Jesus denied being God

[Runningman]

No I did not. I said Jesus sat in his Father's Throne, not you or me. As such Jesus is worshipped as much as his Father, not that we are worshipped. You are just b*tt sore that your unitarianism has just been nailed to the wall.

Exactly!

Often people accuse others of what they are themselves doing. In this case, I believe you are indeed describing yourself... notice how Jesus didn't describe the Father's throne as his own throne... notice how his throne is the one those who over come sit on.

Why do you not believe in sitting on the same throne as Jesus while still not being God? You don't believe in reigning with Jesus? Too much to take in?

 

[synergy]

Often people accuse others of what they are themselves doing. In this case, I believe you are indeed describing yourself... notice how Jesus didn't describe the Father's throne as his own throne...

It's his Father's Throne but the Rev 3:21 verse proves that Jesus sits in that Throne. Worship is directed to that Throne and received by those who sits there: the Father and Jesus.

notice how his throne is the one those who over come sit on.

No kidding. Tell us something we don't know.

Why do you not believe in sitting on the same throne as Jesus while still not being God? You don't believe in reigning with Jesus? Too much to take in?

We will reign with him in his Throne but there is another Throne which is the Father's Throne. It's at that Throne where the Father is worshipped and since Christ sits there then he is the recipient of worship also. Christ is therefore our Lord and God.

Again, thanks for bringing forward that Trinitarian verse. Keep them coming!

 

[Runningman]

It's his Father's Throne but the Rev 3:21 verse proves that Jesus sits in that Throne.

No kidding. Tell us something we don't know.

We will reign with him in his Throne but there is another Throne which is the Father's Throne. It's at that Throne where the Father is worshipped and since Christ sits there also then he is worshipped also. Christ is therefore our Lord and God.

Again, thanks for bringing forward that Trinitarian verse. Keep them coming!

Keep the Unitarian verses coming... you have just taken your man god philosophy too far again. In essence, you have the whole family sitting on the same throne as God. In that case, they are all God. You can't escape the horrible dead end your theology leads to. Revelation 5, Revelation 7, etc. Both describe only God being worshipped, not the Lamb. Unitarianism 1, Trinitarianism 0

 

[synergy]

Keep the Unitarian verses coming... you have just taken your man god philosophy too far again. In essence, you have the whole family sitting on the same throne as God.

False. The whole family is NOT sitting on the Father's Throne. Only the Father and Jesus are on the Father's Throne. Rev 3:21 proves that. All you can do is issue out falsehoods to save face.

In that case, they are all God. You can't escape the horrible dead end your theology leads to. Revelation 5, Revelation 7, etc. Both describe only God being worshipped, not the Lamb. Unitarianism 1, Trinitarianism 0

Unitarians can win only with falsehoods.
You're winning 1-0 in falsehoods.

 

[praise_yeshua]

To those who overcome, which would include me, yes. Of course. It's Scripture. Why do you not believe?

I don't believe your silly claim that we are all going to "be Gods" if we believe we are going to "sit with Him".

Why are you going to sit with Jesus?

Let keep up this line of questioning. Lets see if you can figure out the issue. This is a logical test of your theology that google will not help you with.

 

[synergy]

I don't believe your silly claim that we are all going to "be Gods" if we believe we are going to "sit with Him".

Why are you going to sit with Jesus?

Let keep up this line of questioning. Lets see if you can figure out the issue. This is a logical test of your theology that google will not help you with.

@Runningman keeps embarrassing himself with his unwarranted falsehoods. It's typical of unitarians to resort to falsehoods in order to save face, not realizing that by doing so they end up losing whatever meager credibility they had.

 

[Runningman]

False. The whole family is NOT sitting on the Father's Throne. Only the Father and Jesus are on the Father's Throne. Rev 3:21 proves that. All you can do is issue out falsehoods to save face.

Unitarians can win only with falsehoods.
You're winning 1-0 in falsehoods.

Let's examine your logic then since you can't be reached with Scripture...

According to you, Jesus sitting on the Father's throne means he's God. Christians sitting on Jesus' throne means they are not God. So Jesus' throne isn't Jesus' throne. Therefore Jesus' throne isn't God's throne. It's bad logic my friend sinergy.

 

[Runningman]

I don't believe your silly claim that we are all going to "be Gods" if we believe we are going to "sit with Him".

Why are you going to sit with Jesus?

Let keep up this line of questioning. Lets see if you can figure out the issue. This is a logical test of your theology that google will not help you with.

That's my point actually. We will not be "Gods" because Jesus isn't God. You're close.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Let's examine your logic then since you can't be reached with Scripture...

According to you, Jesus sitting on the Father's throne means he's God. Christians sitting on Jesus' throne means they are not God. So Jesus' throne isn't Jesus' throne. Therefore Jesus' throne isn't God's throne. It's bad logic my friend sinergy.

Repeating yourself is rather childish. Everyone understands your false claims. You actually believe that repeating them is progressing the argument you're making. We all can clearly see that you're repeating yourself. Repeating yourself is evidence of delusion on your part. Not anyone else. We all understood your false claims the first time you made them.

 

[praise_yeshua]

That's my point actually. We will not be "Gods" because Jesus isn't God. You're close.

I asked you a question... pay attention.

Why are you going to sit with Jesus?

 

[civic]

Thank you for praying for me though your prayer will not be answered in accordance with me becoming a Trinitarian. Nevertheless, I have no doubt God will hear you. God bless.

So if you found out you were wrong you would be unwilling to change ?

 

[synergy]

Let's examine your logic then since you can't be reached with Scripture...

According to you, Jesus sitting on the Father's throne means he's God.

We can agree that the Father is God. Worship is directed to that Throne where both the Father and Jesus are sitting. That proves Jesus is God.

Christians sitting on Jesus' throne means they are not God.

We can agree that Christians are not God. As for Jesus, he can sit wherever he wants. That fact does not diminish him as God.

So Jesus' throne isn't Jesus' throne.

Huh? You just violated a fundamental rules of logic. Who taught you to violate logic that way??? With that everything else comes crashing down.

Therefore Jesus' throne isn't God's throne. It's bad logic my friend sinergy.

 

[TomL]

Jesus being sent doesn't add anything relevant to the point that Jesus is the name of a human who didn't exist until after he was born.

Scripture says the name Jesus was the one given to him. So there is no such thing as a pre-existent person named Jesus in Scripture. Hence the scholarly community stands in opposition to the bad translation of Jude 5

Luke 2 (ESV)
21And at the end of eight days, when he was circumcised, he was called Jesus, the name given by the angel before he was conceived in the womb.

None of those verses in the Old Testament are about Jesus saying or doing anything. He didn't pre-exist in Scripture. You've been deceived dear Tom.

You ignored scripture

John 5:37
And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form,

John 6:46
No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.

yet it stated men saw God



Genesis 32:30 (KJV 1900) — 30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.



Judges 13:22 (KJV 1900) — 22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.



Exodus 24:9–11 (KJV 1900) — 9 Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel: 10 And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. 11 And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

Who did they see if they had not seen the father

John 1:18 (UASV) — 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, that one has made him fully known.

They saw the pre-incarnate Christ

In the Old Testament, Jehovah stated he is the one who searches the heart and examines the kidneys

(NWT) Jer 17:10 I, Jehovah, am searching the heart, examining the kidneys, even to give to each one according to his ways, according to the fruitage of his dealings.

Christ says I am he

Revelation 2:23 (KJV 1900) — 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Readers notice how he addresses nothing and just offers bald denial

Who searches the hearts and the reins in the Old Testament

Why does Jesus state "I am he"

Unitarianism has no answer

 

[TomL]

It just refers to respecting the judgements of Jesus that the Father has delegated to Jesus. That's it. You take "honoring the Father" to the moon and stretch it to apply to worshipping, praying, etc to Jesus when it does not.

sorry but you are still ignoring the context

John 5:19–22 (ESV) — 19 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all that he himself is doing. And greater works than these will he show him, so that you may marvel. 21 For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will. 22 For the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son,

Now again I will ask

How do you honor God (the Father)?

 

[TomL]

"my throne" and "His throne" are not the same thrones.

what part of

And am set down with my Father in his throne.

Were you not capable of understanding?

 

[Runningman]

Repeating yourself is rather childish. Everyone understands your false claims. You actually believe that repeating them is progressing the argument you're making. We all can clearly see that you're repeating yourself. Repeating yourself is evidence of delusion on your part. Not anyone else. We all understood your false claims the first time you made them.

So you don't have a rebuttal then. Got it. If you can't actually refute what I wrote, but swing wildly at the low hanging fruit of ad hominem, and miss , then I accept your defeat as a Trinitarian.

 

[TomL]

Right! I noticed that too. His myopic condition is either physical or mental.

Even bolding and highlighting along with enlargement escapes his notice

 

[Runningman]

I asked you a question... pay attention.

Why are you going to sit with Jesus?

Me and the other Christians will sit with Jesus as a reward for overcoming. We will reign with Jesus, be co-heirs with Jesus, judge with Jesus, etc. It's all in the Bible.

 

[Runningman]

So if you found out you were wrong you would be unwilling to change ?

Finding out I was wrong is why I ceased being a Trinitarian. If I found out I was wrong again then yes of course I would change. Would you?

 

[TomL]

Me and the other Christians will sit with Jesus as a reward for overcoming. We will reign with Jesus, be co-heirs with Jesus, judge with Jesus, etc. It's all in the Bible.

Um you fail to honor the Father because you fail to honor the son as the Father would have

John 5:23–24 (UASV) — 23 in order that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. The one who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.


So you have not overcome