Jesus denied being God

[Peterlag]

Denial upon denial

Philippians 2:5–7 (ESV) — 5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.

After all the times I have appealed to this passage

Oh I see you're using a different Bible than I do.

 

[TomL]

Odd that Jesus would even be found in Jude 5 unless that it would have within the realm of reason to have his name there. Paul would have to make a similar mistake in 1 Cor 10:4 "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ."
So Paul and Jude have to be wrong so that runningman can have his Unitarian doctrine.

That is correct, the preincarnate Christ was there

 

[TomL]

Oh I see you're using a different Bible than I do.

I use many

None essentially differ regarding this text

Philippians 2:5–8 (KJV 1900) — 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

 

[synergy]

Since Jesus sits at the right hand of the Father, he doesn't sit on the same throne as the Father, yet those who overcome will sit with Jesus. Therefore, Christians sit at the right hand of the Father. When will you believe?

Revelation 3
21To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Keep reading until the end of your verse. Why did you stop midstream? I know why. Unitarianism makes you myopic.

Rev 3:21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me in My throne, even as I also overcame and have sat down with My Father in His throne.

Conclusion: That proves that Jesus is worshipped at his Father's Throne just as much as his Father is worshipped.

Keep sending us those Trinitarian verses! You're doing a superb job of that!

 

[synergy]

um your verse says the opposite

Revelation 3
21To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Right! I noticed that too. His myopic condition is either physical or mental.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Oh I see you're using a different Bible than I do.

How about reviewing a manuscript? Ever considered it or are you always going to blindly accept the work of others to make it your own?

 

[Runningman]

um your verse says the opposite

Revelation 3
21To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

"my throne" and "His throne" are not the same thrones.

 

[Runningman]

How do you honor him in judgment

and does this have to do with judgment

Revelation 5:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Only God is to be worshiped, but Jesus was worshiped and accepted worship by both men and Angels, indeed all of creation

So once again you fail to honor the Father

and BTW it is not just judgment

John 5:19–22 (ESV) — 19 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all that he himself is doing. And greater works than these will he show him, so that you may marvel. 21 For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will. 22 For the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son,

I am afraid it is you who assaults the bible

It just refers to respecting the judgements of Jesus that the Father has delegated to Jesus. That's it. You take "honoring the Father" to the moon and stretch it to apply to worshipping, praying, etc to Jesus when it does not.

 

[Runningman]

Look like you deny the words of Christ



John 5:37
And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form,

John 6:46
No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.

yet it stated men saw God



Genesis 32:30 (KJV 1900) — 30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.



Judges 13:22 (KJV 1900) — 22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.



Exodus 24:9–11 (KJV 1900) — 9 Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel: 10 And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. 11 And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.

Who did they see if they had not seen the father

John 1:18 (UASV) — 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, that one has made him fully known.

They saw the pre-incarnate Christ

In the Old Testament, Jehovah stated he is the one who searches the heart and examines the kidneys

(NWT) Jer 17:10 I, Jehovah, am searching the heart, examining the kidneys, even to give to each one according to his ways, according to the fruitage of his dealings.

Christ says I am he

Revelation 2:23 (KJV 1900) — 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Jesus being sent doesn't add anything relevant to the point that Jesus is the name of a human who didn't exist until after he was born.

Scripture says the name Jesus was the one given to him. So there is no such thing as a pre-existent person named Jesus in Scripture. Hence the scholarly community stands in opposition to the bad translation of Jude 5

Luke 2 (ESV)
21And at the end of eight days, when he was circumcised, he was called Jesus, the name given by the angel before he was conceived in the womb.

None of those verses in the Old Testament are about Jesus saying or doing anything. He didn't pre-exist in Scripture. You've been deceived dear Tom.

 

[Fred]

Thank you for acknowledging it was a good job to prove Jesus isn't God using Scripture.

You are still having reading comprehension problems.

 

[praise_yeshua]

"my throne" and "His throne" are not the same thrones.

Rev 3:21 ο νικων δωσω αυτω καθισαι μετ εμου εν τω θρονω μου ως καγω ενικησα και εκαθισα μετα του πατρος μου εν τω θρονω αυτου

Study....

If my throne and His throne are different. Then the Father and Son are not sitting together.

You need to gain some serious communication skills. All you're doing is continuing to display your ignorance at very fundamental levels.

There are some that treat these differently in the context of end time events to try and prove their theology. (I'm sure you googled to know this. You didn't know it before googling".) The use of "my" and "His" are not references that present an exclusive distinction in the language of the verse you're referencing. They're nothing more than your imaginations.

 

[praise_yeshua]

You are still having reading comprehension problems.

Like others have said. English can't possibly be his primary language.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Jesus being sent doesn't add anything relevant to the point that Jesus is the name of a human who didn't exist until after he was born.

Scripture says the name Jesus was the one given to him. So there is no such thing as a pre-existent person named Jesus in Scripture. Hence the scholarly community stands in opposition to the bad translation of Jude 5

The English word "Jesus" isn't found in either verse.

How many times are you going to make simple mistakes such as this.

 

[Fred]

Like others have said. English can't possibly be his primary language.

If it is, whoever taught him is probably even more confused.

 

[synergy]

"my throne" and "His throne" are not the same thrones.

Rev 3:21 proves that Jesus is worshipped at his Father's Throne just as much as his Father is worshipped.

Keep those Trinitarian verses coming!

 

[Runningman]

Keep reading until the end of your verse. Why did you stop midstream? I know why. Unitarianism makes you myopic.

Rev 3:21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me in My throne, even as I also overcame and have sat down with My Father in His throne.

Conclusion: That proves that Jesus is worshipped at his Father's Throne just as much as his Father is worshipped.

Keep sending us those Trinitarian verses! You're doing a superb job of that!

"my throne" and "His throne" are not the same thrones.

 

[Runningman]

Rev 3:21 proves that Jesus is worshipped at his Father's Throne just as much as his Father is worshipped.

Keep those Trinitarian verses coming!

You go too far with your man god ideas again. Those who overcome are sitting with Jesus on that throne... wow... you just claimed Christians are worshipped as God.

Rev 3:21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me in My throne, even as I also overcame and have sat down with My Father in His throne.

 

[praise_yeshua]

You go too far with your man god ideas again. Those who overcome are sitting with Jesus on that throne... wow... you just claimed Christians are worshipped as God.

Rev 3:21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me in My throne, even as I also overcame and have sat down with My Father in His throne.

So are you going to sit with Jesus?

You can't put one foot in front of the other........ You're at a "stand still"......

 

[synergy]

You go too far with your man god ideas again. Those who overcome are sitting with Jesus on that throne... wow... you just claimed Christians are worshipped as God.

No I did not. I said Jesus sat in his Father's Throne, not you or me. As such Jesus is worshipped as much as his Father, not that we are worshipped. You are just b*tt sore that your unitarianism has just been nailed to the wall.

Rev 3:21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me in My throne, even as I also overcame and have sat down with My Father in His throne.

Exactly!

 

[Runningman]

So are you going to sit with Jesus?

You can't put one foot in front of the other........ You're at a "stand still"......

To those who overcome, which would include me, yes. Of course. It's Scripture. Why do you not believe?