Irresistible Grace

[TomL]

No one is made alive by God, by Grace Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

even when we were [spiritually] dead and separated from Him because of our sins, He made us [spiritually] alive together with Christ (for by His grace—His undeserved favor and mercy—you have been saved from God’s judgment).AMP

You just ignored scripture again

One is made alive through faith

Eph 2:8–9 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

John 5:24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
John 11:25–26 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?”
1 John 5:11–12 And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Rom 10:9–10 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
John 3:36 He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

 

[TomL]

No its not. Faith is by Grace Rom 4:16

16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Man has no responsibility in his salvation, he is dead

Read

Romans 4:11–16 (KJV 1900) — 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: 12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. 13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: 15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. 16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

The point is clear: God graciously fulfills the promise to those who believe.

 

[brightfame52]

Read

Theres nothing to read about man has the responsibility to believe to get saved. That comes from the sinful mind of men. Man believes because of Grace, the power of God Acts 18 27

And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

 

[TomL]

Theres nothing to read about man has the responsibility to believe to get saved. That comes from the sinful mind of men. Man believes because of Grace, the power of God Acts 18 27

And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

You failed to read this

Romans 4:11–16 (KJV 1900) — 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: 12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. 13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: 15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. 16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

The point is clear: God graciously fulfills the promise to those who believe.

BTW, nowhere is it stated the grace is irresistible.

There is grace in the gospel which many may hear, but all who hear do not believe.

 

[brightfame52]

You failed to read this

No I didnt, it doesnt help you

 

[TibiasDad]

Man has no responsibility in his salvation, he is dead

Is man condemned for unbelief?

John 3:18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

If we are condemned for not doing something, then the foundation of that condemnation is that we should have fulfilled our responsibility to do that which we failed to do.

Condemnation demands an expectation to be fulfilled to avoid it. You cannot be condemned for something you weren’t expected to do.

Dead is a metaphor for separation from God/being alienated from God. It doesn’t mean we are spiritually incapacitated to respond to God’s instructions. We are expected to respond to God and justly condemned for not doing so. You can’t have one and not the other!


Doug

 

[TomL]

No I didnt, it doesnt help you

There you have it folks.

He does not read all of scripture to form his theology.

 

[brightfame52]

Is man condemned for unbelief?

Not them Christ died for. The elect whom Christ died for are reconciled to God by His death even while they are enemies, unbelievers Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Now thats Grace.

 

[brightfame52]

There you have it folks.

He does not read all of scripture to form his theology.

Grace is Irresistible in Salvation, it actually saves.

 

[TibiasDad]

Not them Christ died for. The elect whom Christ died for are reconciled to God by His death even while they are enemies, unbelievers Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Now thats Grace.

Eisegesis! All are enemies of God, and Christ reconciles all with God so that Grace can be extended to all who are enemies. Only those who believe in the message of God’s grace in Christ “shall be saved by his life”.

John 3:18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

Belief is the lynchpin of salvation!


Doug

 

[brightfame52]

Eisegesis!

No its not

 

[TibiasDad]

No its not

Prove it!

Doug

 

[civic]

Eisegesis! All are enemies of God, and Christ reconciles all with God so that Grace can be extended to all who are enemies. Only those who believe in the message of God’s grace in Christ “shall be saved by his life”.

John 3:18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

Belief is the lynchpin of salvation!


Doug

And all of Gods children said- Amen !!!

 

[brightfame52]

Prove it!

Doug

Truth cant be proved to everyone

 

[TibiasDad]

Truth cant be proved to everyone

ie, you can’t prove your point.


Doug

 

[brightfame52]

ie, you can’t prove your point.


Doug

I showed you the verse. You cant receive it, nothing I can do about it

 

[TibiasDad]

I showed you the verse. You cant receive it, nothing I can do about it

I showed you a verse that discredits your interpretation of your verse. Now you don’t want to talk about it! I guess we know why you’re so reluctant to converse about it.

Belief is the lynchpin for salvation, and God gave that responsibility to us. What we do with God’s grace determines our eternal destiny.


Doug

 

[TibiasDad]

Truth cant be proved to everyone

…always be ready to give an answer to anyone who asks about the hope you possess. 1Pet 3:15

I’m asking!


Doug

 

[brightfame52]

I showed you a verse that discredits your interpretation of your verse.

Thats what you think, I stick to my verse

 

[brightfame52]

…always be ready to give an answer to anyone who asks about the hope you possess. 1Pet 3:15

I’m asking!


Doug

I gave you my answer already Rom 5:10. And 1 Pet 3:15 is about telling about the Gospel hope, and I do that here everyday and all day, Rom 5:10 is my hope in the death of Christ and you cant receive it