Jesus denied being God

[jeremiah1five]

Ephesians 3:3-6
How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Who is "fellowheirs," and "of the same body" and "partakers of the promise in Christ" but Jews?

Abraham's seed are the heirs of the promise God gave to Abraham when God made covenant with him.

Being "of the same body" can only refer to Israel because anyone who is not Israel is of "strange flesh" and these cannot be joined to Christ as the Jews are.

"Partakers of the promise in Christ" refers to the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL just as Peter said in Acts 2.

All of these refer to God's covenant with Abraham and with his seed, a people identified in Scripture as the children of Israel.

God made NO COVENANT with non-Hebrew Gentiles. If you think so then show me the Scripture in the Law, Psalms, or the writing of the Prophets.

 

[Runningman]

so you somehow think Messiah means anointing that somehow is differentiated from him born as King? You deny who Christ is.

This is not something I "somehow think." I know that messiah means the anointed as an objective fact. Why did you go through the trouble of not studying it only to start a losing debate on this particular word? Since you decided to not do your homework, let me throw you a lifeline.

H4886 mashach and G5545 chrisma both mean annointing in the Hebrew and Greek LXX. You can begin your learning with Exodus 28:41 or John 1:41. It is not related to the word king.

You again fail to indicate the Spirit in this. If you distort scripture, you can make it say whatever you want. If they realized Jesus as the Son of God, it probably would be unforgivable. But he was not explicit about that in public, so it was not the issue before those Pharisees.

This is a clear indication to me that you do not believe what the Bible says. So, contrary to what Jesus said, you believe it's unforgivable to speak against Jesus?

Jesus was very plain that blaspheming him is forgivable, but blaspheming God (the Holy Spirit) is not forgivable. This is strong evidence that Jesus is not God.

Matthew 12 (KJV)
31Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Hopefully you are one despite your denials of who Christ is. If you popped into a Christian meeting around me and spouted this stuff, I would not start to guess which religious group you were part of.

No denials about who Jesus is on my part. Yes, I agree. If you popped into a Christian meeting we would of course chuckle and welcome you, but it wouldn't be difficult to guess which sect you belong to.

We still have yet to hear that part of your doctrine about who Christ is after all his attributes have been rejected. Maybe you can explain something about the reason for the virgin birth?

Sure, what's your question specifically? Is Elizabeth's Lord God or a human?

Luke 1
43And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

 

[Runningman]

The same Greek word for 'sins' is used in 1 Corinthians 8:12. By sinning against a brother, one is sinning against Christ.

Thanks again for proving my point.

Thank you for proving it's possible to sin against Christ without sinning against God.

 

[Runningman]

The Holy Spirit is not the Father (Matthew 28:19).

You very confused.

Yes the Holy Spirit is the Father according to Scripture.

John 4
23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

 

[Runningman]

'But if I tarry long that thou mayest know
how thou oughtest to behave thyself
in the house of God
which is the church of the living God
the pillar and ground of the truth
and without controversy great
is the mystery of godliness
.. God was manifest in the flesh
.... justified in the Spirit
...... seen of angels
........ preached unto the Gentiles
.......... believed on in the world
............ received up into glory.'
(1Ti 3:15-16)

Praise God!

I've observed that most Trins quote verses without really studying them. The words "God was manifest in the flesh" do not exist in the oldest manuscripts. Why this is important is because it's evidence that not only did the earliest Christians not believe God was manifest in the flesh, but that the text has been altered. I encourage you to fully study the Scriptures, not just on the surface, but critically by looking at it through the long lens of history.

Here's something to get you started since many renowned Trinitarian commentators disagree with you:

Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
God was manifest in the flesh.—Here, in the most ancient authorities, the word “God” does not occur. We must, then, literally translate the Greek of the most famous and trustworthy MSS. as follows: He who was manifested in the flesh. In the later MSS., and in the great majority of the fathers who cite the passage, we certainly find Theos (“God”), as in the Received text. The substitution can be traced to no special doctrinal prejudice, but is owing, probably, to a well-meant correction of early scribes. At first sight, Theos (“God”) would be a reading easier to understand, and grammatically more exact; and in the original copies, the great similitude between ΘC (“God”)—the contracted form in which ΘEOC was written—and the relative ΘC (“He who”), would be likely to suggest to an officious scribe the very trifling alteration necessary for the easier and apparently more accurate word. Recent investigations have shown, however, beyond controversy that the oldest MSS., with scarcely an exception, contain the more difficult reading, ΘC (“He who”). The Greek pronoun thus rendered is simply a relative to an omitted but easily-inferred antecedent—viz., Christ. Possibly the difficulty in the construction is due to the fact of the whole verse being a fragment of an ancient Christian hymn, embodying a confession of faith, well known to, and perhaps often sung by, the faithful among the congregations of such cities as Ephesus, Corinth, and Rome—a confession embodying the grand facts of the Incarnation and the Resurrection, the preaching of the cross to, and its reception by, the Gentile world, and the present session of Christ in glory. In the original Greek the rhythmical, as well as the antithetical character, of the clauses is very striking. In the English translation they can hardly be reproduced:—

 

[MTMattie]

Jesus was very plain that blaspheming him is forgivable, but blaspheming God (the Holy Spirit) is not forgivable. This is strong evidence that Jesus is not God.

You wont understand but the Father IS NOT the Holy Spirit.

 

[MTMattie]

I've observed that most Trins quote verses without really studying them. The words "God was manifest in the flesh" do not exist in the oldest manuscripts.

I've observed that YOU do not post the scriptures from the oldest manuscripts to make you points.

Therefore you are guilty of misleading people.

At the very least you could do would be to post the first manuscript that says that with the year it was said.

 

[Runningman]

I've observed that YOU do not post the scriptures from the oldest manuscripts to make you points.

Therefore you are guilty of misleading people.

At the very least you could do would be to post the first manuscript that says that with the year it was said.

I believe you are guilty of protecting the corrupted manuscript which misleads people. Why not just agree with the things that are true? A great many Trinitarian scholars admit what I showed about 1 Tim 3:16.

 

[MTMattie]

I believe you are guilty of protecting the corrupted manuscript which misleads people. Why not just agree with the things that are true? A great many Trinitarian scholars admit what I showed about 1 Tim 3:16.

There are only 2 translations I do not subscribe to. NWT and KJV

Yep. I believe any of the following... which is yours?

1 Tim 3:16
New International Version
Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.

English Standard Version
Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

Berean Standard Bible
By common confession, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was proclaimed among the nations, was believed in throughout the world, was taken up in glory.

Berean Literal Bible
And confessedly, great is the mystery of godliness: Who was revealed in the flesh, was justified in the Spirit, was seen by angels, was proclaimed among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.

King James Bible
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

New King James Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

New American Standard Bible
Beyond question, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.

NASB 1995
By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.

NASB 1977
And by common confession great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Beheld by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.

Legacy Standard Bible
And by common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was manifested in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.

Amplified Bible
And great, we confess, is the mystery [the hidden truth] of godliness: He (Jesus Christ) who was revealed in human flesh, Was justified and vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.

Christian Standard Bible
And most certainly, the mystery of godliness is great: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
And most certainly, the mystery of godliness is great: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

American Standard Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the spirit, Seen of angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

Contemporary English Version
Here is the great mystery of our religion: Christ came as a human. The Spirit proved that he pleased God, and he was seen by angels. Christ was preached to the nations. People in this world put their faith in him, and he was taken up to glory.

English Revised Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen of angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, received up in glory.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
The mystery that gives us our reverence for God is acknowledged to be great: He appeared in his human nature, was approved by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was announced throughout the nations, was believed in the world, and was taken to heaven in glory.

Good News Translation
No one can deny how great is the secret of our religion: He appeared in human form, was shown to be right by the Spirit, and was seen by angels. He was preached among the nations, was believed in throughout the world, and was taken up to heaven.

International Standard Version
By common confession, the secret of our godly worship is great: In flesh was he revealed to sight, kept righteous by the Spirit's might, adored by angels singing. To nations was he manifest, believing souls found peace and rest, our Lord in heaven reigning!

Majority Standard Bible
By common confession, the mystery of godliness is great: God appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was proclaimed among the nations, was believed in throughout the world, was taken up in glory.

NET Bible
And we all agree, our religion contains amazing revelation: He was revealed in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among Gentiles, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

New Heart English Bible
Without controversy, the mystery of godliness is great: He was revealed in the flesh, justified by the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, and received up in glory.

Webster's Bible Translation
And without controversy, great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Weymouth New Testament
And, beyond controversy, great is the mystery of our religion-- that Christ appeared in human form, and His claims justified by the Spirit, was seen by angels and proclaimed among Gentile nations, was believed on in the world, and received up again into glory.

World English Bible
Without controversy, the mystery of godliness is great: God was revealed in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, and received up in glory.
Literal Translations
Literal Standard Version
and confessedly, great is the secret of piety: who was revealed in flesh, declared righteous in [the] Spirit, seen by messengers, preached among nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory!

Berean Literal Bible
And confessedly, great is the mystery of godliness: Who was revealed in the flesh, was justified in the Spirit, was seen by angels, was proclaimed among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.

Young's Literal Translation
and, confessedly, great is the secret of piety -- God was manifested in flesh, declared righteous in spirit, seen by messengers, preached among nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory!

Smith's Literal Translation
And manifestly great is the mystery of devotion: God was manifested in the flesh, was justified in the Spirit, was seen by angels, was proclaimed in the nations, was believed on in the world, was received up in glory.
Catholic Translations
Douay-Rheims Bible
And evidently great is the mystery of godliness, which was manifested in the flesh, was justified in the spirit, appeared unto angels, hath been preached unto the Gentiles, is believed in the world, is taken up in glory.

Catholic Public Domain Version
And it is clearly great, this mystery of piety, which was manifested in the flesh, which was justified in the Spirit, which has appeared to Angels, which has been preached to the Gentiles, which is believed in the world, which has been taken up in glory.

New Revised Standard Version
Without any doubt, the mystery of our religion is great: He was revealed in flesh, vindicated in spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among Gentiles, believed in throughout the world, taken up in glory.
Translations from Aramaic
Lamsa Bible
Truly great is this divine mystery of righteousness: it is revealed in the flesh, justi- fied in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, and received up into glory.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And this Mystery of Righteousness is truly great, which was revealed in the flesh and was justified in The Spirit; He appeared to Angels and was preached among the Gentiles; He was trusted in the world and he ascended into glory.

NT Translations
Anderson New Testament
And confessedly great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in flesh, justified in spirit, seen by angels, preached among the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up in glory.

Godbey New Testament
And assuredly great is the mystery of godliness; Who is manifested in the flesh, was justified in the spirit, was seen of angels, was preached among the Gentiles, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.

Haweis New Testament
And confessedly great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified by the Spirit, seen of angels, preached among the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Mace New Testament
the mystery of piety is the pillar and basts of truth; and certainly most extraordinary. God has appear'd in the flesh, been justified by the spirit, seen by angels, proclaim'd to the Gentiles, believ'd by the world, and assum'd into glory.

Worrell New Testament
And, confessedly, great is the mystery of godliness; God was manifested in flesh, was justified in the Spirit, was seen by angels, preached among the gentiles, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

Worsley New Testament
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the Gentiles, believed on in the world, and received up into glory.

 

[dwight92070]

I believe you are guilty of protecting the corrupted manuscript which misleads people. Why not just agree with the things that are true? A great many Trinitarian scholars admit what I showed about 1 Tim 3:16.

Runningman, what church or organization do you belong to?

 

[101G]

Jesus could not inherently give eternal life as Scripture states. He had to be granted that authority. So Jesus was given the power to do something he could not do before and he became a life-giving spirit when he previously was not. That's proof that Jesus isn't God because eternal life comes from God in the first place.

not to intervene into your conversation with 360. but is not the Lord Jesus the ONLY ONE "WITH" ETERNAL LIFE? supportive scripture, 1 Timothy 6:13 "I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;" 1 Timothy 6:14 "That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:" 1 Timothy 6:15 "Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;" 1 Timothy 6:16 "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen."
the term ONLY means, and no one or nothing more besides; solely or exclusively, read that definition again, Solely? exclusively?

in much GL.

101G.

 

[Runningman]

Runningman, what church or organization do you belong to?

None. I am just a Bible-believing Christian. How about you?

 

[Runningman]

not to intervene into your conversation with 360. but is not the Lord Jesus the ONLY ONE "WITH" ETERNAL LIFE? supportive scripture, 1 Timothy 6:13 "I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;" 1 Timothy 6:14 "That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:" 1 Timothy 6:15 "Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;" 1 Timothy 6:16 "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen."
the term ONLY means, and no one or nothing more besides; solely or exclusively, read that definition again, Solely? exclusively?

in much GL.

101G.

Read it closely. It says Jesus will show who the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords is. Not that Jesus is himself that person.

You correctly defined the word only. Understand why John 17:1-3 says the "only" true God is the Father now?

 

[Peterlag]

Who is "fellowheirs," and "of the same body" and "partakers of the promise in Christ" but Jews?

Abraham's seed are the heirs of the promise God gave to Abraham when God made covenant with him.

Being "of the same body" can only refer to Israel because anyone who is not Israel is of "strange flesh" and these cannot be joined to Christ as the Jews are.

"Partakers of the promise in Christ" refers to the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL just as Peter said in Acts 2.

All of these refer to God's covenant with Abraham and with his seed, a people identified in Scripture as the children of Israel.

God made NO COVENANT with non-Hebrew Gentiles. If you think so then show me the Scripture in the Law, Psalms, or the writing of the Prophets.

What should I do with this verse that says Gentiles should be fellowheirs? Tare it out of the Bible?

That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

 

[jeremiah1five]

What should I do with this verse that says Gentiles should be fellowheirs? Tare it out of the Bible?

That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

These "Gentiles" are mixed-heritage Hebrews who grew up in Gentile lands heavily influenced by Greek culture (Hellenized.) The Jews called Samaritans, "Samaritan" and not "Jew" by Jews in the same attitude that mixed-heritage Hebrews were called "Gentile" and not "Jew" by Jews because they were mixed-heritage Hebrews who grew up in Gentile lands heavily influenced by Greek culture. There were about 15-20 generations of these Hebrews who grew up in Gentile lands. They were:

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:11–13.

This describes the mixed-heritage Hebrew to a tee. Consider "aliens" and "strangers."

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. Acts 2:39.

The Promise" was made to Abraham and his seed. These mixed-heritage Hebrews qualify as still being Abraham's seed no matter their dilution. Certainly, God made no promise to non-Hebrews. I find no promise between God and non-Hebrew Gentiles in Scripture.

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matt. 15:24.

 

[101G]

Read it closely. It says Jesus will show who the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords is. Not that Jesus is himself that person.

You correctly defined the word only. Understand why John 17:1-3 says the "only" true God is the Father now?

GINOLJC,
first did he not show you who the KING of kings and LORD of Lords is? Revelation 17:14 "These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful."

so, the Lamb is the King of kings and Lord of lords. now who is the Lamb?

Revelation 19:11 "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war." Revelation 19:12 "His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself." Revelation 19:13 "And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God." Revelation 19:14 "And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean." Revelation 19:15 "And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God." Revelation 19:16 "And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."

so the Lamb is the Word of God..... and who is the Word of God? John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

well Runningman that's the Lord Jesus, the Word of God who is GOD. and what 101G said still stand, he is the "ONLY" one with ETERNAL LIFE. now, don't argue with 101G, argue with God, so you want to ty again. in much GL.

101G

 

[Runningman]

GINOLJC,
first did he not show you who the KING of kings and LORD of Lords is? Revelation 17:14 "These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful."

so, the Lamb is the King of kings and Lord of lords. now who is the Lamb?

Revelation 19:11 "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war." Revelation 19:12 "His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself." Revelation 19:13 "And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God." Revelation 19:14 "And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean." Revelation 19:15 "And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God." Revelation 19:16 "And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."

so the Lamb is the Word of God..... and who is the Word of God? John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

well Runningman that's the Lord Jesus, the Word of God who is GOD. and what 101G said still stand, he is the "ONLY" one with ETERNAL LIFE. now, don't argue with 101G, argue with God, so you want to ty again. in much GL.

101G

1 Timothy 6:14-16 says that Jesus will show who the King of kings is rather than directly identifying him as the King of kings. The key to understanding this passage is that it says Jesus will "shew" or "show" who the King of kings is. It means he's going to reveal or make known who the Father is which is something Jesus consistently does throughout the Bible (John 1:18, John 17:3, Acts 20:24, etc..)

So your interpretation of assigning these attributes to Jesus doesn't really make any sense either grammatically or from a Christian theological perspective. Furthermore, there are more clues from the context that you should not continue to ignore.

Firstly, while it's true that Jesus has eternal life now, he didn't previously have eternal life because he died. People who die are not inherently immortal. Therefore the only one with immortality would be God, not Jesus.

Secondly, Jesus is never said to be dwelling in unapproachable light anywhere in the Bible. There are numerous instances, pre and post resurrection, where Jesus is not in unapproachable light. He was both witnessed and visibly seen numerous times in visions.

Thirdly, the passage says that no man has seen or can see. That would not be Jesus at all. Many people saw Jesus in the Bible and he will have a visible second coming "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him." Read it again and let's see if you are seeing it now.

1 Timothy 6​

14That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 15Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.​

On the matter of Jesus being the "Lord of lords and King of kings" the word order is different. They made the word or different in order to show distinction between God and Jesus so as to make it easier to not confuse Jesus with God like you're doing.

 

[Peterlag]

These "Gentiles" are mixed-heritage Hebrews who grew up in Gentile lands heavily influenced by Greek culture (Hellenized.) The Jews called Samaritans, "Samaritan" and not "Jew" by Jews in the same attitude that mixed-heritage Hebrews were called "Gentile" and not "Jew" by Jews because they were mixed-heritage Hebrews who grew up in Gentile lands heavily influenced by Greek culture. There were about 15-20 generations of these Hebrews who grew up in Gentile lands. They were:

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:11–13.

This describes the mixed-heritage Hebrew to a tee. Consider "aliens" and "strangers."

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. Acts 2:39.

The Promise" was made to Abraham and his seed. These mixed-heritage Hebrews qualify as still being Abraham's seed no matter their dilution. Certainly, God made no promise to non-Hebrews. I find no promise between God and non-Hebrew Gentiles in Scripture.

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matt. 15:24.

Let me straighten these verses out for you...

Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, (in the past means before they were in Christ as Christians) who are called Uncircumcision (the Jews called them uncircumcision which means not Jews) by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: (Because you were Gentiles and not yet Christian)

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:11–13.

There's noting in Ephesians that says Jesus is God.

 

[101G]

1 Timothy 6:14-16 says that Jesus will show who the King of kings is rather than directly identifying him as the King of kings.

are you serious? the word shew here when used as a verb, "(something) To prove or reveal a truth about", is synonyms with, reveal, evidence, declare, symbolize, make clear, introduce. and introduce means, "To cause to be acquainted with someone"
and 1 Timothy 6:14a says that Jesus will show who" so, in Identifying WHO.... it is the Lord JESUS. so you're reproved there.

The key to understanding this passage is that it says Jesus will "shew" or "show" who the King of kings is. It means he's going to reveal or make known who the Father is which is something Jesus consistently does throughout the Bible (John 1:18, John 17:3, Acts 20:24, etc..)

and he is the Father, did you not read? Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

and for your John 1:18, John 17:3, Acts 20:24, John 1:18 is not the Lord Jesus the Express IMAGE of, of, of, his PERSON? meaning the same one Person, for Express here mean "EXACT". yes the same one PERSON, and for John 17:3 is the same one person again. i.e. Listen and Learn. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." the Word was ... "WITH" God? seems like two persons correct? incorrect. Listen and Learn, the "WITH" revealing. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." see that AND as in John 17:3 .... see that WITH as in John 1:1. now comprehend their meaning in the Godhead. Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last."
WHAT! ........ "I, I, I, I, ALSO", yes I a single PERSON is also, and "ALSO" means.... in addition; too. BINGO, reproved here also. for the Lord Jesus in John 17:3 being in addition to being the ONLY TRUE God, he is "ALSO" the CHRIST.... BINGO, you're reproved again. and as for John 1:18. in addition to being God, he Jesus is also the ONLY begotten Son....... is not the REVELATOR revealing TRUTH...... again you are reproved.

Firstly, while it's true that Jesus has eternal life now, he didn't previously have eternal life because he died.

again .... have you not READ? what died, flesh or spirit? let the bible speak. James 2:26 "For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." so, the flesh died, NOT the spirit. so, what happens to the spirit, or where do the spirit Go? let the bible speak, Ecclesiastes 3:19 "For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity." Ecclesiastes 3:20 "All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again." Ecclesiastes 3:21 "Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?" Ecclesiastes 3:22 "Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?"

"Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward", WHO knoweth? answer we do by the scriptures, Ecclesiastes 12:7 "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it." So again, you're reproved, for there are two death, the First of the Flesh....... and the second death.... the Lake of fire.

Secondly, Jesus is never said to be dwelling in unapproachable light anywhere in the Bible.

LOL, LOL, LOL, My God when will they ever learn. listen to the definition of LIGHT. it is the Greek term,
G5457 φῶς phos (fōs') n.
luminousness.
{in the widest application, natural or artificial, abstract or concrete, literal or figurative}
[from an obsolete phao “to shine or make manifest” (especially by rays)]
KJV: fire, light
Compare: G5316, G5346

now, Genesis 1:3 "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light." LIGHT here is the Hebrew term,
H216 אוֹר 'owr (ore) n-f.
1. illumination.
2. (concretely) luminary (in every sense, including lightning, happiness, etc.).
[from H215]
KJV: bright, clear, + day, light (-ning), morning, sun.
Root(s): H215

LIGHT here is metaphorically represented as WISDOM. How do 101G know this? see the Hebrew term LIGHT in Genesis 1:3... note the 2nd. definition, 2. (concretely) luminary (in every sense, including lightning, happiness, etc.). and happiness means, delight, and rejoice. scripture,
Proverbs 8:22 "The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old." Proverbs 8:23 "I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was." Proverbs 8:24 "When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water." Proverbs 8:25 "Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:" Proverbs 8:26 "While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world." Proverbs 8:27 "When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:" Proverbs 8:28 "When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:" Proverbs 8:29 "When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:" Proverbs 8:30 "Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;" Proverbs 8:31 "Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men."
now NT, 1 Corinthians 1:24 "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God."

MY God this is Just too easy. Look Runningman, you might want to study a bit more before you go any further.... no put down, but encouragement.

In Much GL.

101G.

 

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It has been recorded that Jesus denied that he is God in the verses below from the KJV:

Matthew 19​

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.​

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Mark 10​

18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.​

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Luke 18​

19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.​

Based on the above Scripture, we can find the following information:

Jesus rhetorically questions why he is being called "good" and says that only God is good. This means that Jesus is distinguishing himself from God and that absolute goodness belongs exclusively to God. In saying this, Jesus denies that he possesses the absolute goodness that God has.

This distinction that Jesus pointed out between himself and God is evident in his rhetorical question about why he is being called good. If Jesus were God, then it would not be consistent for him to deny being called good and thus deny having this divine attribute of God.

Since Jesus denied having the absolute goodness of God, Jesus strongly inferred that he is just a teacher and a prophet. In John 8:28, Jesus stated, "I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things." Therefore, Jesus was himself taught by his God and Father. Needing to be taught by God means that Jesus is not omniscient and didn't inherently know the things he himself was teaching until he was taught.

Therefore, Jesus denied being God.

Your reasoning is faulty. Jesus claimed to be good and even sinless. "I am the Good Shepherd." Therefore He claimed to be God. You added the word "absolute", which is not in the text. "Which of you convicts Me of sin?"

Also I think you are interpreting the story wrong. The man obviously thought Jesus was good, but that He was not God. If he thought He was God, he would have addressed Him as "Lord" or maybe even "God". Instead the man believed that Jesus was just a "good teacher". Jesus knew that man did not believe He was God.
Essentially Jesus is asking him, "If you don't believe I'm God, then why do you call Me "Good teacher"?