Irresistible Grace

[FreeInChrist]

Im insisting that Grace is irresistible when it comes to Salvation, its Gods Power and it converts unto God, gives Faith in Christ Eph 3:7

: 7 whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

The word made γίνομαι:

1. to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being
2. to become, i.e. to come to pass, happen
   1. of events
3. to arise, appear in history, come upon the stage
   1. of men appearing in public
4. to be made, finished
   1. of miracles, to be performed, wrought
5. to become, be made

It means to cause to be or generate.

Thats what Grace does, it brings into existence.

Paul couldnt stop that from happening, it made him a new creature willing to believe in a serve Christ.

And so it is with all who believe on Christ 1 Tim 1:16

16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

Thhe same powerful grace that converted saul to Paul converts all that believe on Him to life everlasting.

And again.... Saul was chosen to become Paul; and do all that he did.

He served a purpose for God and ws chosen by God to fulfill that purpose.

Tell me... what task has God predetermined that you would do?

 

[brightfame52]

And again.... Saul was chosen to become Paul; and do all that he did.

He served a purpose for God and ws chosen by God to fulfill that purpose.

That applies to the whole Body of Believers. not just apostles 1 Cor 12:12-31

12For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

14For the body is not one member, but many.

15If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?

16And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?

17;If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?

18But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.

19And if they were all one member, where were the body?

20But now are they many members, yet but one body.

21And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

22Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:

23;And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.

24For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked.

25That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.

26;And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.

27Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

28And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

29Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

30Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

31But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

So its not just about Apostles, though they had a more eminent service for Christ, yet all the members serve a vital important part in the service of God, and He used the same Grace to place them in their service.

 

[FreeInChrist]

That applies to the whole Body of Believers. not just apostles 1 Cor 12:12-31

I agree that 1 Corinthians 12 teaches that all believers are part of one body and that God appoints different roles within it. But that chapter is addressing the diversity of spiritual gifts and functions within those who already believe — not the mechanism of how each person comes to faith.

Saul’s conversion in Acts 9 was extraordinary and uniquely tied to his apostolic calling. God intervened dramatically because Paul was chosen for a foundational role in redemptive history (cf. Gal 1:15–16). That doesn’t automatically establish that every individual conversion operates the same way or that grace is therefore irresistible in every case.

Ephesians 3:7 speaks of Paul’s ministry being empowered by God’s grace — again connected to his apostolic commission. It doesn’t explicitly state that grace cannot be resisted by those hearing the gospel.

If anything, Scripture also shows people resisting grace (Acts 7:51) and grieving the Spirit (Eph 4:30), which suggests that divine grace can be opposed.

So I would distinguish between:
• God sovereignly appointing roles within the body
• God sovereignly initiating salvation
• And whether individuals can resist that grace

Those aren’t identical categories.

So its not just about Apostles,

Correct. It includes prophets, Job, Noah, Moses, Adam, Ill even toss Nicodemus in on that one... maybe.
But you, nor I , nor anyone in these forums were giving a "work" to fulfill to make God's plan from beginning until Jesus returns of a real importance.... Those God needed and elected, were done so because he needed them... And yes... many I have not mentioned....

though they had a more eminent service for Christ, yet all the members serve a vital important part in the service of God, and He used the same Grace to place them in their service.

 

[brightfame52]

I agree that 1 Corinthians 12 teaches that all believers are part of one body and that God appoints different roles within it.

Then that makes my point, the same abundance and power of Grace that made Saul into the Apostle Paul, does also act abundantly towards all them who shall be saved in like manner, though not in the same service.

 

[brightfame52]

But you, nor I , nor anyone in these forums were giving a "work" to fulfill to make God's plan from beginning until Jesus returns of a real importance..

Speak for yourself, all believers as Paul had, a special lot of works by grace to walk in before they were born sinners. Eph 2:10

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them

These good works that believers should walk in, being ordained unto, God purposed before they were born, and their being created new in Christ was required, so He did everything needed to be done to fulfill his Purpose.

Man doesn't contribute nothing to the workmanship of God, that's Idolatry. The word for workmanship is poiēma:

1. of the works of God as creator

This was stated in the OT Isa 43 7

Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.

So be careful lest you find yourself claiming Glory that belongs only to God

 

[brightfame52]

Saul’s conversion in Acts 9 was extraordinary and uniquely tied to his apostolic calling. God intervened dramatically because Paul was chosen for a foundational role in redemptive history (cf. Gal 1:15–16). That doesn’t automatically establish that every individual conversion operates the same way or that grace is therefore irresistible in every case.

This thought process is opposed to and anti body1 Cor 12

14 For the body is not one member, but many.

15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?

16 ;And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?

17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?

18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.

19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?

20But now are they many members, yet but one body.

21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
The word necesasary anagkaios :
necessary

1. what one can not do without, indispensable

 

[TibiasDad]

I gave you my answer already Rom 5:10. And 1 Pet 3:15 is about telling about the Gospel hope, and I do that here everyday and all day, Rom 5:10 is my hope in the death of Christ and you cant receive it

10For if,

This is an if/then scenario, a hypothetical logical argument, that if A is true then B is also true.



…while we were God’s enemies,

This is a universal truth applicable to every single human born of Adam, no exceptions or exclusions.

we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son,

That is that we were now universally redeemable because of Christ

how much more, having been reconciled,

Again this is an assumptive argument, if, we have indeed, been reconciled


shall we be saved through his life!

Note the use of the future tense, as denoting a yet to be completed action. This will, indeed, happen, but it is held as true by faith.

I have no doubt that we have received it; but this is not entirely exclusive to believers- all have universally been reconciled, but only those who have believed shall be saved. Those who do not accept this reconciliation, who willfully reject it, are lost. All are able to be saved; all are able to believe; only those who are continually believers will be saved!


Doug

 

[brightfame52]

10For if,

This is an if/then scenario, a hypothetical logical argument, that if A is true then B is also true.



…while we were God’s enemies,

This is a universal truth applicable to every single human born of Adam, no exceptions or exclusions.

we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son,

That is that we were now universally redeemable because of Christ

how much more, having been reconciled,

Again this is an assumptive argument, if, we have indeed, been reconciled


shall we be saved through his life!

Note the use of the future tense, as denoting a yet to be completed action. This will, indeed, happen, but it is held as true by faith.

I have no doubt that we have received it; but this is not entirely exclusive to believers- all have universally been reconciled, but only those who have believed shall be saved. Those who do not accept this reconciliation, who willfully reject it, are lost. All are able to be saved; all are able to believe; only those who are continually believers will be saved!


Doug

You not talking about nothing

 

[TibiasDad]

You not talking about nothing

No, I am not talking about nothing, I’m talking about Rom 5:10 in detailed terms; something you are yet to do.

Doug