Do you know the real Jesus?

Matthew 23 (NIV)
9And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
is not the Lord Jesus in Heaven, while on Earth? John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." while on earth he, JESUS was in heaven.

and the scripture states, Malachi 2:10 "Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?" and the term "Father" means "CREATOR, and John 1:3 clearly states, JESUS is the CREATOR, "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

so, try something else.

101G.
 
Whoever said they were being prayed to? No commentator I have seen agrees with you. Actually, Expositor's Greek Testament commentary on Revelation 5:13 disagrees with you completely. You don't seem like much of an orthodox Trinitarian anymore. From the time we have been here talking, you have moved further to the fringe. You have to because you're scraping the bottom of the barrel at this point and getting desperate for any validation. You have none, dear Tom.

Expositor's Greek Testament commentary on Revelation 5:13
"Compare the fine rabbinic saying of Rabbi Pinchas and R. Jochanan on Psalm 100:2 : “though all offerings cease in the future, the offering of praise alone shall not cease; though all prayers cease, thanksgiving alone shall not cease."
Sorry worship

Ver. 13. From the whole creation a third doxology rises, catching up the last word (εὐλογίᾳ) of the preceding, and addressed—as in the primitive and distinctive confessions of early Christianity (e.g., John 17:3, 1 Tim. 2:5) to God and Jesus alike (7:10)

James Moffat, “The Revelation of St. John the Divine,” in The Expositor’s Greek Testament: Commentary (vol. 5; New York: George H. Doran Company, n.d.), 5387.

Doxology - Wikipedia


A doxology (Ancient Greek: δοξολογία doxologia, from δόξα, doxa 'glory' and -λογία, -logia 'saying') is a short hymn of praises to God in various forms of Christian worship, often added to the end of canticles, psalms, and hymns

They were offered the same worship

John 5:23 (KJV 1900) — 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
 
John 17 (NIV)
1After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
the only true God? that's the Lord Jesus...... Listen and Learn, Revelation 21:22 "And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it." two different persons? NO. fo the Lord God is JESUS the Lamb. and here's why. Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:" he, sent his angel. and the angel who was sent said, Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done." the Lord God sent his angel, so who is the Lord God by NAME that sent his angel? answer, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

so the Lord God is "JESUS", and the Lamb is who? "JESUS", so the Lord God and, and, and, the Lamb is the same one person. which means in John 17:3 it's the SAME PERSON. ....... check ..... and mate.

101G
 
Rev 12 explains both the war in heaven and the birth of Gods kingdom in heaven= Rev 6:2
WHAT? #1 God is not BORN. 2. a false gospel was spread by the white horse rider.
now.... let 101G educate you on these horseman....
First, Let’s get the background to these four Judgments to verify our discussion of these four beast/living creatures, The book of, Ezekiel 14:21 "For thus saith the Lord GOD; How much more when I send my four sore judgments upon Jerusalem, the sword, and the famine, and the noisome beast, and the pestilence, to cut off from it man and beast?”

we see the same four judgment here in Revelation chapter 6. they are connected to the four beasts who reveal them to us by the Lord Jesus in opening the seals for our understanding. Listen closely and lets line up the Judgments with the beast/living creatures, and the four horseman.

In Ezekiel 14:21 God give 4 judgments,
1.the sword, Revelation chapter 6, the Red horse rider. The beast/living creature, the Calf/Oxen, chapter 4
2.the famine, Revelation chapter 6, the Black horse rider. The beast/living creature, the Man, Chapter 4
3.the noisome beast, Revelation chapter 5, the White horse rider. The beast/living creature, the lion, chapter 4
4.the pestilence, Revelation chapter 6, the Pale horse rider. The beast/living creature, the flying eagle, chapter 4

Now we can see all four beast/living creatures in relation to each of the four Judgment.

In Revelation, John wrote of 4 horsemen, which clearly identifies with Ezekiel 14:21 Judgments. Let’s look at theses four Judgments/horsemen in much more detail to grasp the understanding of their "works". These first four judgments are directed at Jerusalem, so can these four Judgment in the book of revelation be directed at the some of the seven churches in chapter 2 & 3? I’m not saying either way, but what the word reveals let it reveal it. Now lets go back to the book of Ezekiel and get a good look at these four Judgments.

The book of Ezekiel gives us the answers to the four beasts

Ezekiel 14:21 "For thus saith the Lord GOD; How much more when I send my four sore judgments upon Jerusalem, the sword, and the famine, and the noisome beast, and the pestilence, to cut off from it man and beast?
Ezekiel 14:22 "Yet, behold, therein shall be left a remnant that shall be brought forth, both sons and daughters: behold, they shall come forth unto you, and ye shall see their way and their doings: and ye shall be comforted concerning the evil that I have brought upon Jerusalem, even concerning all that I have brought upon it.
Ezekiel 14:23 "And they shall comfort you, when ye see their ways and their doings: and ye shall know that I have not done without cause all that I have done in it, saith the Lord GOD.

yes, God use evil, to accomplish his cause in respond to certain conditions.

THE FAMINE: the third horseman, revealed by the third beast, the “face of the man”, the black horse rider.
Ezekiel 14:12-14 "The word of the LORD came again to me, saying, verse 13 "Son of man, when the land sinneth against me by trespassing grievously, then will I stretch out mine hand upon it, and will break the staff of the bread thereof, and will send famine upon it, and will cut off man and beast from it: verse 14 "Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD. (one might want to read that again).

THE NOISOM BEAST: the first horseman, revealed by the first beast, the “face of the Lion”, the white horse rider.
Ezekiel 14:15 & 16 "If I cause noisome beasts to pass through the land, and they spoil it, so that it be desolate, that no man may pass through because of the beasts: verse 16 "Though these three men were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither sons nor daughters; they only shall be delivered, but the land shall be desolate.

THE SWORD: the second horseman, revealed by the second beast, the “face of Calf/Oxen, the red horse rider.
Ezekiel 14:17 & 18 "Or if I bring a sword upon that land, and say, Sword, go through the land; so that I cut off man and beast from it: verse 18 "Though these three men were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither sons nor daughters, but they only shall be delivered themselves.

THE PESTILENCE: the fourth horseman, revealed by the fourth beast, the “Face of a flying Eagle, the pale horse rider.
Ezekiel 14:19 & 20 "Or if I send a pestilence into that land, and pour out my fury upon it in blood, to cut off from it man and beast: verse 20 "Though Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness.

LET'S UNDERSTAND THIS ..... Noisome BEAST. using the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia from the bible portal.
noi´sum ( הוּה , hawwāh , רע , ra‛ ; κακός , kakós ): "Noisome" from "annoy" ( annoysome ) has in Bible English the meaning of "evil," "hurtful," not of "offensive" or "loathsome." It is the translation of hawwāh , "mischief," "calamity" ( Psalm 91:3 , "noisome pestilence," the Revised Version (British and American) "deadly"); of ra‛ , a common word for "evil" (Ezekiel 14:15 , Ezekiel 14:21 ), "noisome beasts" (the Revised Version (British and American) "evil"). It occurs also in Job 31:40 the King James Version margin as the translation of bo'shāh , "noisome weeds," the King James Version and the Revised Version (British and American) "cockle," as in the King James Version margin; of kakos , "evil," "bad" (Revelation 16:2 ), "a noisome and grievous sore." "Noisome" also occurs in Apocrypha (2 Macc 9:9) as the translation of barúnō , "to make heavy," "oppress," where it seems to have the meaning of "loathsome."

are we understanding the white horse rider better now?

KEEP THIS POST, COPY IT FOR FUTURE REFERENCES.

101G.
 
The darkness does not know the light. They do not have holy spirit thus have become-a house divided( hundreds of trinity religions) will not stand.
Funny as it stands for two thousand years.,

BTW scripture refutes your active force belief.

Can you insult, lie to an inactive force?

Does it hear and speak?

You have let the Watchtower think for you.
 
the only true God? that's the Lord Jesus...... Listen and Learn, Revelation 21:22 "And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it." two different persons? NO. fo the Lord God is JESUS the Lamb. and here's why. Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:" he, sent his angel. and the angel who was sent said, Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done." the Lord God sent his angel, so who is the Lord God by NAME that sent his angel? answer, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

so the Lord God is "JESUS", and the Lamb is who? "JESUS", so the Lord God and, and, and, the Lamb is the same one person. which means in John 17:3 it's the SAME PERSON. ....... check ..... and mate.

101G
God and Jesus aren’t the same person. Which verse gave you that idea?
 
Love Jesus but I know he isn’t God. Jesus taught us Christians love the Lord with all of our heart. You completely disagree with this.
if you love the Father more than Jesus then I question your theology. You cannot have One without the Other.

To seee Jesus is to see the Father- They are One. If you do not give the same honor to the Son you dishonor the Father.

Bible Basics 101.
 
if you love the Father more than Jesus then I question your theology. You cannot have One without the Other.

To seee Jesus is to see the Father- They are One. If you do not give the same honor to the Son you dishonor the Father.

Bible Basics 101.
Sounds like you’re telling me to stop loving God.
 
God and Jesus aren’t the same person. Which verse gave you that idea?
since you cannot read by reason the verses give, well try these. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God." John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
ALL THINGS WAS MADE BY THE WORD, THE Lord JESUS. Now this, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

the LORD, all cap "MADE ALL THINGS" here in Isaiah, and in John 1:3 the Word, the Lord, "MADE ALL THINGS", if this is not the same one person, then one has two creators. which by definition is polytheism.

101G.
 
To all,
this topic states, "Do you know the real Jesus?". well 101G challenge all to really ask themselves by SCRIPTURE, if they really believe who the Lord Jesus really is. 101G has always said, "God, (JESUS), is one person diversified in flesh, in TIME, PLACE, ORDER, and RANK." this solves the two titles, and the one Epithet of the One Person God who hold all two Titles..... which are "Father", and "Son".

in the term "Father" there is only "ONE PERSON" who is Father, and that's the LORD JESUS, in the ECHAD of "FIRST". and the same ONE PERSON who is "SON", is .... "ALSO" the "LAST", the same one person in the ECHAD, or is the DIVERSITY of himself in flesh.

the scriptures clearly support this. Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," Clearly only "ONE" person made all thins which include man, (Male and Female). and this ONE person refers to himself before he came in Flesh and before he was Diversified or made the ECHAD of himself.

101G.
 
no I'm saying the love for the Son is the same as the love for the Father- to honor one is to honor the other. They are inseparably One.
No one ever said to love Jesus with all of their heart, mind, soul, and strength like they did of God. They said to love God the most and love our neighbor as ourselves, and love Jesus more than father or mother. Sorry, that's what the Bible says. Yes I love Jesus more than my father and mother according to the commandment. I am doing it right.
 
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No one ever said to love Jesus with all of their heart, mind, soul, and strength like they did of God. They said to love God the most and love our neigh as ourselves, and love Jesus more than father or mother. Sorry, that's what the Bible says. Yes I love Jesus more than my father and mother according to the commandment. I am doing it right.
if you worship God .... do you not Love him? scripture, Revelation 19:4 "And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia." now this, Listen Carefully, the angel who was sent is speaking. Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done." Revelation 22:7 "Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book." Revelation 22:8 "And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things." Revelation 22:9 "Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God."

the angel said "WORSHIP GOD", right. is not the Lord God of the holy prophets, ..... is GOD? yes. and who is the Lord God? answer the Lord JESUS. see Revelation 22:6 and 16 again.

101G.
 
since you cannot read by reason the verses give, well try these. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God." John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
ALL THINGS WAS MADE BY THE WORD, THE Lord JESUS.
You know, I have refuted your interpretation of these verses by simply pointing out what they actually say. Since I've already did that and here you are quoting them again, I think you must be referring to something else.

Let's go through it again.

John 1:2-3 refers to the God the Word was with as the "Him " through which all things were made. So that would mean the Word is not the creator. All things being from and through the Father is Bible 101.

John 1
2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Ephesians 4
6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

1 Corinthians 8
6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
Now this, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
I don't believe you have bad reading comprehension, you're just stuck on a highly biased interpretation and that alone will prevent someone from actually reading something correctly. Read what I just said above. The Creator is God, not the Word, in Scripture.
the LORD, all cap "MADE ALL THINGS" here in Isaiah, and in John 1:3 the Word, the Lord, "MADE ALL THINGS", if this is not the same one person, then one has two creators. which by definition is polytheism.

101G.
Yes, God did make all things, not the Word. John 1:2-3 proves such.
 
You know, I have refuted your interpretation of these verses by simply pointing out what they actually say. Since I've already did that and here you are quoting them again, I think you must be referring to something else.

Let's go through it again.

John 1:2-3 refers to the God the Word was with as the "Him " through which all things were made. So that would mean the Word is not the creator. All things being from and through the Father is Bible 101.

John 1
2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Ephesians 4
6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

1 Corinthians 8
6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

I don't believe you have bad reading comprehension, you're just stuck on a highly biased interpretation and that alone will prevent someone from actually reading something correctly. Read what I just said above. The Creator is God, not the Word, in Scripture.

Yes, God did make all things, not the Word. John 1:2-3 proves such.
LOL, the word is God.

101G
 
WHAT? #1 God is not BORN. 2. a false gospel was spread by the white horse rider.
now.... let 101G educate you on these horseman....
First, Let’s get the background to these four Judgments to verify our discussion of these four beast/living creatures, The book of, Ezekiel 14:21 "For thus saith the Lord GOD; How much more when I send my four sore judgments upon Jerusalem, the sword, and the famine, and the noisome beast, and the pestilence, to cut off from it man and beast?”

we see the same four judgment here in Revelation chapter 6. they are connected to the four beasts who reveal them to us by the Lord Jesus in opening the seals for our understanding. Listen closely and lets line up the Judgments with the beast/living creatures, and the four horseman.

In Ezekiel 14:21 God give 4 judgments,
1.the sword, Revelation chapter 6, the Red horse rider. The beast/living creature, the Calf/Oxen, chapter 4
2.the famine, Revelation chapter 6, the Black horse rider. The beast/living creature, the Man, Chapter 4
3.the noisome beast, Revelation chapter 5, the White horse rider. The beast/living creature, the lion, chapter 4
4.the pestilence, Revelation chapter 6, the Pale horse rider. The beast/living creature, the flying eagle, chapter 4

Now we can see all four beast/living creatures in relation to each of the four Judgment.

In Revelation, John wrote of 4 horsemen, which clearly identifies with Ezekiel 14:21 Judgments. Let’s look at theses four Judgments/horsemen in much more detail to grasp the understanding of their "works". These first four judgments are directed at Jerusalem, so can these four Judgment in the book of revelation be directed at the some of the seven churches in chapter 2 & 3? I’m not saying either way, but what the word reveals let it reveal it. Now lets go back to the book of Ezekiel and get a good look at these four Judgments.

The book of Ezekiel gives us the answers to the four beasts

Ezekiel 14:21 "For thus saith the Lord GOD; How much more when I send my four sore judgments upon Jerusalem, the sword, and the famine, and the noisome beast, and the pestilence, to cut off from it man and beast?
Ezekiel 14:22 "Yet, behold, therein shall be left a remnant that shall be brought forth, both sons and daughters: behold, they shall come forth unto you, and ye shall see their way and their doings: and ye shall be comforted concerning the evil that I have brought upon Jerusalem, even concerning all that I have brought upon it.
Ezekiel 14:23 "And they shall comfort you, when ye see their ways and their doings: and ye shall know that I have not done without cause all that I have done in it, saith the Lord GOD.

yes, God use evil, to accomplish his cause in respond to certain conditions.

THE FAMINE: the third horseman, revealed by the third beast, the “face of the man”, the black horse rider.
Ezekiel 14:12-14 "The word of the LORD came again to me, saying, verse 13 "Son of man, when the land sinneth against me by trespassing grievously, then will I stretch out mine hand upon it, and will break the staff of the bread thereof, and will send famine upon it, and will cut off man and beast from it: verse 14 "Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD. (one might want to read that again).

THE NOISOM BEAST: the first horseman, revealed by the first beast, the “face of the Lion”, the white horse rider.
Ezekiel 14:15 & 16 "If I cause noisome beasts to pass through the land, and they spoil it, so that it be desolate, that no man may pass through because of the beasts: verse 16 "Though these three men were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither sons nor daughters; they only shall be delivered, but the land shall be desolate.

THE SWORD: the second horseman, revealed by the second beast, the “face of Calf/Oxen, the red horse rider.
Ezekiel 14:17 & 18 "Or if I bring a sword upon that land, and say, Sword, go through the land; so that I cut off man and beast from it: verse 18 "Though these three men were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither sons nor daughters, but they only shall be delivered themselves.

THE PESTILENCE: the fourth horseman, revealed by the fourth beast, the “Face of a flying Eagle, the pale horse rider.
Ezekiel 14:19 & 20 "Or if I send a pestilence into that land, and pour out my fury upon it in blood, to cut off from it man and beast: verse 20 "Though Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness.

LET'S UNDERSTAND THIS ..... Noisome BEAST. using the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia from the bible portal.
noi´sum ( הוּה , hawwāh , רע , ra‛ ; κακός , kakós ): "Noisome" from "annoy" ( annoysome ) has in Bible English the meaning of "evil," "hurtful," not of "offensive" or "loathsome." It is the translation of hawwāh , "mischief," "calamity" ( Psalm 91:3 , "noisome pestilence," the Revised Version (British and American) "deadly"); of ra‛ , a common word for "evil" (Ezekiel 14:15 , Ezekiel 14:21 ), "noisome beasts" (the Revised Version (British and American) "evil"). It occurs also in Job 31:40 the King James Version margin as the translation of bo'shāh , "noisome weeds," the King James Version and the Revised Version (British and American) "cockle," as in the King James Version margin; of kakos , "evil," "bad" (Revelation 16:2 ), "a noisome and grievous sore." "Noisome" also occurs in Apocrypha (2 Macc 9:9) as the translation of barúnō , "to make heavy," "oppress," where it seems to have the meaning of "loathsome."

are we understanding the white horse rider better now?

KEEP THIS POST, COPY IT FOR FUTURE REFERENCES.

101G.
I didn't say God was born-you did. I said the birth of Gods kingdom in heaven when Jesus sits on the throne after he gets the crown here at Rev 6:2--His first move = the war in heaven, he kicks satan out of heaven forever--its called the presence- Matt 24:37--1Cor 15:23-- Philip 2:12-- 2Pet 1:16
Your rendition of the 4 riders is twisted darkness.
 
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