Jesus denied being God

[Runningman]

I said much more than what you responded. One statement that Jesus was a "man". Doesn't tell everything about Jesus no more than calling you a "man" says everything about you. Why the delusion?

Are you a son or father?

You can't be a son and a father at the same time right? You're worse than any Calvinist I've ever meet.

Let's see. If there was a group of men and God was one of them, could you find who God is by just looking at them?

 

[Runningman]

You avoiding the plain words of Jesus. No need to go anywhere else. Jesus said plainly that He would answer prayer.

Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Like I said before. Even if you believe it is temporary. (Which you've said it was)... then you can't make the argument that

"Jesus never told someone to pray to Him".

We clearly know that you're lying from the words of John 14:13-14.

Like a true deceiver, you refuse to recognize this simple fact.

It speaks to the condition of your evil heart. In works, you deny Jesus Christ.

You are avoid the plain words of Jesus in which he said do not ask him for anything. Also, that he wouldn't ask the Father on their behalf. Where he only ever provided a commandment to pray to the Father. Again... you deny God's Son to his face... your argument is not with me but with Jesus at this point... You are not invited to modify the teachings of Jesus and add extra persons to the list of prayer.

Matthew 6:6,9 is your teaching on Jesus is you're a Christian... if you aren't following this then he is not your Lord.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Let's see... Jesus walked on water and Peter walked on water. (Matthew 14:25, 29)

Peter fell. Jesus didn't. What a silly comparison. Did Jesus fall too?

Like I said. Comparing YOU to what Jesus did really shows how little you are.

Question, can you do greater works than God? Jesus said they can do greater works than him. At heart, you are ultimately a doubter like Thomas. (John 20:27)

Greater works is reaching more........

Did the apostles reach more people than Jesus? They certainly did. You obviously don't understand English. Much less any Biblical language.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Let's see. If there was a group of men and God was one of them, could you find who God is by just looking at them?

I could. Care to guess how?

 

[Runningman]

Peter fell. Jesus didn't. What a silly comparison. Did Jesus fall too?

Like I said. Comparing YOU to what Jesus did really shows how little you are.

But they both walked on water.

Greater works is reaching more........

Did the apostles reach more people than Jesus? They certainly did. You obviously don't understand English. Much less any Biblical language.

And there's a giant list of things that Jesus either did, had, or received later that the regular rank and file Christian will get. Jesus was even resurrected to eternal life just like so many who come after him will be also.

So why did Jesus die if he's more than a man?

 

[praise_yeshua]

But they both walked on water.

Yeah. That is the "connection" you're ignorant self would make. Peter fell. Jesus didn't. Nothing difficult to understand.

And there's a giant list of things that Jesus either did, had, or received later that the regular rank and file Christian will get. Jesus was even resurrected to eternal life just like so many who come after him will be also.

Jesus isn't dead. Jesus had been working. Jesus is doing something right now that YOU CAN'T DO........

So why did Jesus die if he's more than a man?

If there is any question you've asked that reveal just "WHO YOU ARE"... it is this.

The fact that He is more than just a man proves the value of His death.

You haven't died for anyone. Add that to your list.

 

[Runningman]

I could. Care to guess how?

Fine, I'll take the bait... hmmm you would say "my Lord and my God" like Thomas did? What if some fakers came forward as well and they all claimed to be God? What then?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Fine, I'll take the bait... hmmm you would say "my Lord and my God" like Thomas did? What if some fakers came forward as well and they all claimed to be God? What then?

Nope. I could talk to them. Words come from the heart. Mary Magdalene recognized the voice of God.

Joh 10:26 but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep.
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.

Are one of Jesus's sheep? Or are you "father's sheep?"

 

[Runningman]

Nope. I could talk to them. Words come from the heart. Mary Magdalene recognized the voice of God.

Joh 10:26 but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep.
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.

Are one of Jesus's sheep? Or are you "father's sheep?"

Nice sleight of hand.. I asked you how you would know which one God is. I see you wouldn't know. Anyone who is a follower of Jesus would know who he is by the things he says. Do you know Who Jesus got all of his teachings, gospel, and truth from?

 

[TomL]

This passage refers to judgement. You dishonor the Bible be misrepresenting it.

You ignored this

John 5:19–23 (KJV 1900) — 19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. 20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel. 21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. 22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

God wants you to honor the son as you honor him

You do not

Therefore you do not honor the father

 

[TomL]

They've all been debunked.

Um you have to actually provide evidence to debunk something. Bald denials and ignoring context will not do it.

 

[Peterlag]

That's rather funny as it seems you cannot answer the tough question

Whether it is dealing with the pre-existence of Christ, Prayer being offered to him or the fact you are to honor Christ as you honor the father, or you do not honor the Father

You have no tough questions for us who know Jesus is not God. You will not accept our answers and so you respond with whatever we completely answer you with many times with one word when you say... Wrong or False or something like you have not read the Bible. Then later you say we did not answer you or we can't answer.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Nice sleight of hand.. I asked you how you would know which one God is. I see you wouldn't know. Anyone who is a follower of Jesus would know who he is by the things he says. Do you know Who Jesus got all of his teachings, gospel, and truth from?

I referenced how God's children know God. It is only through God. We know God by what He says.

If Jesus got all His teachings from the Father, then Jesus is God.

 

[TomL]

You have no tough questions for us who know Jesus is not God. You will not accept our answers and so you respond with whatever we completely answer you with many times with one word when you say... Wrong or False or something like you have not read the Bible. Then later you say we did not answer you or we can't answer.

Tell then why are you unable to address Phil 2:5ff and rebut the fact it shows a personal pre-existent Christ

or the fact that the bible shows nothing was made without Christ so it is not possible he was a created creature

 

[synergy]

Let's see... Jesus walked on water and Peter walked on water. (Matthew 14:25, 29)

Jesus and the other men were given authority to forgive sins. (Matthew 9:6-8)

Jesus told someone who was lame and crippled to walk, they walked, and Peter did the same thing. (John 5:8, Acts 3:6)

Jesus controlled the weather and Elijah controlled the weather. (Mark 4:39, 1 Kings 17:1)

Jesus resurrected someone, Peter and Paul, and the disciples did too. (John 11:43,44, Acts 9:40, Acts 20:10)

Jesus said they would do greater works than him. (John 14:12)

Question, can you do greater works than God? Jesus said they can do greater works than him. At heart, you are ultimately a doubter like Thomas. (John 20:27)

Let's see... Jesus was born of a Virgin. Nobody else was born of a Virgin.

Jesus can see the Father. Nobody else can see the Father.

Jesus poured out the Holy Spirit. Nobody else poured out the Holy Spirit.

Jesus sits on the Father's Throne. Nobody else sits on the Father's Throne with the Father and the Son.

Etc.....

 

[praise_yeshua]

Let's see... Jesus was born of a Virgin. Nobody else was born of a Virgin.

Jesus can see the Father. Nobody else can see the Father.

Jesus poured out the Holy Spirit. Nobody else poured out the Holy Spirit.

Jesus sits on the Father's Throne. Nobody else sits on the Father's Throne with the Father and the Son.

Etc.....

Looks like Jesus wants people to "search and find Him"..... To "learn of Him"....

These "unitarians" don't want anything much to do with Jesus at all. That should tell the "story".

Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

 

[synergy]

Looks like Jesus wants people to "search and find Him"..... To "learn of Him"....

These "unitarians" don't want anything much to do with Jesus at all. That should tell the "story".

Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

The list I created was just a quick list I put together off the top of my head. Give me an hour or two and I can increase that list many times over.

I can dare say that full blown Unitarian Judaizers do not have Christ because after all they believe that he's just a man. And how can a man dwell in someone else's heart?

 

[praise_yeshua]

The list I created was just a quick list I put together off the top of my head. Give me an hour or two and I can increase that list many times over.

I can dare say that full blown Unitarian Judaizers do not have Christ because after all they believe that he's just a man. And how can a man dwell in someone else's heart?

Amen.

I can imagine the Father listening to someone trying to rank Jesus less than Himself.......

Such thoughts make this issue very real to me....... It so very dangerous for these people to say such things as they do about Jesus Christ. It really comes down to a battle of the mind between good and evil.

Satan tries to remove any context of Jesus Christ from Righteousness.

 

[TomL]

Let's see... Jesus was born of a Virgin. Nobody else was born of a Virgin.

Jesus can see the Father. Nobody else can see the Father.

Jesus poured out the Holy Spirit. Nobody else poured out the Holy Spirit.

Jesus sits on the Father's Throne. Nobody else sits on the Father's Throne with the Father and the Son.

Etc.....

Yes

He made everything that was made - no one else did

He does all the things the Father does - no one else does

He sustains all with the word of his power - no one else does

He is he who searches the hearts and the reins - no one else is

 

[TomL]

The list I created was just a quick list I put together off the top of my head. Give me an hour or two and I can increase that list many times over.

I can dare say that full blown Unitarian Judaizers do not have Christ because after all they believe that he's just a man. And how can a man dwell in someone else's heart?

I have to agree

They do not honor the son as they honor the Father therefore they do not honor the Father