Jesus claimed exclusivity

Pancho Frijoles

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I'm opening this thread in order to discuss the sense of exclusivity found on many of Jesus claims, and those of his apostles.
I would like to invite @JoshebB to the discussion.
The aim of the thread is just to exchange views and understand a bit better why we believe what we believe. This may eventually cast light on our shared nature as humans seeking God and enjoying his grace.

I am not a Christian. I am a Baha'i. As a result, I consider as Manifestations of the Word of God several persons with distinct, historical identities, like Noah, Abraham, Zoroaster, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, Bahá'u'lláh, among others.

I am aware of the claims of exclusivity made by Jesus and his apostles in many aspects.
I see this as completely natural for a Manifestation of God at a given time and circumstance.
Competing leaders and competing messages that could mislead people must be considered false messiahs, false teachers, false gospels.

If I could summarize my position (that I can elaborate as we advance in the dicussion) I believe there is only one eternal gospel, One Way, and correspondingly, one set of instructions that makes sense to... and must be followed by... a given group of people at a given time of history ( a set that often includes temporary laws, rituals, symbols, or secondary discourses). The Messenger who represents this Only Way, this Only Gospel, has all the right to demand exclusivity.
 
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I'm opening this thread in order to discuss the sense of exclusivity found on many of Jesus claims, and those of his apostles.
I would like to invite @JoshebB to the discussion.
The aim of the thread is just to exchange views and understand a bit better why we believe what we believe. This may eventually cast light on our shared nature as humans seeking God and enjoying his grace.

I am not a Christian. I am a Baha'i. As a result, I consider as Manifestations of the Word of God several persons with distinct, historical identities, like Noah, Abraham, Zoroaster, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, Bahá'u'lláh, among others.

I am aware of the claims of exclusivity made by Jesus and his apostles in many aspects.
I see this as completely natural for a Manifestation of God at a given time and circumstance.
Competing leaders and competing messages that could mislead people must be considered false messiahs, false teachers, false gospels.

If I could summarize my position (that I can elaborate as we advance in the dicussion) I believe there is only one eternal gospel, One Way, and correspondingly, one set of instructions that makes sense to... and must be followed by... a given group of people at a given time of history ( a set that often includes temporary laws, rituals, symbols, or secondary discourses). The Messenger who represents this Only Way, this Only Gospel, has all the right to demand exclusivity.
What do you think Jesus meant when he said, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through me"? That's a pretty extraordinary and very exclusive assertion on JC's part. He makes that statement during what Christians call the "last supper," after Judas has left to go betray Jesus. He'd be dead the next day, and he knew it.

John 13:31-14:11
Therefore, when he had gone out, Jesus said, "Now is the Son of Man glorified, and God is glorified in him; if God is glorified in him, God will also glorify him in Himself, and will glorify him immediately. Little children, I am with you a little while longer. You will seek me; and as I said to the Jews, now I also say to you, 'Where I am going, you cannot come.' A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another. Simon Peter said to him, "Lord, where are you going?" Jesus answered, "Where I go, you cannot follow me now; but you will follow later." Peter said to him, "Lord, why can I not follow you right now? I will lay down my life for you." Jesus answered, "Will you lay down your life for me? Truly, truly, I say to you, a rooster will not crow until you deny me three times. Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to myself, that where I am, there you may be also. And you know the way where I am going." Thomas said to him, "Lord, we do not know where you are going, how do we know the way?" Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through me. If you had known me, you would have known my Father also; from now on you know Him and have seen Him." Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own initiative, but the Father abiding in me does His works. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves.
Jesus did not say he was a way, implying there might be multiple ways to God (the Father). He claimed to be THE way and the only way. Neither did he say it was his example, his commands, or his philosophy that was the way to God; he claimed it was him, his personhood. No one could come to God except through him. His words aren't exclusive simply because he said he was the only way to God; they are also exclusive because he is implicitly saying he is God, the same as God, one with God. This was not the only time Jesus implied his equality with God.

In his previous trip to Jerusalem Jesus had made similar claims and was almost stoned because of it.

John 5:1-18
After these things there was a feast of the Jews, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. Now there is in Jerusalem by the sheep gate a pool, which is called in Hebrew Bethesda, having five porticoes. In these lay a multitude of those who were sick, blind, lame, and withered, [waiting for the moving of the waters; for an angel of the Lord went down at certain seasons into the pool and stirred up the water; whoever then first, after the stirring up of the water, stepped in was made well from whatever disease with which he was afflicted.] A man was there who had been ill for thirty-eight years. When Jesus saw him lying there, and knew that he had already been a long time in that condition, he said to him, "Do you wish to get well?" The sick man answered Him, "Sir, I have no man to put me into the pool when the water is stirred up, but while I am coming, another steps down before me." Jesus said to him, "Get up, pick up your pallet and walk." Immediately the man became well and picked up his pallet and began to walk. Now it was the Sabbath on that day. So the Jews were saying to the man who was cured, "It is the Sabbath, and it is not permissible for you to carry your pallet." But he answered them, "He who made me well was the one who said to me, 'Pick up your pallet and walk.'" They asked him, "Who is the man who said to you, 'Pick up your pallet and walk'?" But the man who was healed did not know who it was, for Jesus had slipped away while there was a crowd in that place. Afterward Jesus found him in the temple and said to him, "Behold, you have become well; do not sin anymore, so that nothing worse happens to you." The man went away and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well. For this reason the Jews were persecuting Jesus, because he was doing these things on the Sabbath. But he answered them, "My Father is working until now, and I myself am working." For this reason, therefore, the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because he not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

John 10:22-39
At that time the Feast of the Dedication took place at Jerusalem; it was winter, and Jesus was walking in the temple in the portico of Solomon. The Jews then gathered around him, and were saying to him, "How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly." Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in my Father's name, these testify of me. But you do not believe because you are not of my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one." The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone you, but for blasphemy; and because you, being a man, make yourself out to be God." Jesus answered them, "Has it not been written in your Law, 'I said you are gods,'? If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), do you say of him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'? "If I do not do the works of my Father, do not believe me; but if I do them, though you do not believe me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father." Therefore, they were seeking again to seize him, and he eluded their grasp.

Either Jesus' making himself out to be God was true, or it was not true, and if the latter then we have reason not to believe anything he said.

There are a lot of religious people throughout history who have claimed to be earthly manifestations of God but that's not the point about which I am asking. Logically speaking, it's possible for God to appear as any creature He so chooses but it's not okay for Him to say Manifestation A and Manifestation B or Manifestation Q or W are the only way to Him because that would be self-contradictory. Only one of those manifestations could possibly be correct, and it might not actually be any of them. In Jesus' own day there were many claiming to be the way to God, some of them are even mentioned in the Bible (Theudas, Judas of Gallilee, Hymenaeus, Philetus, Alexander, and Demas). Similarly, many religious figures have asserted their teachings are the way to wherever those following his teachings are supposed to arrive. Buddha, for example, wasn't hung up on the existence of gods or a God and expressed both disbelief and belief in any god, asking his followers why it is they felt the existence of any god was of necessity for achieving enlightenment. He eschewed worship as a deity and, along with Zarathushtra Spitama, Confucius, Laozi, Muhammad, and many others taught it was his/their teaching, their philosophy that was the way to God/god/some greater ideal. In more recent times (relatively speaking) leading up to and during the 19th century there was a huge explosion of religious leaders who asserted either they were God, or their teachings were the way to God. They would include (but are not limited to) Kondratiy Selivanov, Ann Lee, William Miller, Ellen White, Joseph Smith, Alí Muḥammad, Bahá'u'lláh, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, Arnold Potter, and William Davies. More recent iterations would include Haile Selassie I, Sun Myung Moon, Charles Manson, Jim Jones, David Koresh, Hogen Fukunaga, and Yang Xiangbin. Whether they made themselves out to be God or gods, Christ or christs, because many of these individuals' teachings contradict the teachings of others, they cannot all be correct.


What do you make of Jesus claim to be the way to God and no one could come to God but by him?
 
Hi @JoshebB

I think that, in the face of competing false messiahs in his time, who had led people thorugh false messages to destruction, Jesus wanted to make clear that He was the only true Messiah, and his Message the only effective way to bring the Kingdom of God.

He did not imply that Moses or Noah had not been true Messengers of God, or that their respective messages were not the Way and the Truth and the Life.
He also did not imply He had taught everthing, and that no further teaching from God was needed.
 
Hi @JoshebB

I think that, in the face of competing false messiahs in his time, who had led people thorugh false messages to destruction, Jesus wanted to make clear that He was the only true Messiah, and his Message the only effective way to bring the Kingdom of God.
Okay, but the word "messiah," simply means "anointed one." There are many anointed ones in the Bible and Jesus was not denying their anointing. The implication of Jesus claiming to be the only way to God necessarily implies all the other anointed ones (whether truly being anointed ones, or falsely being anointed ones) they were not the way to God; neither they personally, nor their teachings or philosophy of life. Post #3 does not actually solve the problem of Jesus' self-claimed exclusivity.
He did not imply that Moses or Noah had not been true Messengers of God, or that their respective messages were not the Way and the Truth and the Life.
Neither Noah nor Moses claimed to be the way to God and we're talking about all religions, not just Judaism or Christianity. John 14:6, if taken literally, would mean neither Mohommed nor Islam is the way to God. Neither are Buddha, the Buddha's teachings or the religion of Buddhism. Laozi, Confucius, Mahavira, Hazmi ibn Ali, Guru Nanak, Geroge Fox, John Thomas, Charles Taze Russell, Baha'u'llah, Joseph Smith, Marcus Garvey, John Frum, Wallace Fard Muhammad, Sun Myung Moon (to name only a few) and all the other religious founders are necessarily excluded. It doesn't matter who they were/are or what they taught if they taught something other than Jesus being the only way to God. Islam accepts Jesus as a prophet, but the reject his deity (claiming the relevant Bible verses are perversions of God's revelation) but hold him as one of many prior prophets, with Muhammad ibn Abdullah ibn Abd al-Muttalib ibn Hashim considered THE prophet of God, the preeminent prophet, not Jesus. If what Jesus said is true and correct then all the rest are wrong, and if what Jesus said is incorrect then not only is Jesus wrong but no one else should consider anything else he said true of correct. Christians, Islamists, the Baha'i, the JWs and the LDSes are all wrong to consider him anything remotely related to getting anywhere near to God.
He also did not imply He had taught everthing, and that no further teaching from God was needed.
Which is a red herring. Jesus did not say a lot of things. He did not say three-horned purple-striped corn-flammerjerbbers taught everything, either. He did not say Pancho Frijoles taught everything or JoshebB taught everything. What he did not say could fill an infinite number of posts in an infinite number of threads in and infinite number of forums' worth of posts. That sentence, logically speaking, is called an argument from silence, or argumentum ex silentio and it is a logical fallacy. It has absolutely no place in this conversation. Discard it from your thinking.






Let's give the original inquiry another try.

What are we to make of Jesus' claim to be the way to God, and no one could come to God but by him?

It's an exclusive claim. It instantly creates a very blunt dichotomy: either he is correct and everyone else is wrong, or he and any and all religious views accepting him as any part of the way to God are all wrong (including Baha'i) and any number of alternatives might be correct.
 
Okay, but the word "messiah," simply means "anointed one." There are many anointed ones in the Bible and Jesus was not denying their anointing. The implication of Jesus claiming to be the only way to God necessarily implies all the other anointed ones (whether truly being anointed ones, or falsely being anointed ones) they were not the way to God; neither they personally, nor their teachings or philosophy of life.
Hi Josheb

Thanks for the very productive conversation. Let me make my comments to different sections of your posts using different posts. I find that way easier for me to get organized and hopefully easier for you to read and reply.

Being the Only True Messiah (among competing ones) was extremely important in that historical context. Only a true Messiah would take Israel back to God, spiritually and materially. There was supposed to be one King from the seed of David to establish one unified Kingdom, nor two or more. Following the right Messiah all the way to the establishment of the Kingdom of God implied following specific commandments, instructions from the leader or lord (Jesus).

In other words, Jesus couldn't have claimed "I am the Only Way, but not the Only True Messiah", because being the Only True Messiah was equivalent to being the Only Way to salvation of Israel*

*NOTE: Let's remember that salvation meant restoration of a spiritual condition of Israel before God, and restoration a material condition before the nations of the world. The concept of salvation of the soul from a lake of fire in the afterlife was not part of the messianic expectation as taught in the Tanakh.


Post #3 does not actually solve the problem of Jesus' self-claimed exclusivity.

I don't know if it "solves it", but I am convinced it goes in the right direction. Here is why

Claiming "I am the Way to God" has no literal relevance separated from "My Cause, My Message, My Example is the Way to God".
Imagine we are present at that time and hear Jesus telling us "I am the Way, I am the Life, I am the Truth, I am the Door" etc.
What would that imply for us?
We cannot literally use neither his body nor his mind to come to God. We can't eat his body or drink his blood or transfer his brain output to ours. The only natural interpretation, I guess, is to think that He is showing the Way. That he is leading the Way. How?

Well, here is when we come to the meaning of "I am the Life". There are reasons in the gospels to think that when He says "I am the Life", he means "The Words I speak are Life, if you follow them"
"The words that I speak to you are spirit and are life." (John 6:63).

We can explore this concept further, as it is very crucial of our understanding of Jesus mission and salvation.
 
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Let's give the original inquiry another try.

What are we to make of Jesus' claim to be the way to God, and no one could come to God but by him?

It's an exclusive claim. It instantly creates a very blunt dichotomy: either he is correct and everyone else is wrong, or he and any and all religious views accepting him as any part of the way to God are all wrong (including Baha'i) and any number of alternatives might be correct.

I agree 100% with you in the exclusivity placed in the term "the..."
Perhaps we still don't agree on the meaning of "way"

To me, "way" means the way to live. The method followed, the teaching applied, the religion experienced.
In the apostolic era, "The Way" was equivalent to the life that was characteristic of the early Christians. It was their religion (in the true and deep sense of religion). We can see this in Acts 19:23, Acts 22:4, Acts 24:14.

So, when Jesus says "I am the Way", he meant "My religion is the Way". "My way to think, speak and most importantly, make things, is the Way".

Coming to God with a broken heart asking forgiveness is the Way. Coming to God with arrogance and self-rigtheousness is not.​
Living the life of the spirit is the Way. Living the life of the flesh is not.​
Helping those in need is the Way. Ignoring them is not.​

There is absolutely no meaningful concept of the sentence "I believe that Jesus is The Way", other than following his example.
In this sense, a Tibetan peasant who lives the life of Jesus Christ, even if he has never heard of Jesus Christ, follows Jesus Christ as The Way.

This could sound very dangerous to the ears of some Evangelical leaders
If it is all about living as per the example of Jesus Christ... why did I study Theology for many years? How could I justify the missions abroad? How could I justify my salary? What am I doing wasting my time in debates on Internet like this one?
We can approach these implications later on, if you wish.
 
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Neither Noah nor Moses claimed to be the way to God... Jesus did not say a lot of things.... That sentence, logically speaking, is called an argument from silence, or argumentum ex silentio and it is a logical fallacy.
Let me consolidate these two sections of your post around the argument from silence.

I claim that Noah and Moses were also the Only Way to God. You say they didn't make that claim.
I could also claim here that you're making an ex silentio fallacy. :)

In the case of Noah, the only way to escape destruction was to pay heed to Noah and get a place with him and his family in the arc. In a time where everyone was wicked, Noah is called in the Bible "Perfect", "Righteous".
Whatever competing message and messenger existed in Noah's time and circumstance, it had to be ruled out, in order to be saved. Believing that a flood would come implied believing the truth. Following Noah advice meant saving one's life.
Noah was The Way, The Truth and The Life.

The case of Moses is also very evident. Disobeying Moses was disobeying God. Accepting Moses was accepting God. No exception allowed. Rebellion was punished by death. The entire people of Israel asked Moses to intercede for them in order to be saved. They did not ask this to Aaron or Mary. It was Moses or nobody. Moses was The Way, The Truth and The Life.

God is One. He admits no competition. The eternal gospel is One. It admits no competition. And the Messenger of God conveying that gospel is one. He does not admit competition. The exclusivity of the Messenger derives not from any intrinsic historical identity of the Messenger, but from the divine origin and veracity of the Message.
 
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John 14:6, if taken literally, would mean neither Mohommed nor Islam is the way to God. Neither are Buddha, the Buddha's teachings or the religion of Buddhism. Laozi, Confucius, Mahavira, Hazmi ibn Ali, Guru Nanak, Geroge Fox, John Thomas, Charles Taze Russell, Baha'u'llah, Joseph Smith, Marcus Garvey, John Frum, Wallace Fard Muhammad, Sun Myung Moon (to name only a few) and all the other religious founders are necessarily excluded.
As you say, John 14:6, if taken literally, would mean that.
But there is no reason to take it literally, as Jesus Christ is a Person, and not a "Way", "Door", or "Light". All these are metaphors pertaining to His Message.

Let me take as example this last metaphor, "The Light of the World", from John 8:12. I will highlight the metaphor in red, and the explanation Jesus gave to that metaphor in green.

Again, Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world.
Whoever follows Me shall not walk in the darkness, but shall have the light of life.”
Why is then meaningful to believe that Jesus is "The Light of the World"?
Well, because if we truly believe He is such light, we will follow him. We will walk the way he walked. We will live as He lived. We will love as he loved. Believing He is The Light of the World is devoid of meaning if we don't walk as He walked.

It is in this context that we can understand that it is not only Jesus who is the Light of the World. You, JoshebB, are also the light of the world, when you do what Jesus taught you to do. Jesus is telling you:


"You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do men light a candle and put it under a basket, but on a candlestick. And it gives light to all who are in the house. Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works and glorify your Father who is in heaven.

Why was Jesus the Light of the World? Because He spoke the things and did the things that His Father ordered Him to speak and do. If you do the same, JoshebB, you are also the light of the world.
Evidently, the extent to which Jesus obeyed his Father is not comparable with the limited, imperfect way we do it in our daily lives. My point is that such sayings do not refer primarily to the Messenger, but to the Message conveyed and lived (personified) by the Messenger.
 
Which is a red herring. Jesus did not say a lot of things. He did not say three-horned purple-striped corn-flammerjerbbers taught everything, either. He did not say Pancho Frijoles taught everything or JoshebB taught everything. What he did not say could fill an infinite number of posts in an infinite number of threads in and infinite number of forums' worth of posts. That sentence, logically speaking, is called an argument from silence, or argumentum ex silentio and it is a logical fallacy. It has absolutely no place in this conversation. Discard it from your thinking.
An argument of silence, although obviously does not prove that a future revelation would be needed, already leaves the possibility for future revelation, since the Bible itself is characterized by revelations happening over the course of many centuries, with no messenger having shut the door for any future messenger. In other words, no "silence" from any messenger had prevented God from speaking again.

However, it is not only that Jesus does not shut the door. He makes positive statements.
Jesus said He had not taught everything he wanted to teach, because his audience was not prepared.
However, a Counselor, "Another Comforter" would come to guide "teach everything", guide into "all truth", and "remind" of what had been already taught.

I have yet many things to tell you, but you cannot bear them now. But when the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all truth. (John 16:12)
But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you everything and remind you of all that I told you. (John 14:26)

In the Book of Revelation ( a revelation made about 60 years after Jesus death) Christ reveals two future "witnesses".
The characteristics of these two future witnesses remind those of Jesus Himself. Let's look in Revelation chapter 11:

  • They are prophets of God (let's remember that Jesus is also called Prophet in the Book of Acts, quoting Moses)
  • They receive power from God
  • They exert this power over the elements and the earth (shut the heavens and send plagues as they wish)
  • They stand before God (Christ sits on the right hand of God)
  • They are killed by a wicked power/government
  • They are raised from the dead
  • They ascend to heaven
 
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I am not a Christian.
And since you demonstrate absolutely no understanding of Biblical Christianity, nothing you say here is of any importance whatsoever.

Jesus, and specifically FAITH (Eph 2:8,9) in His SIN OFFERING on calvary is the only way whereby a human can be cleansed from their SIN, establish a relationship with God, and avoid being consigned, upon their physical death, to an eternity of HELL/Lake of fire.

Bahai is nothing more than "Just another" totally satanic, completely phony human attempt at creating a "Religious system", which leads nowhere..
 
And since you demonstrate absolutely no understanding of Biblical Christianity, nothing you say here is of any importance whatsoever.

Jesus, and specifically FAITH (Eph 2:8,9) in His SIN OFFERING on calvary is the only way whereby a human can be cleansed from their SIN, establish a relationship with God, and avoid being consigned, upon their physical death, to an eternity of HELL/Lake of fire.

Bahai is nothing more than "Just another" totally satanic, completely phony human attempt at creating a "Religious system", which leads nowhere..
God bless you and your family and friends, Bob, with health, wealth, and the joy of his presence.
May you keep growing in Christ and bearing the fruits of the spirit.
This is a good bye.
I am hovering over your name and ckicking on “Ignore”. That means I will not be able to read you anymore.
 
God bless you and your family and friends, Bob, with health, wealth, and the joy of his presence.
May you keep growing in Christ and bearing the fruits of the spirit.
This is a good bye.
I am hovering over your name and ckicking on “Ignore”. That means I will not be able to read you anymore.
That's O.K. Since you're spreading satan's doctrines, I'm sure he wouldn't appreciate anything I say.
 
So, when Jesus says "I am the Way", he meant "My religion is the Way". "My way to think, speak and most importantly, make things, is the Way".
No-that's reading into the text-Its going to become increasingly difficult for you to defend your religion with the Messiah of Scriptures @Pancho Frijoles

Ἐγώ εἰμι ἡ ὁδός" (Egō eimi hē hodos)
Word-by-Word Analysis:

Ἐγώ (Egō):

Grammar: First-person singular nominative pronoun, "I".
Morphology: Explicitly nominative case, emphasizing the subject.
Syntax: Used here emphatically, as "ἐγώ" is not always necessary in Greek (often implied in the verb), but its presence stresses "I" as the personal, sole fulfillment of the statement.
εἰμι (eimi):

Grammar: First-person singular present indicative verb, meaning "am."
Morphology: Present tense and active voice, indicating a continuous state of being.
Syntax: Serves as the copula (linking verb), connecting the subject "I" with the predicate "the Way." The use of "eimi" is crucial, as it emphasizes an ongoing, present reality of Jesus as "the Way."
ἡ (hē):

Grammar: Feminine singular nominative definite article, "the".
Morphology: Nominative case, agreeing with "hodos" (the Way) to indicate a specific, defined path.
Syntax: Signals that "Way" (hodos) is not indefinite or generic; it is "the" specific way, with definite boundaries.
ὁδός (hodos):

Grammar: Feminine singular nominative noun, meaning "way" or "path."
Morphology: Singular nominative, agreeing with the article "hē" and functioning as the predicate nominative linked to "I" through "am."
Syntax: As the predicate nominative, it defines Jesus’ identity not just as a teacher or example but as the singular, exclusive path.
Syntax and Theological Emphasis:

The "I am" (Ἐγώ εἰμι) construction reflects the Old Testament self-identification of God (e.g., Exodus 3:14, "I AM WHO I AM"), adding theological weight to Jesus' claim. This structure subtly but powerfully identifies Jesus with divine authority.
Definite article "hē" emphasizes uniqueness, showing that Jesus is not one way among others but the exclusive path to the Father, establishing an exclusivist soteriology.
The noun "ὁδός" in its singular, definite form presents Jesus as the only true direction to God, unlike various other "ways" or philosophies.

J.
 
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: As the predicate nominative, it defines Jesus’ identity not just as a teacher or example but as the singular, exclusive path.

But what does Jesus Christ being the singular, exclusive path means to you, Johann, not in metaphors, but in practice? That's the key issue.
If a Person who claimed to be Sent by God, told you that He was "The Way, The Truth, The Life", What were you supposed to do if you assented to such claim?

I can't think but in a single consistent reaction: to follow Him. He would now become your Leader.
If He asked you to keep paying taxes to the Romans, you would do it.
If He asked you to do good to people in need on Sabbaths, defying the Pharisees, you would do it.
If He asked you to repent from your sins and live like a peaceful man loving your neighbors, you would do it.
Whatever He asked you to do, you would do it.

If someone else came to you proposing a different plan to establish the Kingdom of God, like asking you to plot against the governor of Judea, or leave your family and live in a cave, or sell your house and hand the money to the priests... you would not follow that person.
That's the claim of exclusivity of Christ as Way, Life, Truth, Light, Door of the Sheep, Shepherd, Word of God, Savior, etc.
Jesus was the Only One to be followed, in the face of competing options.

In several passages, Jesus makes clear that what He cares about, when presenting his credentials as true Messiah, is for us to follow what He asks us to do. We can go through those verses if you find it interesting.

A Way that is not walked, A Truth that is not practiced, a Life that is not Lived, a Light that is not followed, represents the denial of Jesus as the Way, the Truth, the Life and the Light of the Word.
 
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But what does being the singular, exclusive path means to y
In several passages, Jesus makes clear that what He cares about, when presenting his credentials as true Messiah, is for us to follow what He asks us to do. We can go through those verses if you find it interesting.

A Way that is not walked, A Truth that is not practiced, a Life that is not Lived, a Light that is not followed, represents the denial of Jesus as the Way, the Truth, the Life and the Light of the Word.

ou, Johann, not in metaphors, but in practice? That's the key issue.
If a Person who claimed to be Sent by God, told you that He was "The Way, The Truth, The Life", What were you supposed to do if you assented to that statement?
To answer this question @Pancho Frijoles , I’d start by acknowledging the core implications of Jesus’ statement, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life,” found in John 14:6. The depth of these words in practice calls for complete commitment to His teachings, acknowledging that all paths to God, ultimate truth, and life itself are embodied in Christ. It’s not merely a metaphor but an invitation to align every aspect of life to His example and commandments. A STYLE OF LIFE!

In practical terms, this means prioritizing His teachings in daily decisions, ethical actions, and attitudes toward others. If I genuinely assent to His being "the Way," it follows that I would orient my values, decisions, and hopes around Him, seeking Him as my guide. Being "the Truth" means recognizing His teachings as my standard of reality, which requires actively filtering out any beliefs or practices that contradict His message. As “the Life,” it entails looking to Him as the source of spiritual sustenance, meaning, and purpose.

In short, if I accept Jesus' claim, it calls for a life shaped by active discipleship—following, learning from, and trusting Him, not just as a distant ideal, but as the One whose path I willingly and wholeheartedly embrace.

I absolutely concur-A Way that is not walked, A Truth that is not practiced, a Life that is not Lived, a Light that is not followed, represents the denial of Jesus as the Way, the Truth, the Life and the Light of the Word.

Now, can we work with the Scriptures brother.

J.
 
No-that's reading into the text-
Of course that's reading into the text. We must do it. Otherwise, taking those words literally wouldn't translate into any action, any impact on our lives.

If Jesus says "I am the Way", obviously he is not saying he is a literal road or highway. He is telling us something else.

So we should start asking "To Whom does that way take me to?" "Why would I be interested in taking that way, or any way to such destiny, to start with?" "What are the specific actions that imply moving my feet along that road?"

Jesus said He was the Way to a specific destination: The Father.
Why would you want to go to the Father? What is the Father for you? How can you "use" (so to speak) Jesus as a road to the Father?
All those reflections are part of "reading into the text", and apply to many other sayings of Jesus.
 
If Jesus says "I am the Way", obviously he is not saying he is a literal road or highway. He is telling us something else.

So we should start asking "To Whom does that way take me to?" "Why would I be interested in taking that way, or any way to such destiny, to start with?" "What are the specific actions that imply moving my feet along that road?"

Jesus said He was the Way to a specific destination: The Father.
Why would you want to go to the Father? What is the Father for you? How can you "use" (so to speak) Jesus as a road to the Father?
All those reflections are part of "reading into the text", and apply to many other sayings of Jesus.
You're right-when Jesus says, 'I am the Way,' He’s speaking about much more than a literal road. Instead, He's presenting Himself as the living path to knowing and reconciling with God the Father. The questions you raise are key to understanding what this means for our lives and faith.

Jesus isn't just a set of teachings to follow; He is the way through whom we approach and relate to God. He doesn’t just show the path but embodies it, guiding us to experience God personally. In practical terms, this means trusting Him, learning from His life, and seeking to live as He did—filled with love, humility, and faithfulness. This journey isn’t about religious performance but about growing in relationship with the Father, who is the source of life, love, and purpose.

"Desiring to 'go to the Father' is about seeking the ultimate source of love, purpose, and life. For Christians, the Father isn’t an abstract deity but a personal, loving God who created and sustains us. Knowing the Father means entering into a relationship with the One who deeply cares for us, who guides, forgives, and heals. This is a relationship that goes beyond mere belief-it’s about being restored and experiencing God’s love in a way that changes us.

Jesus as 'the Way' isn’t something we 'use' like a tool; instead, He is the living connection to the Father.

Through Jesus, who lived, died, and rose again, we’re invited into a close, trusting relationship with God. Jesus didn’t just point out a path; He is the path because His life, His sacrifice, and His resurrection remove the separation caused by sin and enable us to be reconciled to God.

So, going to the Father means seeking the fullness of life, love, and meaning that only He can give. And through Jesus, we’re able to approach God not with fear but with confidence, knowing that we are accepted and loved."

So, 'the Way' isn’t simply about our actions but about transformation through Jesus, who invites us to know the Father as He does. Through Him, we find direction, purpose, and connection with the Father, who desires us to be part of His family."

Again-
Grammar: Feminine singular nominative noun, meaning "way" or "path."
Morphology: Singular nominative, agreeing with the article "hē" and functioning as the predicate nominative linked to "I" through "am."
Syntax: As the predicate nominative, it defines Jesus’ identity not just as a teacher or example but as the singular, exclusive path.
Syntax and Theological Emphasis:

The "I am" (Ἐγώ εἰμι) construction reflects the Old Testament self-identification of God (e.g., Exodus 3:14, "I AM WHO I AM"), adding theological weight to Jesus' claim.

This structure subtly but powerfully identifies Jesus with divine authority.
Definite article "hē" emphasizes uniqueness, showing that Jesus is not one way among others --but the exclusive path to the Father, establishing an exclusivist soteriology.

The noun "ὁδός" in its singular, definite form presents Jesus as the only true direction to God, unlike various other "ways" or philosophies.

When you are ready we can work with the Scriptures @Pancho Frijoles

J.
 
Being "the Truth" means recognizing His teachings as my standard of reality, which requires actively filtering out any beliefs or practices that contradict His message.
I agree 100%.
Now, the "catch" comes when understanding the method Jesus gave us to filter out, or detect, the false teachers.
The "catch" also comes when understanding what "contradiction" means.

FIRST "CATCH"

To the first "catch", I find Jesus advice very explicit, in that we would tell the false teachers from the true teachers by examining their fruits. Jesus was so explicit, that He dared to say that a good tree CANNOT bear bad fruit, or viceversa. In this Forum, some people have expressed their concern that the method indicated by Jesus is not very effective. They believe that they can tell the true from the false teachers based on their theological orthodoxy. They believe that people can "trick" us into believing that their fruits are good, when they are not. That Satan can pass by angel of light behaving as a good guy when in fact he is not.
I firmly oppose this thinking and uphold Christ's method based on fruits, as I believe that Beelzebub cannot make a person bear the fruit of the spirit, nor viceversa.

SECOND "CATCH"

To the second "catch", contradiction does not necessarily mean saying something "different", but something opposed.
For example, Jesus never ordered to stop circumcision. He Himself was circumcised.
However, we have the apostles telling us, some years later, that circumcision is not that relevant... that it can skipped because the relevant circumcision is that "of the heart".
So, the question is: Were the apostles contradicting what Scripture had left very explicit? (Let's remember that, in the Torah, circumcision is called a permanent covenant with all descendants of Abraham, for all generations).

Another example: Moses never gave a law to get baptized for the remission of sins. Remissions of sins were associated with other rituals in the tabernalce. So, was John The Baptist (and then Jesus, and then his apostles) contradicting the Torah? Were they adding their own things to the Torah? With what authority?
 
SECOND "CATCH"

To the second "catch", contradiction does not necessarily mean saying something "different", but something opposed.
For example, Jesus never ordered to stop circumcision. He Himself was circumcised.
However, we have the apostles telling us, some years later, that circumcision is not that relevant... that it can skipped because the relevant circumcision is that "of the heart".
So, the question is: Were the apostles contradicting what Scripture had left very explicit? (Let's remember that, in the Torah, circumcision is called a permanent covenant with all descendants of Abraham, for all generations).

Another example: Moses never gave a law to get baptized for the remission of sins. Remissions of sins were associated with other rituals in the tabernalce. So, was John The Baptist (and then Jesus, and then his apostles) contradicting the Torah? Were they adding their own things to the Torah? With what authority?
The “Permanent” Covenant of Circumcision: Torah, Hebrew Syntax, and Apostolic Teaching
Circumcision in Genesis 17:10-14 is called an ‘olam berit’ (עוֹלָם בְּרִית), meaning an “everlasting covenant.” The Hebrew term עוֹלָם (olam) indeed often means “forever,” but it can also imply “for an age” or “for a long period.”

In many parts of the Torah, olam is used with a sense of lasting only until God’s purpose in that command is fulfilled, as seen in sacrificial and ritual laws that are also called olam yet are understood as symbolic, pointing forward to something deeper.

The Apostles were addressing circumcision not as a removal of its symbolic importance but as a change in the scope and means of the covenant. In Acts 15, the Jerusalem Council, aware of the Torah’s teaching, determined that circumcision was not a requirement for Gentile converts.

Paul elaborates in Romans 2:29 and Galatians 5:6 that the “true circumcision” is one of the heart, an inward transformation by the Spirit, which circumcision pointed to but did not fulfill. Paul’s Greek phrase in Romans, περιτομὴ καρδίας (peritomē kardias), or “circumcision of the heart,” emphasizes the deeper spiritual change over the external ritual.

Paul’s and the Apostles’ teachings show not a contradiction but a fulfillment of the covenant’s purpose through Christ. Circumcision served as a symbol of separation and dedication to God, but in Christ, that separation is achieved spiritually rather than ritually. This is seen not as contradicting the Torah but as expanding on its ultimate intention.

2. Baptism and Remission of Sins: John the Baptist’s and Jesus’ Authority
Regarding baptism, the Hebrew Bible does contain cleansing rituals, known as tevilah (טְבִילָה), immersion practices required for purification, though not explicitly for “remission of sins” as in the New Testament. Levitical law (Leviticus 15, Numbers 19) describes rituals that cleanse from impurities, which included water immersions, though not directly as forgiveness.

John the Baptist’s call to baptism “for repentance” (Greek: βάπτισμα μετανοίας, baptisma metanoias in Mark 1:4) and Jesus’ instruction in Matthew 28:19 carry a new focus. John’s and Jesus’ baptism symbolized repentance, marking a transition from mere purification to a deliberate turning away from sin and preparation for the kingdom. This was not adding to the Torah but presenting a necessary practice for the new covenant, with baptism symbolizing the washing away of sin in preparation for God’s promised salvation.

The Greek term metanoia (μετάνοια) means a fundamental change of heart or repentance, going beyond ritual purity to signify inner transformation. Jesus’ baptismal command in Matthew 28 uses a participle, βαπτίζοντες (baptizontes), indicating an ongoing action as part of discipleship.

3. Authority of John and the Apostles in Instituting New Rituals
John the Baptist and the Apostles had authority rooted in prophetic fulfillment and Christ’s commission. John, often seen as the last of the Old Testament prophets, came in the spirit of Elijah (Malachi 4:5-6, Matthew 17:11-13), bridging the Old Covenant to the New. Jesus, who claimed all authority (Matthew 28:18), transferred His authority to His Apostles, authorizing them to make disciples and baptize.

The Apostles viewed baptism not as a contradiction but as the visible sign of entering the new covenant in Christ. Paul articulates this in Romans 6:4, where he describes baptism as a burial and resurrection with Christ, symbolizing the believer’s new life in Him.

Fulfillment Rather than Contradiction
The Apostles’ teachings on circumcision and baptism represent an unfolding of the Torah’s purpose, not a negation. Circumcision was a lasting sign, but as Paul argues, its fulfillment is seen in Christ and the Spirit’s work within.

Baptism, introduced by John and expanded by Jesus, did not replace the Torah’s commands but reoriented purification toward repentance and new life in Christ.

Therefore, rather than contradicting the Torah, these teachings are seen within Scripture as the outworking of God’s promise to bring a new covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-34), a transformation of law and covenant into their fulfilled reality in Christ.
FIRST "CATCH"

To the first "catch", I find Jesus advice very explicit, in that we would tell the false teachers from the true teachers by examining their fruits. Jesus was so explicit, that He dared to say that a good tree CANNOT bear bad fruit, or viceversa. In this Forum, some people have expressed their concern that the method indicated by Jesus is not very effective. They believe that they can tell the true from the false teachers based on their theological orthodoxy. They believe that people can "trick" us into believing that their fruits are good, when they are not. That Satan can pass by angel of light behaving as a good guy when in fact he is not.
I firmly oppose this thinking and uphold Christ's method based on fruits, as I believe that Beelzebub cannot make a person bear the fruit of the spirit, nor viceversa.
Jesus' teaching about identifying true and false teachers through their “fruits” is indeed clear and significant, especially in light of the way He defines the term. In Matthew 7:15-20, Jesus says, "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits." The phrase “by their fruits” uses the Greek term καρπῶν (karpon), meaning literal or figurative “fruit,” indicating observable results or outcomes from a person’s life and character.

1. The Syntax and Greek Structure of “You Will Know Them by Their Fruits”
The Greek phrase “ἐκ τῶν καρπῶν αὐτῶν ἐπιγνώσεσθε αὐτοὺς” (ek tōn karpōn autōn epignōsesthe autous) in Matthew 7:16 uses the preposition ἐκ (ek), meaning “from” or “by,” to emphasize that the fruit arises directly from the nature of the tree. The verb ἐπιγνώσεσθε (epignōsesthe) is a form of ἐπιγινώσκω (epiginōskō), meaning “to recognize, to discern, or to understand.” This syntax suggests that the true nature of someone’s spiritual life will be discernible over time by what their actions naturally produce.

2. Jesus’ Definition of “Good Fruit” and “Bad Fruit”
In Matthew 7:18, Jesus says, "A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit.” The Greek word for “good” here is ἀγαθὸν (agathon), meaning inherently good, beneficial, or upright. The word for “bad” is σαπρὸν (sapron), often meaning “corrupt” or “rotten,” suggesting a nature that is morally compromised. According to Jesus, the source, or “tree,” determines the type of fruit. In Galatians 5:22-23, Paul expands on what “good fruit” looks like, listing “the fruit of the Spirit” as love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. These characteristics align with Jesus’ teachings, showing that true spiritual fruit reflects God’s character.

3. The Hebrew Understanding of “Fruit” in Spiritual Life
In Hebrew thought, peri (פְּרִי), meaning “fruit,” also carries this idea of outcomes from one’s inner nature or heart. For instance, in Proverbs 11:30, “The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life,” emphasizes that what comes forth from a righteous person nourishes and blesses others, mirroring God’s life-giving attributes. This Hebrew perspective underlines the consistency between one’s inner character and their outward actions, which Jesus’ audience would have understood.

4. The Problem with Focusing Only on Theology Without “Fruit”
While sound doctrine is important, the New Testament teaches that it must align with godly living.
In Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus warns that many will say, “Lord, Lord,” claiming to have done miracles in His name, yet He will declare, “I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.” The term “lawlessness” here (ἀνομία or anomia) reflects a lifestyle lacking godly obedience.

This highlights that correct theology alone, without a transformed heart and actions, fails Jesus' standard.

1 John 4:1-3 also encourages believers to “test the spirits” by examining whether they confess Jesus as Lord. The Greek word for “test,” δοκιμάζω (dokimazō), implies a testing of authenticity or genuineness, not only in belief but in behavior consistent with the Spirit of Christ.

5. Can Satan Mimic Good Fruit?
While Satan can disguise himself as an “angel of light” (2 Corinthians 11:14), Paul clarifies that this deception lacks the authenticity of Spirit-given fruit. A temporary act of goodness does not produce the Spirit’s lasting fruit, which must originate from a transformed nature. The Greek term used in this passage, μετασχηματίζεται (metaschēmatizetai), means “to change outwardly” or “to disguise,” indicating a superficial alteration that does not reach the heart’s nature. True spiritual fruit is consistent and enduring, rooted in genuine transformation through the Holy Spirit, as opposed to deceptive appearances.


In conclusion, Jesus’ directive to evaluate teachers “by their fruits” provides a practical and reliable method. While theological accuracy is crucial, genuine character transformation, demonstrated by godly fruit, is essential in distinguishing true teachers. The consistent fruit of the Spirit reflects God’s nature and can’t be authentically produced by those not truly transformed by Him. Jesus' teaching on fruit assures believers that outward acts alone do not deceive those grounded in His truth and Spirit. This perspective aligns with the Hebrew and Greek understandings, reinforcing that good fruit arises only from a good tree.

J.
 
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