Made lower than the angels means what ?

[Wrangler]

So what's your point in all this? That nobody should use the Name of Jesus? So you don't believe Jesus was God? What's your point?

Yes, Jesus is not God. Believing in the Trinity violates the God of the Bible command to give all glory to YHWH, the 1C, the 2C and denies the total sacrifice our master made for us. A part of Jesus' nature did not die on the cross while another part lived. Who died on the cross was all of Jesus, in every way.

The Bible states explicitly and repeatedly that Jesus is a man - and only a man. Why don't you believe what Scripture says?

16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. (Col. 1:15-17 NKJ)

A bad translation. Consider the NLT
Christ is the visible image of the invisible God.
He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation,[a]
16 for through him God created everything
in the heavenly realms and on earth.
He made the things we can see
and the things we can’t see—
such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world.
Everything was created through him and for him.
17 He existed before anything else,
and he holds all creation together.


An analogy here is that God sees through a peep hole. The peep hole is not God's eye and it is not God. It is through the peep hole that God created. God did the creating and it is through his agent that he choose to create.

The rest of the passage merely implies that Jesus was the 1st thing God created, making him the Son of God. Another valid interpretation is the notion of God's idea of the Messiah is what form the man Jesus took first before the physical universe was created.

 

[Wrangler]

one has to be biased when reading that passage

The trinitarian translator's of KJV are the ones who had the bias.

 

[Diserner]

A bad translation. Consider the NLT
Christ is the visible image of the invisible God.
He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation,[a]
16 for through him God created everything
in the heavenly realms and on earth.
He made the things we can see
and the things we can’t see—
such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world.
Everything was created through him and for him.
17 He existed before anything else,
and he holds all creation together.

Okay. I mean I'm perfectly happy with the Greek.

It says HE MADE THE THINGS, right there in v. 16.

You have a Co-Creator with God Almighty, THAT IS IDOLATRY.

It says everything was CREATED FOR HIM.

You have a Co-Glorified One, THAT IS IDOLATRY.

It says HE HOLDS ALL TOGETHER.

You have a Co-Sustainer, THAT IS IDOLATRY.


No, it's not somehow "okay" to share all of God's worthiness and attributes with a mere created thing.

You won't find that "okay" anywhere in Scripture.


Ask an Orthodox Jew if that's "okay" in the Tanach.

 

[Rockson]

Yes, Jesus is not God. Believing in the Trinity violates the God of the Bible command to give all glory to YHWH,....

With Jesus being YHWH you have NOT violated a command to give all the glory to God.

The Bible states explicitly and repeatedly that Jesus is a man - and only a man.

Yes no one denies Jesus became a man. But the Bible Jesus said himself that he came down from ABOVE. Just a man then? Why don't you acknowledge he was also the Son of God? Jn1:49 (other verses too)

 

[Wrangler]

With Jesus being YHWH

No verse says that but YHWH’s son. Jesus cannot be YHWH since he is the son of YHWH.