Jesus denied being God

[TomL]

Not according to Revelation. They worshipped God, not the Lamb buddy. Unitarianism 1, Trinitarianism 0.

Revelation 7
9After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

You truly are blind

Revelation 5:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Unitarianism remains at 0

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

You truly are blind

@Runningman is not blind and you are not the Buddha.
We are all near-sighted.
Stop the foolishness !

 

[civic]

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Jude 1:5
I wish to remind you, as you all know, that God, when once he had brought the people out from Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.

God is not in a single Greek manuscript

 

[synergy]

God is not in a single Greek manuscript

It's amazing the tenacity of Unitarians doing everything they possibly can to denigrated Jesus. Wow!

 

[civic]

It's amazing the tenacity of Unitarians doing everything they possibly can to denigrated Jesus. Wow!

Yes and Jude identifies Jesus as Lord several times in his short letter. So there is no wiggle room whether you choose a translation that has Jesus or Lord its one and the same Person according to Judes letter, Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[TomL]

@Runningman is not blind and you are not the Buddha.
We are all near-sighted.
Stop the foolishness !

I do not need to be the Buddha and the Buddha is nothing and refusal to see obvious things is a matter of willful blindness.

 

[civic]

You truly are blind

Revelation 5:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Unitarianism remains at 0

Clearly the Son shares the Throne with the Father in heaven and is worshipped by all creation. Rev 22 is another passage that declares this along with Rev 5.

They are in De Nile.

We believe Gods word literally whereas they do not and explain it away when it concerns the identity of our Lord and His work in creation and His worship by all creation.

 

[Runningman]

Here it is again so they can add their excuse.

I found this point very interesting about Jude 5–6 (ESV)
5Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.
6And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day.

Details about the divinity of Christ appear in unexpected places.

This reads like you've never even heard of the Old Testament. There is no mention of Jesus in the Old Testament doing anything.

That doesn't alert you? You don't want to know what's going on? The NIV says the Lord and some other versions say Jesus because the base Greek manuscripts different on this passage.

The word Lord is the original reading and it was most likely a scribal error that added Jesus because the name Jesus was what was given to the human baby, not the Son/Logos who pre-existed in Trinitarian theology. So as this reads, this is actually a strong argument against Jesus being God, but rather Jesus would be someone who pre-existed as a man. There's the problem.

 

[TomL]

Clearly the Son shares the Throne with the Father in heaven and is worshipped by all creation. Rev 22 is another passage that declares this along with Rev 5.

They are in De Nile.

We believe Gods word literally whereas they do not and explain it away when it concerns the identity of our Lord and His work in creation and His worship by all creation.

Clearly, Jesus was worshiped along with God the father

In denying this, Unitarians fail to honor God

John 5:23 (UASV) — 23 in order that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. The one who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.

 

[Runningman]

You truly are blind

Revelation 5:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Unitarianism remains at 0

This seems to be less about truth to you, but rather more about appearances. You just quoted the verses that proves Jesus isn't worshipped on the throne and then you call me blind for agreeing with it. You are in disaster recovery mode at this point scrambling to deny anything that's put in front of you.

 

[TomL]

This seems to be less about truth to you, but rather more about appearances. You just quoted the verses that proves Jesus isn't worshipped on the throne and then you call me blind for agreeing with it. You are in disaster recovery mode at this point scrambling to deny anything that's put in front of you.

Laughable

You have denied the most obvious things, adopted contradictory arguments, ignored context and exegesis, as well lexicologyand grammar

Further, it was you who had originally posted a scorecard. I just corrected it

 

[civic]

Laughable

You have denied the most obvious things, adopted contradictory arguments, ignored context and exegesis, as well lexicologyand grammar

Further, it was you who had originally posted a scorecard. I just corrected it

amazing since its says in the text He was worshipped.

just more of the same living in De Nile.

 

[TomL]

amazing since its says in the text He was worshipped.

just more of the same living in De Nile.

Many verses point to Jesus being and accepting worship.

If he was not God, he sinned and could not be anyone's savior.

So any Unitarian who denies Jesus worship has no savior.

 

[civic]

Many verses point to Jesus being and accepting worship.

If he was not God, he sinned and could not be anyone's savior.

So any Unitarian who denies Jesus worship has no savior.

Yes this is so obvious that elementary grade students could read , comprehend and understand it’s true.

One must have a bias and presuppositions when reading the Bible to deny it which we all know is eisegesis.

It’s such a poor hermeneutics we see on display from the uni camp.

 

[Runningman]

Laughable

You have denied the most obvious things, adopted contradictory arguments, ignored context and exegesis, as well lexicologyand grammar

Further, it was you who had originally posted a scorecard. I just corrected it

Maybe you shouldn't disagree with every verse I have showed you. You seem to have one mode, which is debate mode, whereas I don't have that mode. I would love that we actually agreed on anything. So why are you always in disagreement with Scripture?

 

[Runningman]

amazing since its says in the text He was worshipped.

just more of the same living in De Nile.

Where? It says they are around the throne. Then when they fell down it doesn't say they moved to somewhere else. They fell down before the throne and worshipped. Yet the Lamb is not on the throne. Wow. Can you guys read?

Revelation 5
11And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; 12Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. 13And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. 14And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

 

[Fred]

Yet the Lamb is not on the throne. Wow. Can you guys read?

He is in the "center" of it. (Revelation 7:17)

The creation knows the Creator.

 

[civic]

Where? It says they are around the throne. Then when they fell down it doesn't say they moved to somewhere else. They fell down before the throne and worshipped. Yet the Lamb is not on the throne. Wow. Can you guys read?

Revelation 5
11And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; 12Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. 13And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. 14And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

AND TO THE. LAMB

next fallacy

 

[Runningman]

AND TO THE. LAMB

next fallacy

The one on the throne is distinct from the Lamb nor are they described the same way. For one, the Lamb hasn't been living forever since he died already and was resurrected.

 

[Runningman]

He is in the "center" of it. (Revelation 7:17)

The creation knows the Creator.

Rev. 7:17 is a different context about the Lamb's throne, not God's throne. There are different thrones.

However, only God is worshipped not the Lamb. Why do you people always ignore the truth?

Revelation 7
9After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,