Titus
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You are under law.
Get off this forum and study your Bible, Galatians 6:2
James' Teaching On Justification: Before Men Or Before God?
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Get off this forum and study your Bible, Galatians 6:2
praise_yeshua
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Ah... the "law" of the New Covenant.
The new work of the Potter. Written in our hearts....
The work that produces the words "Abba Father"........
Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Gal 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
Different law. Better promises. Efforts that originate from the heart and not from the flesh.
Dizerner
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I agree it has a condition and that's not works.
You cannot live literally any way you want and be saved.
Do NOT be deceived.
civic
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So works of righteousness saves while works of lawlessness loses one’s salvation .
How is that not works ?
How much works of righteousness is necessary to keep one saved ?
How much works of unrighteousness causes one to lose their salvation?
hope this helps !!!
praise_yeshua
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Correct.
I willingly admit that I'm not as good as many others. Yet, I don't believe God is looking for the "best performers". God can actually "make us stand". He could.... Paul even said this very thing.....
Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Yet, this isn't really about any of this. Not really.
It is all about how we see one another and how God sees us in this life among one another.
This is why I often say "this life is designed to break us".
How else do you train an independent mind to willingly chose good things?
Eternally-Grateful
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If I am under law. I will fail. and I will end up in hell
that goes for you too.
Deuteronomy 27:26
‘Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’ “And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ”
Gal 3: 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” 11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.
James 2:10
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
The law requires perfection.
Since man was not perfect. the law required sacrifice and the shedding of blood (without the shedding of blood therre can be no forgiveness)
Christ took the curse of the law in your place. You either recieve his sacrifice for your sin, or you try to work it out yourself. But I warn you. You will fail.
Eternally-Grateful
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You can not be saved by any way you live
You already have sinned and fallen short.
it is those who understand this fact and fall on their face like the tax collector did, that will be justified.
It is those who do not understand this fact. that will pump their chest like the pharisee, and will go home lost. and still in need of salvation.
You have bought the lie of satan that you can be good enough. Fact is, not only have you already failed to be good enough. You will never be good enough.
Fall on your face. not on your pride
Eternally-Grateful
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James 2:10
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
There is the standard we must keep if we want to be good enough.
if we even stumble and by accident, break one command. we are lost with no hope
Dizerner
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Nice straw man. No salvation without the merit of Christ.
You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. (Jas. 2:24 NKJ)
Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works (Rev. 2:5 NKJ)
And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end (Rev. 2:26 NKJ)
for I have not found your works perfect before God (Rev. 3:2 NKJ)
People better read Scripture and find out, instead of listening to Free Grace liars on YouTube.
Dizerner
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praise_yeshua
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praise_yeshua
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Ah... back to defining works....
Go for it. Define works. Be specific. What pleases you obviously pleases God.... right?
praise_yeshua
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Most people don't even recognize their own sin. They are always good at pointing at other's sins but never really deal with their own.
They love the laws that say "taste not, handle not". They prefer to talk about "those laws" while ignoring the laws that deal with mercy, longsuffering and forgiveness.
I've never gotten past the greatest and FIRST law myself.
"Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart and all that is within you......"
You would think that people would just admit this but they don't. It shows the rebellion in their hearts. The laws they appeal to are nothing but mirrors that should "self reflect" their own failures. They just keep "turning the mirror around" toward others.
Dizerner
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Dizerner
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I'm the one quoting Scripture.
You're the one taking a book out of the Bible and thinking you don't need the atonement to go to heaven.
civic
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Misquoting and misapplying it
I would gladly debate you one on one using these quotes by you. I am ready, if you are willing.
praise_yeshua
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praise_yeshua
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False witness. Seems you don't mind doing this....
I don't want to remove James. I've made that clear before. I'm just rightfully recognizing the problems with it. It is good to include evidence of the problems. The apostles were never perfect men and it silly to think "inspiration" is solely "thus saith the Lord".
I'll revisit this if you like. We can invite some of your peers and have an open debate.
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