brightfame52
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Its the imparting of life, spiritual life, a new creation. Forget about repentance when you dont have life and dont exist
Irresistible Grace
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synergy
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How can you possibly have forgiveness without repentance???? Tell us how that's possible. It's popcorn time.
brightfame52
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Through the Blood of Christ being shed for you Matt 26:28
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
synergy
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So repentance is useless? Your tolling is taking on new dimensions and severely contradicting Acts 2:38 as follows:
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brightfame52
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No. Its a precious gift from God
Don't you say man passive in everything in his life anyway, nothing active, including what you say?
brightfame52
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I say what I said
Passively?
brightfame52
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Concerning irresistible saving grace from the dead, Now can a dead person resist or refuse being made alive ? Could for example Lazarus had refused or resisted Christ will to make Him alive ? Did Lazarus have any choice to make in being made alive again ? Did he have any awareness of the fact Christ had will to make him alive ?
Lazarus didn't have any choice because he was dead. But live people can decide while they are lost but with prevenient grace. The salvation conversion itself there's nothing they can do about it. It is God's work.
But why do people need irresistable grace if they are all passively existing and passively deciding anyway?
brightfame52
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Duh now you see my point. Man naturally, is Dead to God in Spiritual matters related to salvation.
Man is dead in sin because he is deprived because he lost access to God, not lacking libertarian free will or depraved.
brightfame52
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Man is dead
Due to "Deprivity"/deprivation not Depravity.
brightfame52
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Due to sin. Man by nature is dead to God
Due to sin. Dead to God without prevenient grace.
brightfame52
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Grace makes alive from the dead.
Yes. Effectual grace.
brightfame52
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You said prevenient grace.. What does that mean ?
Prevenient grace opens access to God and effectually brings to a libertarian point of decision. Adam and Eve were blocked from returning to the garden. But not that they had no libertarian will to attempt to return.
If the decision is positive then God takes over and effectually saves. Man can't do the saving.
If not then prevenient grace gets lifted again and access is blocked.
Prevenient and effectual grace are essentially distinct phases of the same grace.
