No the name of God was YHWH
This did not appear in the septuagint, lord English, kyrios greek did
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Jesus denied being God
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No the name of God was YHWH
This did not appear in the septuagint, lord English, kyrios greek did
Pancho Frijoles
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I value very much your humbleness in declaring that you don't know some things.
But in this occasion, let me be a bit harsh. It is not about you, my brother. Please don't take it personal. I'm gonna be harsh on purpose, just for the sake of the debate.
If I am not sure about God granting salvation to me and my human fellows... well, what a waste of time debating on the Trinity!
I invite you, @civic, @synergy, @Runningman and @TomL to participate in the thread "The doctor and his four patients: A Parable of Faith and Works".
The reference here is to Jesus
Isaiah 9:6 (KJV 1900) — 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: And the government shall be upon his shoulder: And his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Heb 1 applies this to Christ
Psalm 45:6–7 (KJV 1900) — 6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: The sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. 7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: Therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee With the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
also
Psalm 102:25–27 (KJV 1900) — 25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: And the heavens are the work of thy hands. 26 They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: Yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; As a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed: 27 But thou art the same, And thy years shall have no end.
Pancho Frijoles
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You and @Peterlag are an intelligent and noble beings.
So don't come with the same foolishness.
This is to both of you: Stop the craze right now, please!
Unitarism is nothing.
Trinitarism is nothing.
Living the life of Christ is everything.
Who is Christ?
Let me tell you who Christ is.
Christ is the person who commanded us to love each other so that we could be identified as his disciples. That's Christ.
If you and @Peterlag recognize that person as "Christ", you are disciples of the same Christ.
that thread is waste of time.
Pancho Frijoles
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Our miraculous God is denied when we deny the miracle of his grace... the miracle of forgiving us and transforming our lives.
So, nobody here is denying our miraculous God.
What should "amaze" you, is the importance that people give to unimportant things. The arrogance to think that someone is closer to salvation than other one because of a more correct theology. That should "amaze" you!
Debating on the Trinity is a waste of time if we don't know what "denying God" vs "loving God" means.
I will remain in the thread, but I will stop debating about the Trinity right now, since I have more important things to do: for example, denouncing foolishness as foolishness.
The problem actually seems relevant. People who disregard the deity of Christ usually have other bad doctrines, such as legalism or they say everyone is justified without needing the blood of Christ to save them. The problem now is that the debate is not establishing Pancho's doctrine.
Sorry it is important we know who Christ is
Too important to follow your suggestion
Pancho Frijoles
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Indeed
2 Corinthians 4:3–4 (KJV 1900) — 3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Thanks for trying. It helped confirm what we know about the Trinity. It was odd that when you were hoping for unity that your arguments were totally directed against the deity of God, which is preferable to the Baha'i faith. It would be hard to show all of those other religions have a prophet who also is shown to be of the Godhead. Their religious texts do not point toward the divine Son of the Godhead like the Bible does.
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civic
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Undeniable truth. We know the Holy Spirit is identified as God, the Son is identified as God and the Father is identified as God.
That makes or equals a Tri-Unity of Persons as the Plural God described in Scripture. God Plural said let US make man in OUR image after OUR likeness. We know that cannot be anyone else but the Godhead since man was created in the image of God alone, not the angels.
Pancho Frijoles
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Perhaps you mean "it is important we know who the winner of the argument is"
Jesus showed interest in Christology once during his ministry and asked his disciples who the people thought he was.
By the time Jesus asked this, He had already healed a lot of people... regardless on whether these people thought Jesus was Elijah, or John the Baptist, or another prophet, or the Messiah, or just a good healer.
Jesus asked his disciples who they thought he was.
Peter gave an answer: "You are the Messiah, the Son of God".
Jesus didn't contradict Peter.
Jesus didn't add a detailed explanation.
Jesus didn't dig deeper into Peter's mind to find out what exactly he meant
Jesus praised that answer, saying it had been revealed by The Father.
The people who participate in this thread, such as @Peterlag, @Runningman, @civic, @synergy, you and me, share Peter's conviction.
So, why would any of us think that Jesus demands from us a knowledge that He didn't demand from Peter?
If Jesus appeared to me right now and asked me "Who do you say I am?" I would reply as Peter.
Yes, I am very lazy on these things. I prefer to be on the safe side.
The problem would come when Jesus asked me "If you say I am the Messiah, the Son of God, why don't you do what I tell you?"
civic
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Thomas
John 20:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Christ commend those who have not seen but believe
that is good enough for me
Our choice was that Jesus be the "winner" for being recognized in all his glory. I think we have seen that almost all testified to the deity of Christ.
Pancho Frijoles
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Jesus didn't ask Peter what was the meaning of "Son of God". Did He?
If for you it means "God", great. Jesus won't ask you for a definition anyway.
I thought Pancho had ended his discussion on the Trinity. He did not convince us away from the testimony of scripture. (I know. it is hard to stop participating in the thread cold turkey.) Otherwise, I do think he tries to be a friendly guy.
Will you proclaim as did Thomas and be blessed
John 20:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
or will you be a denier and miss the blessing
