Runningman
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Calling Jesus a man with no further word, comment, or precedent leaves the reader believing he's just a man. Why do you not believe? Why do you add "he's god" to it?
Jesus denied being God
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civic
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Looking forward to it
praise_yeshua
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Nothing is stopping you. Start now... It must really be difficult.....
Runningman
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Open a thread on that. I know how to debunk it.I'd like to see that too.
Haven't all the Unitarians here recently said they don't want to argue about the Hypostatic Union?
I know they don't. They don't know the teaching at all.
Runningman
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Keep up! I said I will do that after I am done with my current two threads.
praise_yeshua
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Just an FYI....
All languages change words. You don't understand "Latinization".........get it "Latinization".....
praise_yeshua
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By all means, lead with your debunk. I'm not helping you by establishing the foundation for you.
praise_yeshua
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Do it now. Show you're depth of knowledge. Make your first argument from memory. Don't run to Google's "AI" to get a thread going.
Runningman
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You brought it up. Why are you running away? Good, don't open a thread on the hypostatic union then. It's better to not even mention it because it's false anyway.
praise_yeshua
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Are you mentioning anything you believe is false?
Just more and more proof from you that you're a novice.
I mean seriously...... This is ridiculous. Lets keep dealing with the "Romanization". You claim. Where did the English word "Romanization" come from?
You do realize that English is a "moving target"? Right?
Novices think and act just like you do. You believe everything revolves around YOUR experiences. They don't. All of this goes back to times far removed from our own current experiences.
Runningman
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Bickering... school yard taunts... nothing important here. Let me know when you actually want to deal with the Scripture.
praise_yeshua
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I'm battling "school yard claims". "I'm taunting" to "put up or admit you're making false claims".
An adult can actually easily deal with such claims. Just prove yourself. You can't. Call it a "taunt" or whatever you want to call it. Nothing distracts from the fact you can't do what you're claiming you can do.
At times, English is an horrible language......
Let an English speaker "name/coin" a phrase/word and they think they own it. They don't. Just more ego from human beings.
But there are many words added to that in the bible
Has an ordinary man created all that has been made?
Runningman
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You're battling scripture... the truth of Scripture is not in you. His word is not in you. Here you are, claiming to pray to Jesus, he's God, etc. None of that is in the Bible.
Runningman
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JTB taught the Lamb of God is a man... there is no word to the contrary in Scripture.
John 1
29The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! 30This is he of whom I said, ‘After me comes a man who ranks before me, because he was before me.’
praise_yeshua
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You asked for Scriptures. I gave it. You're ignoring them.
Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
Even if you claim that this was temporary, it still happened. Don't ignore the obvious.
If you know Greek and study the manuscripts, you'll know παρακαλέω is "PRAYER"....
Mar 5:23 And παρακαλέω him greatly, saying, My little daughter lieth at the point of death: I pray thee, come and lay thy hands on her, that she may be healed; and she shall live.
praise_yeshua
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Are you a son? Where is your father?
Ignoring language like you do, you'd make such silly arguments as this. You don't even understand English much less any Biblical language.
You're a man.
You're a son.
You're might be a father.
You're a novice.
You're a mocker.
All of these are true of you. Just because Jesus was referenced as a "man" doesn't mean that Jesus was solely a man.
This argument you're making is so ignorant and childish.
praise_yeshua
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Mat 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Mat 22:45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
Kurios for both Lords in this Scripture.
You're still ignoring this and making evil false claims. Your works are evil.
The Christians sitting on Jesus' Throne are not God. What is there not to understand?
Huh? Christians, who are not God, do overcome evil by the power of God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit).
Trinitarians believe those Trinitarian verses.
I've responded to your logic, now respond to this logic:
- Those who sit on the Father's Throne are receiving worship which means they must be God.
- Rev 3:21 has Jesus sitting on the Father's Throne.
- If Jesus is not God then those who are giving worship to the Throne, where Jesus sits, are then guilty of idolizing Jesus.
Peterlag
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I don't make any mistakes concerning the trinity. I know Jesus is not God and I post a whole bunch of data about it that I know about from folks all over the Internet. That somehow means according to you that I have not vetted something. Here's more. Find something wrong with the data and not the messenger...
The Old Testament prophecies about the coming Messiah foretold that he would be a human being who would be the offspring of Eve (Genesis 3:15); a descendant of Abraham (Genesis 12:3; 18:18; 22:18); a descendant of Judah (Genesis 49:10; a prophet like Moses (Deuteronomy 18:15); a son of David (2 Samuel 7:12-13; Isaiah 11:1); a king ruling under Yahweh (Psalm 110:1); and a ruler from among the people of Israel (Jeremiah30:21). That explains why the people were all expecting a human Messiah. Psalm 110:1 merits special attention because it's especially clear but has been misunderstood and misrepresented by most English versions that read “The LORD says to my Lord….” The word “LORD” is Yahweh, but many Trinitarian commentators argue that “my Lord” in this verse is the Hebrew word "adonai" that is another name for God, and that would provide proof of the divinity of the Messiah. But the Hebrew text does not use "adonai" but rather "adoni" which is always used in Scripture to describe human masters and lords, but never God.
The Old Testament refers to the Messiah as “one like a son of man” and the phrase “son of man” was a Semitic idiom for a human being and it's used that way throughout the Old Testament. The phrase “son of man” also became a title of the Messiah when Daniel referred to him as “one like a son of man” (Daniel 7:13) and that explains why Jesus called himself “the son of man” many times. The use of the “son of man” in reference to the Messiah is one more piece of evidence that Jesus was fully human and one more reason that people were expecting the Messiah to be human. The New Testament teaches Jesus was a man and Jesus himself said he was “a man who has told you the truth” John 8:40. Jesus was not being disingenuous and hiding his “divine nature” but rather was making a factual statement that reinforced what the Jews were expecting of the Messiah—that he would be a fully human man.
The apostles also taught Jesus was a man and we see this when the Apostle Peter spoke in his sermon to the crowds gathered on the Day of Pentecost making a very clear declaration that Jesus was a man approved of God: “Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you…” (Acts 2:22). Here Peter clearly taught that Jesus was a man and that God did miracles “by him.” Paul also taught Jesus was a man and we can see that when he was in Athens teaching a crowd of unsaved Gentiles about Jesus Christ and said that God would judge the world “by the man whom He has appointed” (Acts 17:31). Paul never said or implied that Jesus was anything but a “man.”
