Made lower than the angels means what ?

[101G]

I think the op question means
the text regarding that is corrupt
and not what God said.

thanks for the reply, but 101G don't believe the text is corrupt, but misunderstood. let me give an example. Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?" Isaiah 53:2 "For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him."

in verse 2 the he is the same one person who is him. it's easy to explain, the ECHAD of God in Ordinal designations as "First" and "Last" in the EQUAL SHARE of his, GOD, own self in flesh.

101G.

 

[101G]

The Sh'ema says otherwise.

Listen, Israel: Yahweh is our Elohim. Yahweh is the only God.
Deuteronomy 6:4 (NOG)

Nowhere in Scripture is this contradicted. YHWH is the only God. We relate to him (singular) as our father. 1 COR 8:6 repeats, there is one God, the father (YHWH).

not so fast. the Sh'ema states our GOD is "ONE" LORD. and the LORD IS the FIRST, and "ALSO" is the Last, which is a Plurality of, of, of, and NOT from "ONE", but of "ONE". so Eve is Correct, God is not unitarian.

101G.

 

[101G]

@Wrangler,
you said, "Nowhere in Scripture is this contradicted. YHWH is the only God. We relate to him (singular) as our father. 1 COR 8:6 repeats, there is one God, the father (YHWH).". ok, your Father is also the redeemer, and Saviour, Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you."

so please tell us when the Father died on the Cross to SAVE US?

101G.

 

[Rockson]

not so fast. the Sh'ema states our GOD is "ONE" LORD. and the LORD IS the FIRST, and "ALSO" is the Last, which is a Plurality of, of, of, and NOT from "ONE", but of "ONE". so Eve is Correct, God is not unitarian.

101G.

A little bit of a different theme but consider that Adam and Eve were considered ONE too.

Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. Gen 2:4

So if they can be considered to be ONE by God who are we to say God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit can't be considered ONE as well.

I've never really had a hard time accepting the Trinity, three but ONE. The very thing that sustains our lives physically is a 3 in 1 reality. H20 water. H20 is ONE, but three different things if you get my meaning. It can be a solid, ice....vapor being steam, or a liquid. So really I just can't see the problem. God is ONE God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

 

[APAK]

not so fast. the Sh'ema states our GOD is "ONE" LORD. and the LORD IS the FIRST, and "ALSO" is the Last, which is a Plurality of, of, of, and NOT from "ONE", but of "ONE". so Eve is Correct, God is not unitarian.

101G.

Hello again it has been quite awhile indeed since I posted to you..years in fact.

On this subject at hand though, can you tell me how you arrive at the LORD is first and is the Last as it apples it to the sh'ema?

It sounds like you are taking liberties and adding some creative devise and superimposing the other expressions for YHWH like 'the alpha and omega' or 'the first and the last'.....both expressions for YHWH as being one and absolute and indivisible, not a plurality.

 

[101G]

To all,
when one truly UNDERSTANDS that God is the EQUAL SHARE of himself in the ECHAD, then one will truly KNOW, and UNDERSTAND the Bible, especially the Godhead.

101G.

A little bit of a different theme but consider that Adam and Eve were considered ONE too.

(smile), understand from the GREEK point of view to understand the Hebrew. listen to what ANOTHER is as "ONE". this is taken from the Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words. ANOTHER: G243 Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort;" G2087 heteros expresses a qualitative difference and denotes "another of a different sort."
question, "Do Eve have the same qualitative, (GENDER as the MALE?). thank you. know the Difference.

now HEBREW, "ONE" or "ANOTHER". is the Lord and the LORD are of the SAME SORT, ... "NATURE, but are a numerical difference? answer YES. B.A.M. there you have it.

101G.

 

[APAK]

God has attributes...
which are living beings.

Can you list these living being attributes of God? thx

 

[101G]

Hello again it has been quite awhile indeed since I posted to you..years in fact.

On this subject at hand though, can you tell me how you arrive at the LORD is first and is the Last as it apples it to the sh'ema?

It sounds like you are taking liberties and adding some creative devise and superimposing the other expressions for YHWH like 'the alpha and omega' or 'the first and the last'.....both expressions for YHWH as being one and absolute and indivisible, not a plurality.

sure, Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" the Hebrew term "ONE". 101G is using the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments.
ONE: H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258

and the Scripture are clear that the "LORD", all cap is the FIRST". Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." so clearly the LORD is the FIRST. and the Scriptures say he is the LAST, as in "WITH" the First..... sound Like two separate persons ..... Right.... WRONG, and here's why. Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last."

and the term ALSO means in ADDITION too. the LORD, all Cap is the FIRST and the LAST, just as the Lord Jesus is the First and the Last the Same ONE PERSON. scripture don't LIE.

101G.

 

[101G]

@APAK,
one must understand the term "WITH" and how it is used concerning the Godhead. as in John 1:1, where "WITH" is used also of the Word "WITH" God, and John 1:1c "and the Word was God". if one can understand the ECHAD of ONE as an Ordinal Designation, then one can understand God as LORD/Father, and God as Lord/Son at the same TIME, PLACE, ORDER, and Rank, just as "Beginning" in Genesis 1:1 states.

101G.

 

[101G]

I've never really had a hard time accepting the Trinity, three but ONE. The very thing that sustains our lives physically is a 3 in 1 reality. H20 water. H20 is ONE, but three different things if you get my meaning. It can be a solid, ice....vapor being steam, or a liquid. So really I just can't see the problem. God is ONE God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

thanks for the reply but the bible dispute this. example who MADE ALL THING? read John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24. and tell me if this is ONE person or two different persons who MADE ALL THINGS?

may God bless.

101G.

 

[101G]

To all,
when one truly UNDERSTANDS that God is the EQUAL SHARE of himself in the ECHAD, then one will truly KNOW, and UNDERSTAND the Bible, especially the Godhead.

the KEY to UNDERSTANDING the Godhead is found in the HEBREW Term "Beginning" in Genesis 1:1

101G.

 

[Anja]

The usual interpretation connects the suffering of death of Jesus with "made lower than the angels", meaning that Jesus was subordinated to the angels for the suffering of death. But His suffering of death should be connected with being crowned, because Jesus was crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of His death. Christ’s exaltation and preëminence over the angels was won through humiliation and death.

 

[101G]

The usual interpretation connects the suffering of death of Jesus with "made lower than the angels", meaning that Jesus was subordinated to the angels for the suffering of death. But His suffering of death should be connected with being crowned, because Jesus was crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of His death. Christ’s exaltation and preëminence over the angels was won through humiliation and death.

Correct, because the Lord Jesus is the ARM of God in flesh, see first Isaiah 63:5 and then Isaiah 53, and for his own Lowering Phil. 2:7 & 8.

101G.

 

[101G]

To all,
101G is asking you all to reconsider what you have been taught. every last one of the denominations of what we call Christianity are in ERROR on the Godhead including the ONENESS also. I speak to the Christian community First. let there be no division among us. we as the People of God supposed to be the LIGHT of the World. but are we? there is more confusion now than back then. we all need to take a good look in the mirror of God's HOLY WORD and examine our OWN selves.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."

101G.

 

[Rockson]

thanks for the reply but the bible dispute this. example who MADE ALL THING? read John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24. and tell me if this is ONE person or two different persons who MADE ALL THINGS?

It can be considered to dispute what I say if you focus only on the Old Testament. Truth was progressive and no new truths was revealed after the New Covenant was established. New truths and insights WERE revealed however with the teachings of Christ and the Apostles.

Now the OT eluded to the Trinity but it wasn't absolutely clear on it. It is in the New Testament.

So if you're going to quote Is 44:23 ,making a case God is not a Trinity for it says he made the heavens alone.....that still works with the revelation that God is a Trinity for he is the ALONE, ONE God. I shared with you there are other 3 in 1 realties which exist even in our natural realm.

 

[101G]

Now the OT eluded to the Trinity but it wasn't absolutely clear on it. It is in the New Testament.

Error, a trinity was never taught by anyone in the OT

So if you're going to quote Is 44:23 ,making a case God is not a Trinity for it says he made the heavens alone.....that still works with the revelation that God is a Trinity for he is the ALONE, ONE God. I shared with you there are other 3 in 1 realties which exist even in our natural realm.

another ERROR, if "ALONE", and "BY HIMSEL", then there is not other Omni-present being.

101G.

 

[101G]

@Rockson,
Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you." who is this here? that came and saved us? be careful how you answer.

101G.

 

[Wrangler]

Elohim is a plural word.

Most words have more than one sense of its meaning. Elohim means heavenly beings, which include angels. So, don't try to play word games when Scripture is explict, there is only one Creator, all mighty god, whose name is YHWH - not Jesus.

 

[Wrangler]

not so fast. the Sh'ema states our GOD is "ONE" LORD.

Not so fast? This is the beginning and end. There is not a 3-in-1 god, only 1 and his name is YHWH (not lord or LORD or Lord).

 

[Wrangler]

so please tell us when the Father died on the Cross to SAVE US?

I never made that claim.

I'm sure you and I have spoken numerous times about Agency in the Bible. We speak this way today. It is said that Hitler killed 4M Jews. In actual reality, he killed no one. But we hold the commander responsible for the actions of those he commands. YHWH commanded Jesus. Jesus confesses that he was sent and told what to say and how to say it. He admits that his words are not his own. As YHWH's agent, he speaks YHWH's words - as all prophets do. Doesn't make them god.

How did God save us? Through his Anointed.