Jesus denied being God

You have no answers

If you read and responded to what I stated why do you ask where does Jesus say I am he

Scripture states men saw God. It is talking about a physical manifestation (see the verses where men saw God)
It does not say the saw holiness and righteousness


John 5:37
And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form,

this speaks of physical realities

Do you disagree?

John 6:46
No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.

Only the one who is from the father saw God

Do you disagree


yet it is stated men saw God

Genesis 32:30 (KJV 1900) — 30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

Seen God face to face

physical claim

Do you disagree

Judges 13:22 (KJV 1900) — 22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.


Exodus 24:9–11 (KJV 1900) — 9 Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel: 10 And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. 11 And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

Who did they see if they had not seen the father

Still no answer

John 1:18 (UASV) — 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, that one has made him fully known.

They saw the pre-incarnate Christ

No answer to this argument


In the Old Testament, Jehovah stated he is the one who searches the heart and examines the kidneys

(NWT) Jer 17:10 I, Jehovah, am searching the heart, examining the kidneys, even to give to each one according to his ways, according to the fruitage of his dealings.

Christ says I am he who searches the heart and the kidneys (reins)

Revelation 2:23 (KJV 1900) — 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

hello

Do you seriously want the readers to believe you do not see where Jesus says i am he


Why does Jesus state "I am he"?

Do you doubt Jesus is speaking?


Revelation 2:18–22 (KJV 1900) — 18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. 20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

If not why does Jesus identify himself with the one in the Old Testament who searches the heart and the kidney?

Unitarianism and this running man still has no answer
It's hard to believe how some will deny Jesus words you quoted and basically call Him a liar regarding seeing God the Father or hearing His voice in the Old Testament.

That's their dilemma they find themselves in when they deny the Son- they by osmosis are also denying the Father.

One is left with the Son as the solution to being God and hearing God in the O.T.

This solves the puzzle. :)
 
It's hard to believe how some will deny Jesus words you quoted and basically call Him a liar regarding seeing God the Father or hearing His voice in the Old Testament.

That's their dilemma they find themselves in when they deny the Son- they by osmosis are also denying the Father.

One is left with the Son as the solution to being God and hearing God in the O.T.

This solves the puzzle. :)
Christ clearly identifies himself with Jehovah
 
You have no answers

If you read and responded to what I stated why do you ask where does Jesus say I am he

Scripture states men saw God. It is talking about a physical manifestation (see the verses where men saw God)
It does not say the saw holiness and righteousness


John 5:37
And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form,

this speaks of physical realities

Do you disagree?

John 6:46
No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.

Only the one who is from the father saw God

Do you disagree


yet it is stated men saw God

Genesis 32:30 (KJV 1900) — 30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

Seen God face to face

physical claim

Do you disagree

Judges 13:22 (KJV 1900) — 22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.


Exodus 24:9–11 (KJV 1900) — 9 Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel: 10 And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. 11 And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

Who did they see if they had not seen the father

Still no answer

John 1:18 (UASV) — 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, that one has made him fully known.

They saw the pre-incarnate Christ

No answer to this argument


In the Old Testament, Jehovah stated he is the one who searches the heart and examines the kidneys

(NWT) Jer 17:10 I, Jehovah, am searching the heart, examining the kidneys, even to give to each one according to his ways, according to the fruitage of his dealings.

Christ says I am he who searches the heart and the kidneys (reins)

Revelation 2:23 (KJV 1900) — 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

hello

Do you seriously want the readers to believe you do not see where Jesus says i am he


Why does Jesus state "I am he"?

Do you doubt Jesus is speaking?


Revelation 2:18–22 (KJV 1900) — 18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. 20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

If not why does Jesus identify himself with the one in the Old Testament who searches the heart and the kidney?

Unitarianism and this running man still has no answer
In John 5:37, the form of God refers to the outward appearance of God, not the literal physical shape. We already know from a multitude of Scripture that God is invisible. Just how Jesus was in the form of God in Philippians 2:6, it's referring to the outward display of holiness, righteousness, etc.

YHWH searched the hearts and reigns in the Old Testament and does in the New Testament as well.

Where did Jesus state "i am he" and in what context?

I already answered the question about Revelation 2:23 in post #1655. I also already addressed your question about John 5:37 in post #1645.

Your claims are directly refuted by the Scriptural context of the letters to the churches. Begin with Revelation 1 where Jesus get the Revelations from.

Revelation 1
1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

Everything that was written to the 7 churches was from God and given to them as testimony and witness from what Jesus heard from God. John wrote it down and gave it to them. Jesus repeated what God told him to say.

So are you going to actually answer the replies I have already been giving you?
 
Why do you say I blindly accept the works of others when I quote others. Are we supposed to not look at any other biblical writings? Only our own thinking. You talk foolish.

Yeah. Like manuscripts? I did mention them right?

You haven't vetted the words you reference yourself. This isn't complicated to understand. You have "greasy pig" problems. No matter how many mistakes you make, it is always someone else that is the problem.
 
Sorry the last thing you offer is critical thinking. You ignore context and exegesis and offer little more than bald denial
You quote verses, but don't understand any of it. You're the one who thinks the incomprehensible mystery of the Trinity is actually scipture. Where is your Trinity in the Bible? No where. Even when the Bible says "God" if you replace it with "Trinity" it doesn't make any sense. You refuse to believe the Father is the only true God. It's completely unChristian.
 
You quote verses, but don't understand any of it. You're the one who thinks the incomprehensible mystery of the Trinity is actually scipture. Where is your Trinity in the Bible? No where. Even when the Bible says "God" if you replace it with "Trinity" it doesn't make any sense. You refuse to believe the Father is the only true God. It's completely unChristian.
nope the Son is also called the True God in 1 John 5:20. You make claims that are only 1/2 truths. The complete truth is both the Father and the Son are called the True God. :) That the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me God. :)

hope this helps !!!
 
You quote verses, but don't understand any of it. You're the one who thinks the incomprehensible mystery of the Trinity is actually scipture. Where is your Trinity in the Bible? No where. Even when the Bible says "God" if you replace it with "Trinity" it doesn't make any sense. You refuse to believe the Father is the only true God. It's completely unChristian.

How can you use the word "Christian"?

1Co 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
1Co 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
1Co 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

1Co 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Christ is the only foundation.

If what you say is true, then it wouldn't be an issue for others to call themselves after Paul or Apollos. In fact, that is what people do very often today. They call themselves after "other men".
 
It's hard to believe how some will deny Jesus words you quoted and basically call Him a liar regarding seeing God the Father or hearing His voice in the Old Testament.

That's their dilemma they find themselves in when they deny the Son- they by osmosis are also denying the Father.

One is left with the Son as the solution to being God and hearing God in the O.T.

This solves the puzzle. :)

Trolls.....
 
In John 5:37, the form of God refers to the outward appearance of God, not the literal physical shape. We already know from a multitude of Scripture that God is invisible. Just how Jesus was in the form of God in Philippians 2:6, it's referring to the outward display of holiness, righteousness, etc.


John 5:37
states both

John 5:37
And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form,
never heard or seen his outward form

yet the scripture I posted show men did claim to see the outward form of God

and men are stated to have heard his voice and identified the one they saw as God


So who did they see?

I have yet to see you address this


YHWH searched the hearts and reigns in the Old Testament and does in the New Testament as well.

Where did Jesus state "i am he" and in what context?

You are just repeating yourself ignoring what i posted

If you read and responded to what I stated why do you ask where does Jesus say I am he

Scripture states men saw God. It is talking about a physical manifestation (see the verses where men saw God)
It does not say the saw holiness and righteousness


John 5:37
And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form,

this speaks of physical realities

Do you disagree?

John 6:46
No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.

Only the one who is from the father saw God

Do you disagree


yet it is stated men saw God

Genesis 32:30 (KJV 1900) — 30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

Seen God face to face

physical claim

Do you disagree

Judges 13:22 (KJV 1900) — 22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.


Exodus 24:9–11 (KJV 1900) — 9 Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel: 10 And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. 11 And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

Who did they see if they had not seen the father

Still no answer

John 1:18 (UASV) — 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, that one has made him fully known.

They saw the pre-incarnate Christ

No answer to this argument


In the Old Testament, Jehovah stated he is the one who searches the heart and examines the kidneys

(NWT) Jer 17:10 I, Jehovah, am searching the heart, examining the kidneys, even to give to each one according to his ways, according to the fruitage of his dealings.

Christ says I am he who searches the heart and the kidneys (reins)

Revelation 2:23 (KJV 1900) — 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

hello

Do you seriously want the readers to believe you do not see where Jesus says i am he


Why does Jesus state "I am he"?

Do you doubt Jesus is speaking?


Revelation 2:18–22 (KJV 1900) — 18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. 20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

If not why does Jesus identify himself with the one in the Old Testament who searches the heart and the kidney?

Unitarianism and this running man still has no answer




I already answered the question about Revelation 2:23 in post #1655. I also already addressed your question about John 5:37 in post #1645.

Sorry you can't answer it if you ask where does Jesus sayi am he

You are stonewalling and dodging
 
Trolls.....
or being deceived and not knowing they are really blinded to the truth by the god of this world who has veiled the real Jesus from them.

2 Cor 4
Therefore, since through God’s mercy we have this ministry, we do not lose heart. 2 Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to everyone’s conscience in the sight of God. 3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
 
You took the low ground and attacked me as a person rather than any of my arguments. You lost publicly. You couldn't defend your religion against Scripture.

I rightfully recognized you're a novice. You use childish arguments while denying the obvious. That is what children do. I also rightfully recognize the silly mistakes concerning the facts of reality you're ignoring.

Like there isn't a "Roman" language........

Children don't acknowledge their mistakes. When are you at least going to recognize this mistake of fact?

You are your problem. I can't avoid your problem. It is all about YOU.
 
nope the Son is also called the True God in 1 John 5:20. You make claims that are only 1/2 truths. The complete truth is both the Father and the Son are called the True God. :) That the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me God. :)

hope this helps !!!
The Son of God is the Son of the Father.

2 John 1
3Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Father’s Son, will be with us in truth and love.

In all Scriptural precedent, the true God is the Father: Jeremiah 10:10, John 17:3, 1 Thess. 1:9,10

In all Scriptural precedent, the only God is the Father: Malachi 2:10, John 17:3, Ephesians 4:6, 1 Corinthians 8:6

Therefore, in 1 John 5:20, when it refers to "the true God" it refers to the only God mentioned in the verse, which would be the God Jesus is the Son of, the Father. The Father is the True God. It's a Unitarian verse.
 
The Son of God is the Son of the Father.

2 John 1
3Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Father’s Son, will be with us in truth and love.

In all Scriptural precedent, the true God is the Father: Jeremiah 10:10, John 17:3, 1 Thess. 1:9,10

In all Scriptural precedent, the only God is the Father: Malachi 2:10, John 17:3, Ephesians 4:6, 1 Corinthians 8:6

Therefore, in 1 John 5:20, when it refers to "the true God" it refers to the only God mentioned in the verse, which would be the God Jesus is the Son of, the Father. The Father is the True God. It's a Unitarian verse.
Jesus is eternal life, He is life. We see this over and over again in the Apostle Johns writings. In Him was LIFE and that LIFE was the light of man. Life of the world, the Bread of LIFE,My words are spirit and they are LIFE, I AM the way,the truth and the LIFE,The LIFE was manifested and we proclaim to you the ETERNAL Life which was with the Father, and was manifested to us- The Prologue of 1st John. So we see that when John uses the phrase True God and Eternal Life together in 1 John 5:20 that He is referring to Christ as the closest antecedent making Him the True God and Eternal Life.

Also we see that when we search the GNT that Eternal Life is never used of the Father without the Son but we see that Eternal Life is used over and over with Jesus where the Father is never mentioned. This makes a solid case for Jesus in 1 John 5:20 as the True God and Eternal Life.

1 John 5:20
20 We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true — even in his Son Jesus Christ. He(Jesus) is the true God and eternal life.

On behalf of seeing χριστος as the antecedent are the following arguments: (1) Although it is true that αληθινος θεος is not elsewhere referred to Christ, αληθεια is, and is so in Johannine literature (John 14:6).

29 Winer-Moulton, 195.
Further, αληθινος θεος is not a "constant.. epithet" as Winer supposes, being found only in John 17:3 and 1 John 5:20! (2) Christ is also said to be ζωη in John's writings John 11:25; 14:6; 1 John 1:1-2), an epithet nowhere else used of the Father. (3) The demonstrative pronoun, ουτος, in the Gospel and Epistles of John seems to be used in a theologically rich manner.30 Specifically, of the approximately seventy instances in which ουτος has a personal referent, as many as forty- four of them (almost two-thirds of the instances) refer to the Son. Of the remainder, most imply some sort of positive connection with the Son.31 What is most significant is that never is the Father the referent.For what it is worth, this datum increases the probability that ιησου χριστω is the antecedent in 1 John 5:20. 32 The issue cannot be decided on grammar alone. But suffice it to say here that there are no grammatical reasons for denying that αληθινος θεος is descriptive of Jesus Christ.


1st- Jesus is called God in the writings of John(1:1,20:28,1 John 5:20)

2nd- Jesus is called Eternal Life over and over again in Johns writings

3rd- John opens up his epistle with the Eternal life(Jesus) that was with the Father in the beginning and was manifest to the disciples(1 John 1:1-5)

4th- John ends his epistle with Jesus who is eternal life and only is eternal life found in Him who is the true God.

5th- never is eternal life used of the Father alone. When the Father is included the Son is always mentioned together with the Father making them equal. Equality with the Father was not something Jesus needed to grasp at as He already possessed complete Deity as God.(Phil 2, Col 2:9)

6th- John would not leave his readers with any ambiguity warning them to guard themselves from idols(5:21) So this would be clear his reference was to those who reject Jesus as the true God. They are the idoloters and antichrists John writes of in his epistles.

7th- [In John's writings] Of the approximately 70 instances in which ουτος has a personal referent, as many as 44 of them (almost 2/3 . . . ) refer to the Son. Of the remainder, most imply some sort of positive connection with the Son.31 What is most significant is that NEVER is the Father the referent.FWIW, this datum increases the probability that ιησου χριστω IS the antecedent in 1 John 5:20. Wallace.

So the most logical conclusion is that it refers to Jesus as the true God. Not only is this Wallace's conclusion from Johns usage of outos but He is the closest antecedent (most times in the GNT this principal holds true). Eternal Life is never used of the Father alone in John’s writings and only a couple of times does John include the Father with the Son regarding eternal life. John opens up his epistles describing the "eternal life" who was with the Father in the beginning and then ends his epistle with eternal life identifying Jesus as the true God and eternal life. John then says this in the last verse:

1 John 5:21-Guard yourselves from idols

Now why would he leave any ambiguity in verse 20 as to the identity of the true God and eternal life then turn around commanding them to protect themselves from idolatry ? It make absolutely no sense whatsoever unless John is identifying Jesus as the true God and refuting the Gnostics of his day who denied the Incarnation.


More evidence from Scripture that Jesus is life, the source of that life and eternal life itself. Apart from Him there is no life. This cannot be said of a mere man now can it ?

John 1:4
4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.

John 5:39-40
39 You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about Me, 40 yet you refuse to come to Me to have life.

John 6:33
For the bread of God is He which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

John 6:35
35 And Jesus said unto them, I Am the bread of life:

John 6:47
47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on Me hath everlasting life.

John 6:51
51 I Am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

John 6:53
53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

John 6:63
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

John 10:10
10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

John 11:25-26
25 Jesus said to her, "I Am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, 26 and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?"

John 14:6
6 Jesus said to him, "I Am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

John 20:30-31
30 Therefore many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.

1 John 1:1-2
1 What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the Word of Life — 2 and the life was manifested, and we have seen and testify and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us

1 John 5:12-13
12 He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

1 John 5:20
20 We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in Him who is true — even in His Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life


And Jesus said no one knows the Father but through the Son. They are One in nature,essence or being. You cannot have One without the Other. This can be said of no man unless that man is also God in the flesh which Jesus is indeed !

hope this helps !!!
 
How did you gain such a position as you're claiming?
Scripture.

Revelation 3
21To the one who overcomes, I will grant the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

Romans 8
17Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

1 Cor. 6
2Or do you not know that the Lord’s people will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?

2 Timothy 2
12If we endure hardship, we will reign with him...
 
The Son of God is the Son of the Father.

2 John 1
3Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Father’s Son, will be with us in truth and love.

In all Scriptural precedent, the true God is the Father: Jeremiah 10:10, John 17:3, 1 Thess. 1:9,10

In all Scriptural precedent, the only God is the Father: Malachi 2:10, John 17:3, Ephesians 4:6, 1 Corinthians 8:6

Therefore, in 1 John 5:20, when it refers to "the true God" it refers to the only God mentioned in the verse, which would be the God Jesus is the Son of, the Father. The Father is the True God. It's a Unitarian verse.

Mar 5:23 And besought him greatly, saying, My little daughter lieth at the point of death: I pray thee, come and lay thy hands on her, that she may be healed; and she shall live.

You need to study manuscripts. Novices don't vet anything.
 
How can you use the word "Christian"?

1Co 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
1Co 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
1Co 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

1Co 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Christ is the only foundation.

If what you say is true, then it wouldn't be an issue for others to call themselves after Paul or Apollos. In fact, that is what people do very often today. They call themselves after "other men".
Christians follow what Jesus taught. He never taught anything about believing he is God or praying to him or worshipping him.

Do you know who Jesus taught to pray to, who to worship, and who to believe God is? If you do anything at all, do yourself a favor and actually read his teachings. You are being deceived by the Christ deniers.
 
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