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Did God humble Himself per Phil 2 to sinful men and demons or did the man Christ Jesus?
Mark 16:16~"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
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Jesus as the second member of the trinity Humbled Himself
• Jesus was in the form of God. (Philippians 2:6)
• His mind was not set on keeping his power and glory. (Philippians 2:6)
• Instead, he emptied himself. (Philippians 2:7)
• He took the form of a servant focused on others. (Philippians 2:7)
• He became a man, a real human being. (Philippians 2:7, Romans 8:3)
• As a man, he humbled himself and obeyed his Father. (Philippians 2:8)
• His obedience led him to death, and the worst kind of death imaginable. (Philippians 2:8)
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The translator were from all backgrounds and beliefs
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Sounds pretty interesting to me. I found this from "King James Bible Translators". Has everything you could possibly want to know about it.
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I agreed~OT Scribes were not all saved men, their gift was to be a scribe in continuing the written word of God from one generation to the next~the same with our English version being translated into our language. My faith is not in those used to translate the scriptures, my faith is in the Author of the holy scriptures to preserve his own testimony for ever, and he will.
Folks need to do a reading on how the KJV was translated instead of believing what others thinks concerning the possibility of any corruption.
My faith is trusting in God to preserved his word just as he promised to do.
Psalms 12:1-8~"Help, LORD; for the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men. They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak. The LORD shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things: Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us? For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the LORD; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him. The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted."
Quickly~here is a promise of God to keep his word for ever from "this generation" for ever from being corrupted! This generation is referring to the ungodly based on the context in Psalm 12. Even if some are used in being a translator, no problem with God protecting his word from them interjecting their private pet doctrines. It did not happen, to think so, is to not have faith in God protecting his own witness as he promised to do.
By faith I will trust that the word of God is indeed pure as silver tried in a furnace, purified seven times!
Behold
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We know that in that twinkling of an eye, when the Trumpet shall sound, the born again get a brand new body.
It'll be just like the Lords.
There is no verse in any bible or KGk text that supports...>"on my way to heaven i took off my Human resurrected body, and when i come back, i'll put it back on".
Im not inserting anything.
Jesus rose from the Dead, and in a resurrected body.
He ascended back to Heaven, in the same body and was SEEN in it, by those who wrote about it.
You believe He took it off, or dissolved it, or whatever it is you are trying to "opinion".
And that's fine... you are allowed to believe whatever you want to believe, about whatever you want to believe.
Perhaps there is a distinction that should be made between a spirit and a body.
"God is a Spirit"...."Jesus has a Body".... both are Deity.
If they were not in a physical form, then you could not see them.
And in NT verses that teach about them, they are seen.
No verse in any bible teaches that angels have their own power to "shape shift".
He was seen = BODY = HUMAN....just as He was SEEN on the Ground before He started to ascend.
Yes.
Truther
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Praise Jesus. Our KJV is God’s preserved word for the last days.
Doug Brents
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I'm not sure where you got the quote above, but it did not come from me.
He was resurrected in the same body that died three days before.
He was seen rising from the Earth into the clouds, but He was not seen entering Heaven. The body He had in Heaven was described only by John in Revelation, and all the bodies seen in John's vision were Heavenly bodies.
God has a spiritual body, and that is the same kind of body that we will have when we are resurrected. It is the body that will come from the seed of this flesh, but it will be unlike this flesh, for it will be like God's spiritual body.
Where in Scripture does it say that spirits cannot be seen? Spirits are seen all over in Scripture. All of the people seen in Revelation were spirits. God is spirit, yet Moses, Paul, John, and others have seen Him (not His face).
Job 1:14-19 tells of how Satan came and caused all of Job's possessions and children to be lost to him. And angel (Satan or one of his fallen angels, but still an angelic being) came as a fire from heaven and burned up all the sheep and servants, came as a wind and destroyed the house in which the children were having a party. Angels came in the form of men in the fire with Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, and to meet with Abraham several times, and to fight with Jacob.
1 Cor 15:35 and following can correct your thinking if you will allow the Word to educate you. Focus on verse 50, "...flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable." The human body is perishable, so it cannot have gone into Heaven. Only the imperishable spiritual body of Christ went into Heaven.
Behold
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Let me post Paul's verse for you, as its widely known.....
"""""In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.""""""
See that "changed".. that is to = GET A NEW BODY..
Impossible.
As the dead body was not the resurrected body.
He was seen by God and the Heavenly Host.
They saw Him arrive, is His resurrected BODY.
There is no such thing as a "spiritual body"...there is a Spirit and there is the Body.
You are a SPIRIT< who lives in a BODY "that is dead because of sin".
Can you see your spirit?
So, your theology, is bizarre.
Really.
Do you think about what you are saying? and believing?
"God is a Spirit"..>"no man has seen God at any time".
You can start with that, @Doug Brents
And Jesus said.
AKJV
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
LSB
See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”
LEB
Look at my hands and my feet, that I am I myself! Touch me and see, because a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see that I have.”
TLB
Look at my hands! Look at my feet! You can see that it is I, myself! Touch me and make sure that I am not a ghost! For ghosts don’t have bodies, as you see that I do!”
MSG
While they were saying all this, Jesus appeared to them and said, “Peace be with you.” They thought they were seeing a ghost and were scared half to death. He continued with them, “Don’t be upset, and don’t let all these doubting questions take over. Look at my hands; look at my feet—it’s really me. Touch me. Look me over from head to toe. A ghost doesn’t have muscle and bone like this.” As he said this, he showed them his hands and feet. They still couldn’t believe what they were seeing. It was too much; it seemed too good to be true. He asked, “Do you have any food here?” They gave him a piece of leftover fish they had cooked. He took it and ate it right before their eyes.
MEV
See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Feel Me and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”
MOUNCE
Look at · my hands and · my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me and see, for a ghost does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”
NOG
Look at my hands and feet, and see that it’s really me. Touch me, and see for yourselves. Ghosts don’t have flesh and bones, but you can see that I do.”
NABRE
Look at my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me and see, because a ghost does not have flesh and bones as you can see I have.”
NASB
See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, because a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you plainly see that I have.”
NASB1995
See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”
NCB
Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself. Touch me and see. For a ghost does not have flesh and bones as you can see that I have.”
So, Im going to leave you to your rabbit trail, as its enough time spent there with you, @Doug Brents
Doug Brents
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Yes, we get a new body that is like God's spiritual body, not like our old physical body.
Jesus' body, His physical body in which He lived for 33 years, was resurrected just as Lazarus' physical body was resurrected.
He arrived in Heaven in His glorified spiritual body, not in a physical body. A mortal, perishable, physical body cannot inherit the immortal, imperishable, spiritual Heaven.
Yes, God is a spirit, as are the angels, and man has a spirit within our physical body. No one has ever seen God, but people have seen angels, and demons, and other spiritual beings.
None of these translations say that spirits cannot be seen. Spirits do not have flesh and bone, but that doesn't mean that they cannot be seen. Jesus was flesh when He was resurrected (proof that this was His physical body that was resurrected). But the angel in the fire with Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego was a spirit, but everyone saw him in the fire with them.
Truther
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You don't think for yourself?
Believe
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For sure, I'm spiritually minded.
Being spiritually minded means having the mind set on spiritual things, being filled with holy desires and purposes. It involves allowing Christ's word or teaching to saturate, dominate, control, govern, direct, and guide your thoughts, words, emotions, and actions.
Truther
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If you think for yourself and your dabbling with the Bible, why do you say “scholars say“? You do realize that is saying that you don’t know what you’re talking about and you let other people do you’re thinking for you correct?
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Another thing, why do you need eight years of college to read or teach your Bible? It is a first century article written to first century believers. Nobody had a Bible school in the first century. I can teach you the entire Bible on picture charts in 10, one hour lessons. All they are doing is learning commentary and teaching people extra biblical literature along with their slanted view of scripture.
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Not really.
