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Exactly man doesn't create or destroy we only manipulate the matter that God has created and put at our disposal.
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Made lower than the angels means what ?
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Absolutely. From https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/father
father
1 of 2noun
fa·ther ˈfä-t͟hərplural fathers
Synonyms of father
1
a(1)
: a male parent
(2)
: a man who has begotten a child
also : a male animal who has sired an offspring
b capitalized
(1)
: GOD sense 1
(2)
: the first person of the Trinity (see TRINITY sense 1)
2
: FOREFATHER
the founding fathers
3
a
: one related to another in a way suggesting that of father to child
b
: an old man
—used as a respectful form of address
4
often capitalized : a pre-Scholastic (see SCHOLASTIC sense 1a) Christian writer accepted by the church as an authoritative witness to its teaching and practice
called also church father
5
a
: one that originates or institutes
the father of modern science
b
: SOURCE
… the sun, the father of warmth and light.—Lena M. Whitney
c
: PROTOTYPE
the father of all libraries in the country
6
: a priest of the regular clergy
broadly : PRIEST
—used especially as a title
7
: one of the leading men (as of a city)
—usually used in plural
Wrangler
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Sad attempt at word play. No lexicon limits Father to only be a creator of matter.
And if you don’t think man destroys re-read the story of the fall of man.
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The same goes for creating human beings. Man provides the semen and women provide the eggs but I believe God creates that new life. That's why abortion is so horrific, I think it goes right back to child sacrifice. And abortion is totally unnecessary since we have adoption in place.
What is the importance of procreation according to the Bible? | GotQuestions.org
What is the importance of procreation according to the Bible? Does the Bible say that everyone is supposed to procreate?
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civic
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Scripture concludes it also the Son in John 1, Colossians 1, Hebrews 1, 1Corinthians 8:6 and Revelations 4-5.
hope this helps !!!
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Clue me in what was destroyed by the fall by man a relationship with God? Or was it something material? Are we talking about A cursed environment? Who did that? Had to have been God right?
And of course God is not only a creator of matter. Who said he was? That's a sad attempt at word manipulation. Lexicon... we don't need no stinking lexicon, We have the word of God. Now that was word play from "The Treasure of the Sierra Madre. " Great film!
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Here's the real deal, check this out: The term the fall of man is not even in the Bible.
I quoted the MKJV but here is the KJV which contains the same phrase:
Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
So there you have it in black and white. Jesus is the Son of the Father. Weep and mourn for your misguided Unitarian compatriots. No more rabbit holes to go through. The truth is undeniable and irrefutable.
Jesus' proclamation clearly refutes your heretical idea that He is not the "I Am" of the OT Who existed before Abraham existed.
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The word play of trinitarians is extraordinary. Short hand does not change the full expression it stands in for. Jesus cannot be the son of God and not the son of God.
Because you are quoting whole chapters here instead of verses, I'm not sure precisely what to respond to. However, as it pertains to the claim that Jesus is the 'son of the father' being what he is formally called, different translations will render it different as I already showed.
The one actual verse you cited is the bedrock anti-triniarian verse. 1 COR 8:6 There is one God, the Father, and it does not say anything about the son of the father. Amazing you cited that. Try creating a greater anti-trinitarian verse than that.
Wrangler
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I'm a monotheist Christian but I prefer the terms unitarian to directly oppose trinitarians. The claim that that trinitarians are monotheists is as specious a claim that 3 = 1.
Wrangler
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Repeating a self-deception does not make it true. I showed you the definition. It is a demonstrable fact. You created the post above ...
civic
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And One Lord who created everything with the One God. Only the Lord God is the Creator of all things.
You can’t focus only on the one God and miss Paul’s point about creation. He is calling Jesus equal with God in the passage.
hope this helps !!!
civic
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It’s a common known fact that it means trinitarian in reference to monotheism
Wrangler
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Right. Relying on bad translations to make your point.
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"I am" is a common expression and not a claim of deity. It's absurd on its face.
"I am" is not God's name. In the very next verse Ex 3:15. God explicitly tells us his name is YHWH (not Jesus), to be remembered for all generations.
Trinitarians claim that Jesus - through saying I am - is a claim of deity contradicts Christ himself! @ John 8:54 “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing." Yet, you are taking Jesus words to mean everything, that he is glorifying himself in the highest way possible.
Wrangler
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With all due respect, you are missing the agency of "through" in the verse. If I see through a peep hole, it does not make the peep hole my eye - or me.
You are reading into the verse co-creator while disregarding the point of unitarianism, there is one God, the Father. So simple to understand, even a trinitarian could understand it.
