TibiasDad
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Now we’re getting into a different discussion: Before I go any further, let me get a baseline understanding of your perspective of time:
How old do you think the world is?
Doug
Judaism came from Christianity
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How old do you think the world is?
Doug
TibiasDad
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If I am seeking answers about a topic, the knowledge of which I am not especially familiar, I research it from as many sources as I can to get a generalized understanding of the subject at hand.
Typically these sources are based on cumulative data from numerous studies by various researchers who may or may not be footnoted by the site. If different sites consistently give the same results, I have no reason to doubt their validity if no contrary information is presented to question what they have said. It is a trust, but verify scenario.
I must always be willing to reevaluate my conclusions in the light of new information from equally credible sources if honesty is to prevail; but it needs to be as credible as what I have previously seen.
Doug
praise_yeshua
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Does really matter, but I follow the superior Greek OT narrative. Judaism is Judaism. You either follow it or you don't.
Admit that you hadn't considered this fact. You had no issue with 3100 BC without giving any thought to the distinctly Hebrew Biblical narrative.
praise_yeshua
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Repeated error is still error. Repeated error is often presented as "consensus".
The timing of Egyptian culture is exaggerated to appear much older than it is. Extra Biblical narratives even present that Abraham taught the Egyptian culture about Mathematics, Astronomy, and Science.
Our God, Jesus Christ is the origins of similarities found within various cultural myths. The took the Truth of God and turned it into a lie. Served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed evermore.
TibiasDad
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So you say without evidence or cause.
I find it interesting that you keep making statements like this but never cite the sources that I might read. Hmmm….
Doug
TibiasDad
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Are you referring to the LXX? Why not follow the Hebrew itself? What makes a secondary translation better than the original Hebrew?
Yes, I know the NT quotations are generally from the LXX, but that doesn’t translate to it being better.
Doug
praise_yeshua
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I want you to go "on record" that you believe the Eqyptian Empire existed before the flood. You're ignoring most of what I say.
I'm using your own "evidence" against you? You haven't noticed.
There is no evidence that the Egyptian culture was around in 3100 BC. It is not my duty to prove it was. It is your duty to prove it was.
Why don't you ask Gemini or Google. You did it before. Do it again. This time, don't deny what you read from historian accounts. Your authority is Google and Gemini. Here I asked them for you.
Historical accounts, particularly from ancient Jewish historians like Josephus, Eupolemus, and Artapanus, suggest that Abraham instructed the Egyptians in astronomy and arithmetic. This tradition posits that Abraham brought mathematical knowledge from Chaldea (Mesopotamia) to Egypt, where it was previously unknown or less developed.
praise_yeshua
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The LXX is from a more mature and earlier Hebrew stream of text than the MT of the 9th century. Not difficult to know.
The NT authors quoted the LXX because the Greek OT was used the win the early church to Christ. Hence my appeal to the Greek culture in the Rosetta Stone. You should be fitting these pieces together now.....
It is what the apostles carried with them. It what they held in their hands. The scrolls. The "Bible" they carried out into the world to win people to Christ.
Gentiles didn't have to learn Hebrew to know God.
TibiasDad
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TibiasDad
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What does the MT have to do with anything. Paul did not have the MT to compare with the LXX. Paul was a Hebrew of Hebrews, he surely had the Hebrew text of the scriptures.
Doug
TibiasDad
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Yes, many “suggest” these things but “Studies of the Egyptian Pyramid Texts show that Egyptians had well-developed observational astronomy and mathematics centuries before Abraham's arrival in 2,000 BC.”
Incidentally, Abraham was in the dynastic era when Pharaohs reigned over a united Egypt, which began in roughly 3000-3100 BCE. Egypt existed prior to that by at least 2500 years (as did the worship of Horus)!
Doug
praise_yeshua
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What I asked you.
praise_yeshua
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Nope. Didn't exist in any context of a wide distribution. It is amazing what little you know about these subjects. There are 4 surviving Bibles from the context of the first century. All Greek. All primary evidence of what the apostle actually used. Jerome with all the vast resources of the Catholic church couldn't piece together a single all encompassing Hebrew text from the time period. It wasn't till the descendants of those who murdered Jesus Christ reconstructed their edition to produce the MT that evil modern "consensus" began to discredit what the apostle used themselves.
praise_yeshua
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So you don't believe in the flood Peter taught about wherein only 8 souls survived?
1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
You need to admit this. You're ignoring it because you've chosen to follow unbelievers in your theology. Surprise. I wonder why you're so incapable of defending Christianity and get so easily offended when I suggest Jesus Christ is Eternal and known among the early descendants of Adam.
You, nor these unbelievers, have made the case that the Egyptian culture taught anything before Abraham. The Pharaohs of Egypt bowed to Abraham and the Son of Jacob. It was the Egyptian culture that abandoned the true teachings of Jesus Christ and rejected Joseph and his offspring.
TibiasDad
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TibiasDad
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Of course I do. The question is when did it happen? The flood happened long before Abraham was born. And Abraham was in Egypt with Sarah in the dynastic age of pharaohs. So Egypt had come into existence long before Abraham was born.
Doug
praise_yeshua
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Extra Biblical evidence for Abraham/Hebrew influence upon Egyptian Culture. I don't remember if that was the exact query, but it is close.
praise_yeshua
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Then you can't believe the exclusively Hebrew manuscript evidence and accept 3100 BC for a mature Egyptian culture much less a mature Egyptian Mythology.
James Ussher is generally quoted when dealing with the historical timeline of the Old Testament.
TibiasDad
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Firstly, thank you for the information.
Secondly, and to the point, there are several reasons why I find this information suspect and inconclusive as to your claims.
1) The sources are all first century BC/AD, more than two millennia removed from the point of history.
2) None appear to be decisive, but are based on ‘traditional information’ that is itself hearsay information that is an appendix to the Biblical account of Abraham’s encounter with Pharaoh.
3) Your source is BYU, a Latter Day Saints university whose ability to fabricate historical documents is unlimited and foundational to their own interests.
Doug
TibiasDad
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Ussher’s chronology is based on a 7000 year old Earth assumption; a non-starter historical perspective.
Doug
