Judaism came from Christianity

[praise_yeshua]

Ussher’s chronology is based on a 7000 year old Earth assumption; a non-starter historical perspective.


Doug

That is the Hebrew perspective. If you're going to appeal to a longer historical perspective, you must embrace the Greek OT for evidence. Just making that point. There are choices to be made between contradictory "evidence".

 

[TibiasDad]

That is the Hebrew perspective. If you're going to appeal to a longer historical perspective, you must embrace the Greek OT for evidence. Just making that point. There are choices to be made between contradictory "evidence".

I don’t understand why the LXX has any bearing on whether Egyptian worship practices existed prior to the dynastic era of Egypt’s history.

Doug

 

[praise_yeshua]

I don’t understand why the LXX has any bearing on whether Egyptian worship practices existed prior to the dynastic era of Egypt’s history.

Doug

I mentioned the flood of Noah. The LXX has a much larger context of genealogies. Generally speaking, we are talking closer to 10,000 years. In that context, you can find "room" for 3100 BC.

 

[TibiasDad]

I mentioned the flood of Noah. The LXX has a much larger context of genealogies. Generally speaking, we are talking closer to 10,000 years. In that context, you can find "room" for 3100 BC.

How can the LXX have a larger context of genealogies than the Hebrew from which it was derived?

Doug

 

[praise_yeshua]

How can the LXX have a larger context of genealogies than the Hebrew from which it was derived?

Doug

In manuscript transmission, it is referenced as "streams" of manuscripts. Different variant Hebrew manuscripts existed. There wasn't a single manuscript tradition. There were many. My position is there are at least 4. Probably more.

The "Diaspora" that took place in the "Babylonian" judgement of Israel greatly affected the manuscripts that were passed down. I realize that many people do not know/understand these facts. It was well recognized in the early church . It was part of the discussion in the canonical process of the 4th century and the battle between the Augustine/Jerome for the future of the "Latin" Bibles. The MT was reconstructed. At a bare minimum, The Dead Sea Scrolls along with the "Four Great Uncial Codices" prove this to be true. If you listen to "Wes Huff", you'd never know this. (So much for the so called "experts").

It is dangerous to let others think for you brother. I abandoned the Calvinist/Arminian battles along with Islam soon after I began my ministry. I dug into the history of this. It mattered more to me than a bunch of men all arguing to be referenced as the "chosen".

 

[TibiasDad]

It is dangerous to let others think for you brother.

I don’t know how you can say that I let others think for me, as I have expressed my own thoughts and opinions supported by outside sources. I think for myself and test my thinking against the evidence of others. Nobody tells me what to think or believe!

Doug

 

[praise_yeshua]

I don’t know how you can say that I let others think for me, as I have expressed my own thoughts and opinions supported by outside sources. I think for myself and test my thinking against the evidence of others. Nobody tells me what to think or believe!

Doug

I disagree. You're not that different from the people you follow. I'm not singling you out. Most are the same way. You're probably better than most of them.

You should have expertise in the things I've mentioned. It is why I say the things I say. Preach the things I preach. It is rare that I meet anyone anymore that actually knows these topics. Those that do tend to avoid me. I appreciate the conversation. Thanks

 

[TibiasDad]

I disagree. You're not that different from the people you follow. I'm not singling you out. Most are the same way. You're probably better than most of them.

You should have expertise in the things I've mentioned. It is why I say the things I say. Preach the things I preach. It is rare that I meet anyone anymore that actually knows these topics. Those that do tend to avoid me. I appreciate the conversation. Thanks

Just curious, are you an ordained minister? (It doesn’t matter one way or the other, just curious.)

Doug

 

[praise_yeshua]

Just curious, are you an ordained minister? (It doesn’t matter one way or the other, just curious.)

Doug

I have been. They wouldn't accept me now. I'm not doctrinal compatible now.

 

[TibiasDad]

You're probably better than most of them.

Probably?

 

[jeremiah1five]

The oldest religion in this world is Christianity. I can prove it.

Judaism is the result of those who rejected Messiah before Moses.

How can I prove this? Several reason but I will start with the words of John. Codex Alexandrinus is the very best manuscript for the book of Revelation.

Codex Alexandrinus reads...

καὶ προσκυνήσουσιν αὐτῷ πάντες οἱ κατοικοῦντες ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς, ὧν οὐ γέγραπται τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ ἐν τῷ βιβλίῳ τῆς ζωῆς τοῦ ἀρνίου τοῦ ἐσφαγμένου ἀπὸ καταβολῆς κόσμου.

or

"And all the inhabitants of the earth will worship him, [everyone] whose name has not been written in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain from the foundation of the world."

How about the words of Peter in reference to Moses.

Deu 18:15 The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you – from your fellow Israelites; you must listen to him.

Act 7:37 This is the Moses who said to the Israelites, ‘God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your brothers.’
Act 7:38 This is the man who was in the congregation in the wilderness with the angel who spoke to him at Mount Sinai, and with our ancestors, and he received living oracles to give to you.
Act 7:39 Our ancestors were unwilling to obey him, but pushed him aside and turned back to Egypt in their hearts,

1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

The Egyptian culture that hosted the children of Israel borrowed the teaching of Abraham into the teachings of the Egyptian myth of the "son, Horus".

What say you?

Judaism is about "who rejected Jesus," it's about the children of Israel trying to maintain their Mosaic Covenant and Law without a Tabernacle or Temple.
Christianity has been around since the first utterance of "Messiah."
Even David was a Christian long before Christ was born.