Jesus denied being God

I follow conventional reason and logic in which words mean what they say they do. You have, and probably always will, impose your theology onto the scripture, thus overriding a consistent reading of the Bible. For example, for you I am sure that because since Jesus is the son of God then that means he's God. For me, Jesus being the son of God does not mean he's God because there are billions of other sons of God.
Excelent post, Runningman.

God does not originate from anyone else. Therefore, the title Son of God cannot be applied to God.
God does not submit to anyone else. Therefore, the title Son of God cannot be applied to God.
 
It matches the concept of the kingdom and rulership belonging to the people. It's not exclusive to Jesus.
Jesus lets them reign with him. that is fine. Maybe you have heard that he is the Christ -- i.e., the king. The Roman Empire had people reigning with Caesar. This is the kingdom of Christ. The reign is by God based on the testimony of scripture. Thus we know Christ is God with the Father.
 
Excelent post, Runningman.

God does not originate from anyone else. Therefore, the title Son of God cannot be applied to God.
God does not submit to anyone else. Therefore, the title Son of God cannot be applied to God.
So Pancho wants to deny what God says because Pancho does not understand what God can do.

The knowledge of man does not drive what God can do. God gives man knowledge. Man's knowledge is derivative, not authoritative.
 
I follow conventional reason and logic in which words mean what they say they do. You have, and probably always will, impose your theology onto the scripture, thus overriding a consistent reading of the Bible. For example, for you I am sure that because since Jesus is the son of God then that means he's God. For me, Jesus being the son of God does not mean he's God because there are billions of other sons of God.
Now your are a universalist. wonderful.
 
Matthew 9:6-8 doesn't drop names, but it's most likely Jesus and the disciples.
so the multitude thought that the disciples were given authority to forgive sins against God. I guess you have reason to believe their logic and that you have other passages to back up your unusual ideas.
 
The below is proof one can sin against Christ without sinning against the Father.

1 Corinthians 8
12But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.

No mention of the Father in the above verse, no mention of sinning against Jesus being tantamount to a sinning against God, or sinning against the Father, or sinning against the Holy Spirit.
That does not exclude the sin being against God. Maybe you have an argument somewhere else
It's because the Trinity is a bunk idea. It's bad theology. Actually, I will take it a step further. A sin against Jesus is not a sin against God at all. Know why? He proved such in his teachings. See below.

Speaking against Jesus is forgivable. Speaking against God is not forgivable. Catching on yet? @Fred

Matthew 12
31Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32And
whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
I see you misconstrue scripture consistently. I'm not sure why you bring up a Trinitarian passage to deny the deity of Christ.

Jesus in his ministry on earth allowed some anger directed against him but he endured that. Now in Matt 12, they saw the power of God and attributed it Satan. That is just being an enemy of God. I'm not aware how this means that sin against Christ is not sin against God. All this mentions is a situation that can be forgiven.
I guess I was not able to scroll far enough to see a real argument. Maybe you mean a subsequent post you will do,.
 
Jesus lets them reign with him. that is fine. Maybe you have heard that he is the Christ -- i.e., the king. The Roman Empire had people reigning with Caesar. This is the kingdom of Christ. The reign is by God based on the testimony of scripture. Thus we know Christ is God with the Father.
Not wat Scripture says. Reigning with someone and the kingdom belonging to people means Christ isn't the exclusive head. Thus we have proof from Scripture that Jesus is not God.
 
That does not exclude the sin being against God. Maybe you have an argument somewhere else
No mention of God in the verse.

I see you misconstrue scripture consistently. I'm not sure why you bring up a Trinitarian passage to deny the deity of Christ.

Jesus in his ministry on earth allowed some anger directed against him but he endured that. Now in Matt 12, they saw the power of God and attributed it Satan. That is just being an enemy of God. I'm not aware how this means that sin against Christ is not sin against God. All this mentions is a situation that can be forgiven.
I guess I was not able to scroll far enough to see a real argument. Maybe you mean a subsequent post you will do,.
It says you can speak against the son of man and be forgiven in direct contrast to speaking against God and not being forgiven. As I already said, your theology overrides the reading of the text. You always have something to explain it all away.
 
Not wat Scripture says. Reigning with someone and the kingdom belonging to people means Christ isn't the exclusive head. Thus we have proof from Scripture that Jesus is not God.
oh my. Now you are deny Jesus Christ is Christ. How on earth do you reconcile denying Jesus is Christ? You cannot logically deny Christ and be a Christian.
 
oh my. Now you are deny Jesus Christ is Christ. How on earth do you reconcile denying Jesus is Christ? You cannot logically deny Christ and be a Christian.
Jesus is the Christ. What on earth are you talking about. Did you know Christ means the anointed? There are many anointed in Scripture.
 
Jesus is the Christ. What on earth are you talking about. Did you know Christ means the anointed? There are many anointed in Scripture.
So Jesus is king but he is not the king. I do not quite understand this. You have a quantum mechanics being. You really do not make sense.
 
No mention of God in the verse.
I guess God ceased to exist in your universe. It does not have to be stated in every verse where some one sins. You cannot argue by absence of mention of God here.
It says you can speak against the son of man and be forgiven in direct contrast to speaking against God and not being forgiven. As I already said, your theology overrides the reading of the text. You always have something to explain it all away.
It does not say "God" here but rather the Spirit of God. You like to drop off the Spirit because you deny the essence of God. If you can get the translators simply to remove "Spirit of," then you can point to that translation to make your argument.
Certainly I have scriptures I use to explain your ideas away.
 
I guess God ceased to exist in your universe. It does not have to be stated in every verse where some one sins. You cannot argue by absence of mention of God here.
God exists. Are you trying to gas light me? Seems you are assigning a lot of things to me I never said.

It does not say "God" here but rather the Spirit of God. You like to drop off the Spirit because you deny the essence of God. If you can get the translators simply to remove "Spirit of," then you can point to that translation to make your argument.
Certainly I have scriptures I use to explain your ideas away.
God isn't the son of man in the Bible.

I am going with what the Bible says. Jesus said directly that speaking against him is forgivable, but speaking against God (the Holy Spirit) is not. Do you understand this?
 
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