James' Teaching On Justification: Before Men Or Before God?

You dont need to say that word for word.
You teach salvation is a moment in a persons life when they first believe on Jesus.
You said that's how you were saved.
You also teach after this you are OSAS.
So unless you want to go against your gospel and teach one must keep on believing to stay saved, I stand by what I said.
There is a moment in a person's life when they first believed on Jesus and became saved, and genuine saving belief in Jesus continues and so does salvation. I believe in eternal security of the believer, but I don't believe in eternal presumption. Some folks believe in vain. (1 Corinthians 15:1-2) I stand by the gospel and teach that saving belief continues and is not some shallow, temporary belief that has no root, produces no fruit and withers away. Sadly, many make believers think they are genuine believers but are deceived.
 
Which is it Dan?
Faith alone with no obedience to Gods commandments that save?
Or faith that obeys God in working Gods commandments like building an ark that saves.
It's faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation that saves. God imputes righteousness apart from works. (Romans 4:5-6) Obedience to God's commandments follow having been saved through faith and are the demonstrative evidence that we have come to know Him. (1 John 2:3) You place the cart before the horse and teach salvation by works. By building the ark, Noah saved himself and his family from drowning, yet Noah had already found grace in the eyes of the Lord and was a just man who walked with God BEFORE he built the ark. (Genesis 6:8,9) His obedience was a demonstration of his faith but not the origin of it. You still just don't get it.

Which is it Titus? Are we saved by grace through faith and not by works? (Ephesians 2:8,9) Or are we saved by grace through faith AND works? Let the boasting begin for Titus.
You need to make up your mind.
Dan if those actions/ obedience to Gods commandments dont follow are you really saved?
Can a man really get to heaven if all he ever had was his belief alone.
Belief in Jesus Christ alone for salvation (Romans 4:5-6) does not imply that obedience to God's commandments afterwards will never happen. (1 John 2:3-4) Obedience to God's commandments after we have been saved through faith is the demonstrative evidence that we know God. Why is this so hard for you to figure out?
 
Of course, it will all be burned up as self-glorification and idolatry.

Please repent of your own righteousness and your lowly permissive God who requires no atonement before it is too late.

I have NEVER denied the Atonement. How about repenting of your false charges against me or gather two or three witnesses to establish your claim.

Repent and honor the Cross as God's righteousness that destroys every meriting work of man.

The work of God in Christ merited our redemption. We were bought with a price. The work we now does has nothing to do with earning anything. It is a matter of debt. If you understood what I've been saving the "willing servant", you would understand this. Willingness is everything.

For they being ignorant of God's righteousness,
and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. (Rom. 10:3-4 NKJ)

I'm a hypocrite. You're a hypocrite. We are all hypocrites because we say and do not. Surely you've recognized this in yourself after all these years of struggling to prove yourself to men?

It's not worth going to hell just because God doesn't save people the way we think he should.

I'm not going to hell. God would have all men come to the knowledge of the truth to be saved. Knowledge is everything. Israel was destroyed for their lack of knowledge. Know God. Know ourselves.

The FEAR of God is the BEGINNING of wisdom and knowledge.

I remember a good man say... "perfect love casts out fear" and that "fear has torment". He was very bold in declaring "he that fears is not made perfect in love".

Yet here you are insisting that I fear God. I long past fearing God like I once did. I suppose you're still at the beginning yourself?

Pay attention to what you read.
 
Give book chapter and verse on repentance.
Until then I'm not interested in your opinions.

Luk 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Fruit must be produced before repentance is granted.

Jesus also identifies their issue with believing that the faithfulness of Abraham was their own.

Every man shall bare their own burden.

Gal 6:3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
Gal 6:4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.
Gal 6:5 For every man shall bear his own burden.
 
Dan denies that repentance is a work.
Now Dan is accusing me of lying because I taught that Pedofiles can be saved in his gospel.
That is not only a straw man argument. That is slander! You are a dishonest person. I have already said that we must first repent (change our mind) before we can believe the gospel and become saved. For someone to say that they truly believe the gospel but never repented is an oxymoron just as saying one has truly repented but they don't believe the gospel is also an oxymoron. Repentance toward God and faith in our Lord Jesus Christ are two sides to the same coin. (Acts 20:21) Inseparable. What you call obedience is actually salvation by works which is  not true Biblical repentance
Dan, any sin that one stops committing is a work of repentance.
You deny any works required in your gospel to be saved.
It logically follows that a Pedofile does not need to do any works to be saved, therefore pedophiles can continue in their sin if they only believe.

They will, be saved in your religion because no works are required.

Dan do you not understand that stopping, turning away from sin is Biblical repentance?
Do you not understand that repentance is a work?
Others on here do.
Repentance... as a command takes work.
You understand? If you dont do the work then you have not repented.


I'm tired of listening to your repeated ignorance about Biblical repentance.
You desperately try to get works our of repentance to prove a false gospel to be true.
You cannot prove what is false to be true.

Biblical Repentance: A Work of Faith in Christ​

Dan repeatedly teaches the same errors.
His no commandment keeping to be saved gospel forces him into teaching fallacious fables to justify salvation by not working the commandments of God.

Dan if I could teach you anything THIS IS WHAT I WANT YOU TO LEARN !!!!
Please open your mind, and listen to what you  must learn.
Failure to accept what I'm about to teach you will keep you repeating the same theological error.
If you fail to learn this, you will continue to stay spiritually blind.

Repentance is a work. Accept what Jesus and His apostles teach, Acts 2:42.

To understand repentance is a work one must learn that what a person  does is their works.
In Scripture a work is simply something done, an action or deed, especially one that is done in obedience to Gods commands.

Dan, Until you learn this fact. You will never understand why you constantly contradict yourself.

1.)
Listen to Paul,
Romans 2:6,
- God will repay each person according to what they have done

The word done in this verse is literally  works in the greek!!!!
Dont deny this Dan, otherwise you are deny the word!!!
Look up the Greek in Romans 2:6 if you dont believe me.

Follow the logic.

Keeping commandments =  doing.
According to Paul doing is works.

Keeping/doing the commandments God gives us is literally an act of obedience.
Dan, you already admitted repentance is an  act.

if you claim again repentance is not a work you will continue to contradict yourself.

2. )
Heres the connection:
Deuteronomy 30:14,
- but the word is very near you...so that you may DO it

The command given to do as God instructs in His word.

Nehemiah 9:14,
- You made known to them Your holy Sabbath and gave them commandments by which they were to live

God gives commandments in His word. We must do/work the commandments in His word.

3.)
Jesus calls commandment keeping works.
John 6:28-29,
- They said to Jesus, what must we do that we might work the works of God
- Jesus answered them, this is the  work of God that you believe(action) in Him

Even believing is called a work by Jesus.
Belief is a new testament commandment. Therefore it must be something we  do in obedience.
1John 3:23-24,
- and this is Gods commandment that we should believe(action) on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another

Both believing in Jesus and loving everyone is commanded in Jesus' new testament gospel.
Love is what we do. Our work of love. Our work of belief.

4.)
Paul ties Works to Law- keeping.
Paul repeatedly refers to keeping the Law(keeping commandments) as works of the law.

Galatians 2:16,
- by the works of the law(old testament law) shall no flesh be justified.

The old law as well as the new law contains commandments.
Keeping them is doing them. Doing Gods commandments = works!!!

5.)
Examples: Commandments are called Works.
Paul says love fulfills the law. Then quotes commandments.

Romans 13:8-10,
- you shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder...and whatever other  command there may be...love is the fulfillment of the law

Keeping these commandments(old testament) requires effort, action which are works.

6.)
Jesus and the rich young ruler.
Matthew 19:16-18,
- what good thing shall I  do that I may have eternal life
- Jesus said, If you want to enter life keep the commandments


Dont deny this Dan!!! Jesus does teach you must do works to have eternal life.
Your religion would NEVER teach what Jesus teaches.
Dont try to explain this away.

7.)
James 2:17-24 - Works and Obedience
James uses Rahab and Abraham as examples of people justified by  works.
Which were there obedience to what God commanded.

- Was not Abraham our father justified by  works when he offered Isaac his son...
- faith without works is dead

Obeying Gods  commands like sacrificing Isaac or helping the spies are called  works

Final Proof:

Commandments are works because,
They require action and obedience.
Scripture refers to obedience as  doing or working.
Paul, Jesus, James all tie commandment keeping with works.

Therefore anyone keeping Gods commandments is doing works even if those works are not meritorious or sufficient to earn salvation.



You want to continue to deny that repentance is NOT a work Dan?
You want to continue to deny that one  must work Gods commandments to be saved eternally?
Why are you going against the true gospel of Jesus Christ?

Acts 17:30-31,
- and the times of this ignorance God overlooked but,
now COMMANDETH ALL MEN EVERYWHERE TO REPENT

- because He hath appointed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom He hath ordained unto all men in that He hath raised Him from the dead

How will you be judged Dan for denying one must do, obey, work repentance as God commanded to recieve salvation, eternal life?

You teach a man made, young , false gospel out of the protestant movement.

Jesus told Paul he must do things in His new testament gospel to wash away his sins.
Jesus never taught no works in His gospel to be saved.
Which logically is a salvation by belief alone and no obedience to the gospel.
 
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"Grace means sin can't send you to hell."
exactly. Because jesus paid the penalty for all sin
Said Jesus never.

Modern Free Grace is whack.
If Grace does not pay for sin. You and I and everyone living will go to hell

Because we can not pay for our sin.

The wage of sin is death, without the shedding of blood there can be no forgiveness.

if you think you being good on this day will cause God to forgive 1 sin, If you believe you doing this work or that work will cause God to forgive even one sin, you are deceived
 
Which is it Titus? Are we saved by grace through faith and not by works? (Ephesians 2:8,9) Or are we saved by grace through faith AND works? Let the boasting begin for Titus.
So there is a difference between works one does to earn salvation versus obedience to God's will. This is a distinction many refuse to make and seem to want to make obedience to God's will a work of merit.
 
It's faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation that saves. God imputes righteousness apart from works. (Romans 4:5-6) Obedience to God's commandments follow having been saved through faith and are the demonstrative evidence that we have come to know Him. (1 John 2:3) You place the cart before the horse and teach salvation by works. By building the ark, Noah saved himself and his family from drowning, yet Noah had already found grace in the eyes of the Lord and was a just man who walked with God BEFORE he built the ark. (Genesis 6:8,9) His obedience was a demonstration of his faith but not the origin of it. You still just don't get it.

Which is it Titus? Are we saved by grace through faith and not by works? (Ephesians 2:8,9) Or are we saved by grace through faith AND works? Let the boasting begin for Titus.

Belief in Jesus Christ alone for salvation (Romans 4:5-6) does not imply that obedience to God's commandments afterwards will never happen. (1 John 2:3-4) Obedience to God's commandments after we have been saved through faith is the demonstrative evidence that we know God. Why is this so hard for you to figure out?
sadly

he preaches works, then denies he teaches works

when you have someone that continues to do this.. All we can really do is turn them over.. Because they can not even see their own contradistinctions.
 
I teach obedience to the gospel of Jesus Christ to be saved.
The gospel contains commandments.
These commandments must be obeyed.
When one obeys the gospel commandment of repentance for example, Acts 17:30-31.
They have worked the works of God.
Yes I absolutely teach works are involved in salvation.
The faith only religion turned works into a filthy word.
I have no problem with Jesus and the apostles teaching.

Works of obedience, James 2:24 justify.
Never works of merit that one would boast about, Ephesians 2:8-9.

Eternally Grateful likes to make stuff up about me.
Like I hide that I teach works are involved in salvation.
Works themselves cannot save.
Grace saves. And God requires obedient faith to receive His grace. Grace is conditional.
sadly

he preaches works, then denies he teaches works
I teach grace through obedient faith saves, Ephesians 2:8-9.
Works are our obedience.
God never promised grace to the disobedient.
Only to those who obey the gospel of Jesus Christ will be saved, Hebrews 5:8-9; 2Thessalonians 1:8.
 
Exactly. I've planted more than enough seeds already and only the Lord can open his eyes to the truth .
Dan, your gospel has pedophiles that do not have to work repentance, can be saved.
They do not need to do Gods commandments. Only believe and no obedient works.
You are spiritually blind.
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12,
- and for this cause God shall send them strong delusion that they should believe a lie,
That they might be danmed who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness
 
I teach obedience to the gospel of Jesus Christ to be saved.
The gospel contains commandments.
These commandments must be obeyed.
When one obeys the gospel commandment of repentance for example, Acts 17:30-31.
They have worked the works of God.
Yes I absolutely teach works are involved in salvation.
The faith only religion turned works into a filthy word.
I have no problem with Jesus and the apostles teaching.

Works of obedience, James 2:24 justify.
Never works of merit that one would boast about, Ephesians 2:8-9.

Eternally Grateful likes to make stuff up about me.
Like I hide that I teach works are involved in salvation.
Works themselves cannot save.
Grace saves. And God requires obedient faith to receive His grace. Grace is conditional.

I teach grace through obedient faith saves, Ephesians 2:8-9.
Works are our obedience.
God never promised grace to the disobedient.
Only to those who obey the gospel of Jesus Christ will be saved, Hebrews 5:8-9; 2Thessalonians 1:8.
You have just put people under law my friend. Including yourself.

Good luck with that

and one more thing

Stop accusing people of slandering you by saying you teach works.

YOU TEACH WORKS.. this very post PROVES IT
 
If forgiveness has no CONDITIONS, congrats, you're a Universalist.
It does have a condition

But as many as have recieved him, to THEM he gave the power to become sons of God

Have you recieved him in faith. or are you still rejecting him, by trying to replace him with your good deeds?
Otherwise you "worked" for your salvation, lol.
Nope

it is the work of God we believe (john 6)

I boast in God. not self.

You want to keep boasting in self because you hate calvinism, feel free.

It will not get you saved.
 
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