atpollard
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Who is the “responsible party” for Joseph being sold into slavery so many lives could be saved during the famine?
[Genesis 50:20]
His People He foreknew !
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[Genesis 50:20]
atpollard
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Did you know that in physics, “darkness” does not exist?
If you think I am wrong, then “what is the unit of measure for darkness?”
Light is measured in “foot-candles” and “lumens”, but there is no unit for measuring darkness. Darkness is defined as the absence of Light. Light exists as a real physical quantifiable substance, darkness does not. Thus, by the very act of existing, LIGHT is what gives meaning to DARKNESS (the absence of light).
We can apply this to God. GOOD exists as the measure of the presence of “God-likeness” or the qualities that make God, God. EVIL is like darkness, the absence of God and His qualities. Like darkness, evil has no real, independent existence to be created. It is the very existence of GOOD that creates the units by which we can measure its absence and call that ‘void of good’ “EVIL”.
(Just as we call the ‘void of light’ “DARKNESS” even if it does not really exist.)
So there is no “evil” for anyone to create. There is God who defines GOOD and there is the measure of ‘how much good’ and ‘how much void from God’s standard’.
brightfame52
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FOREKNOWLEDGE OF GOD
By Nick Bibile
Here’s the million dollar question. On what basis did God save us?
Romans 8:29
For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
Many believe that God looked into the future and saw who would believe in Christ, and those who believed God predestined and elected them. This is not true.
If this is true then salvation is not of God but of man, because God has to act on man’s belief.
The Greek word for foreknowledge is proginosko. And it is never used in connection with an action of the person but to the person.
God did not elect you because he foresaw of your repenting and believing. It is true that God knew that some would repent and believe on him, but that is not what the scripture is referring to God’s foreknowledge.
Let us look some scripture on foreknowledge and it will be very clear to you that the word foreknowledge refers to the persons and not to their works.
Acts 2:23 "Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain" (Peter is not speaking of God’s foreknowledge of the action of crucifixion, but the person that is Christ being crucified: "HIM (Christ) being delivered…"
Romans 8:29 "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren." (Whom he foreknew referring to persons and not referring to their actions on what they did)
God did not elect us because he foreknew, but the truth is he foreknew because he elected us. First God chooses, that is, he unconditionally sets his favor on whom he will, then destines them for their glorious role in eternity
1 John 4:19
We love because he first loved us.
John 15:16
You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit…..
Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
and before you were born I consecrated you;
I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”
Beloved, God loved us not because of our actions, God loved us first, then comes our actions.
Beloved from the beginning to the end, salvation is all God’s work.
Remember we saw yesterday we were dead in sin, we didn’t have the power to rise, but we saw it was God who raised us from our sins, because of his great mercy.
Also we saw salvation is a gift, It is all from God and all the glory goes not to man but to God alone!
By Nick Bibile
Here’s the million dollar question. On what basis did God save us?
Romans 8:29
For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
Many believe that God looked into the future and saw who would believe in Christ, and those who believed God predestined and elected them. This is not true.
If this is true then salvation is not of God but of man, because God has to act on man’s belief.
The Greek word for foreknowledge is proginosko. And it is never used in connection with an action of the person but to the person.
God did not elect you because he foresaw of your repenting and believing. It is true that God knew that some would repent and believe on him, but that is not what the scripture is referring to God’s foreknowledge.
Let us look some scripture on foreknowledge and it will be very clear to you that the word foreknowledge refers to the persons and not to their works.
Acts 2:23 "Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain" (Peter is not speaking of God’s foreknowledge of the action of crucifixion, but the person that is Christ being crucified: "HIM (Christ) being delivered…"
Romans 8:29 "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren." (Whom he foreknew referring to persons and not referring to their actions on what they did)
God did not elect us because he foreknew, but the truth is he foreknew because he elected us. First God chooses, that is, he unconditionally sets his favor on whom he will, then destines them for their glorious role in eternity
1 John 4:19
We love because he first loved us.
John 15:16
You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit…..
Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
and before you were born I consecrated you;
I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”
Beloved, God loved us not because of our actions, God loved us first, then comes our actions.
Beloved from the beginning to the end, salvation is all God’s work.
Remember we saw yesterday we were dead in sin, we didn’t have the power to rise, but we saw it was God who raised us from our sins, because of his great mercy.
Also we saw salvation is a gift, It is all from God and all the glory goes not to man but to God alone!
jeremiah1five
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Not even, steven.
It's a choice between Infralapsarian and Supralapsarian, but with one difference: Taking Isaiah 45:7 as written and purposed, Isaiah states God created evil. Since I do not believe Scripture teaches a "Fall", but that evil was created by default when God created man, which I also hold to Isaiah's statements of truth that:
1. There is only ONE God.
2. There is NONE like Him.
3. That, He [God] gives His glory to NO ONE.
That the logical conclusion with regard to the eternal differences between God and man, man was created - NOT DUPLICATED - fallen short of the glory of God, or the glory that is God. And this turns on the pivot in opposition to God that God cannot reduplicate Himself in Himself.
But I will venture you have no stinking idea what the his-ell I am talking about.
Have you any inkling to what I mean that "God cannot reduplicate Himself in Himself?"
Or is it that such considerations fly well above and over your head or understanding?
So, let me check the depths of your understanding of the things of God.
Question: What is meant that "God cannot reduplicate Himself in Himself."
Doest thou knoweth?
brightfame52
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@jeremiah1five
Yes sir, you promote a race centered salvation by God, thats totally against grace.
totally against grace.
Yes sir, you promote a race centered salvation by God, thats totally against grace.
jeremiah1five
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Don't blame me. God is the One to command circumcision to divide the races.
If God wanted all people to be saved, He wouldn't have commanded circumcision to differentiate between the masses. Everyone would be born circumcised. But Universalism is not taught in the Bible.
To some people "everlasting" has an expiration date. They claim the Law of God has ended and we are all bastards.
brightfame52
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One writer [D.Fortner] shared four things from scripture about Gods foreknowledge:
1. God’s foreknowledge is his act and decree of FOREORDINATION. We are not left to guess and speculate about this. The very same Greek word which is translated “foreknowledge” in verse two is translated “foreordained” in verse twenty. (1 Peter 1:20) “Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you.”
2. God’s foreknowledge of his elect is his EVERLASTING LOVE for us in Christ. (Jeremiah 31:3) “The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.” (John 17:23) “I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.”
3. Divine foreknowledge is DIVINE APPROVAL. (Psalms 1:6) “For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.” (Ephesians 1:6) “To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.”
4. God’s foreknowledge of us is our INFALLIBLE SAFETY AND SECURITY in Christ. (2 Timothy 2:19) “Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”
1. God’s foreknowledge is his act and decree of FOREORDINATION. We are not left to guess and speculate about this. The very same Greek word which is translated “foreknowledge” in verse two is translated “foreordained” in verse twenty. (1 Peter 1:20) “Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you.”
2. God’s foreknowledge of his elect is his EVERLASTING LOVE for us in Christ. (Jeremiah 31:3) “The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.” (John 17:23) “I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.”
3. Divine foreknowledge is DIVINE APPROVAL. (Psalms 1:6) “For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.” (Ephesians 1:6) “To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.”
4. God’s foreknowledge of us is our INFALLIBLE SAFETY AND SECURITY in Christ. (2 Timothy 2:19) “Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”
brightfame52
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Trusting in the flesh salvation
TibiasDad
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brightfame52
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(2) Another word is foreknowledge.19 This word does not refer to a mere foreknowledge whereby God has prior knowledge of all things, including the end of men. “Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world” (Act 15:18). It rather refers to a foreknowledge characterized by love and delight. In this manner, Christ is referred to as “the Elect of God,” stating that He “was foreordained before the foundation of the world” (1Pe 1:20). In like manner, “the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous” (Psa 1:6), and “the Lord knoweth them that are his” (2Ti 2:19). Believers are therefore called “elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father” (1Pe 1:2). It signifies election itself. “God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew” (Rom 11:2); “For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate” (Rom 8:29). This foreknowledge is contrasted with not being known, that is, being rejected. “I never knew you” (Mat 7:23); “I know you not” (Mat 25:12). By Wilhelmus à Brakel
Or the one who caused the murder of Hos own Son. Acts 4
That is the case only in the KJV and other mistaken English versions.
1 Peter 1:20
(ASV) who was foreknown indeed before the foundation of the world, but was manifested at the end of times for your sake,
(DRB) Foreknown indeed before the foundation of the world, but manifested in the last times for you:
(ESV) He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you
(ISV) On the one hand, he was foreknown before the creation of the world, but on the other hand, he was revealed at the end of time for your sake.
(NASB) For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you
(RV) who was foreknown indeed before the foundation of the world, but was manifested at the end of the times for your sake,
(YLT) foreknown, indeed, before the foundation of the world, and manifested in the last times because of you,
There is nothing in either of those passages about God's foreknowledge.
Again, nothing in either of those passages speaks to God's foreknowledge
It is not God's foreknowledge that is our safety and security in Christ. It is in His attribute of faithfulness that we can be assured of our security in Christ. God is faithful in His promises to do what He says He will do.
All four of those four things are wrong.
God's foreknowledge is nothing more or nothing less than His omniscience applied to the future, whether good or bad.
Exactly.
brightfame52
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You are looking through the eyes of the Manicheanism of Augustine and that is wrong.
TibiasDad
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The point is that it is never a noun. It may act as an adjective to a noun, but never a noun.
Doug
brightfame52
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Yes, I am. And that is whom God produced the written revelation for.
TibiasDad
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False! God set the condition of belief from man. God has to keep his promise, the promise he made to mankind. Nothing obligates God to act except his own promise to so- if and when we believe and trust in his promise.
Again, absolutely nothing that man does is capable of obligating God to act on man’s behalf. God sets the parameters and conditions under which he will act. Without his promise, man is hopeless.
Doug
TibiasDad
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Evil is not just the absence of good; it is a dynamic principle that causes sin. The sin nature is evil because it wars against the goodness of God. It moves in the opposite direction of goodness and love.
Doug
