He that believes and is not water baptised is saved

[Neil Spargo]

Please show us where any of that is found in Scripture.

Act of Water Baptism​

In summary, the act of immersing someone into water does not forgive sins. Romans 6:4-7 gives us the symbolic meaning of baptism.

Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; for he who has died is freed from sin. Romans 6:4-7 (NASB)

Baptism symbolizes our death and burial with Christ and then being resurrected to new life in Christ. Baptism symbolizes a person dying to sin and living unto righteousness (Romans 6:7, 18).

As a person is immersed into the water, it symbolizes their dying to self. Then as the person is raised out of the water, it symbolizes rising to new life in Christ. Baptism is a symbolic act that says, “I turn away from my sins. I die to myself and to my sins and turn to Jesus. I am a new person in Christ.” Baptism is an outward symbol of an inward change that has already occurred – salvation at the point of one’s belief in and acceptance of the sacrificial death and resurrection of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of our sins.

 

[Doug Brents]

Act of Water Baptism​

In summary, the act of immersing someone into water does not forgive sins. Romans 6:4-7 gives us the symbolic meaning of baptism.


Baptism symbolizes our death and burial with Christ and then being resurrected to new life in Christ. Baptism symbolizes a person dying to sin and living unto righteousness (Romans 6:7, 18).

As a person is immersed into the water, it symbolizes their dying to self. Then as the person is raised out of the water, it symbolizes rising to new life in Christ. Baptism is a symbolic act that says, “I turn away from my sins. I die to myself and to my sins and turn to Jesus. I am a new person in Christ.” Baptism is an outward symbol of an inward change that has already occurred – salvation at the point of one’s belief in and acceptance of the sacrificial death and resurrection of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of our sins.

Neil, the passage in Rom 6:1-7 shows a completely different picture than what you are describing. It says that it is in water baptism that we die to sin and are then raised to new life. This happens during baptism, not before baptism. Col 2:11-14 says basically the same thing: during baptism the Holy Spirit cuts sin from us and unites us with Jesus' death and resurrection. This is not just a symbolic action, as 1 Pet 3:21 says that it is in baptism (in water like the Flood) that we are saved. Not by the power of the water, but by the power of Jesus' blood.

 

[Neil Spargo]

By the way, if the gospels are part of the Old Covenant, then why did they not get put in the Old Testament section of our Bible??

The Gospel is more pronounced in the New Testament, but the Old Testament also contains the Gospel promise. The early Christians were able to preach the Gospel from the Old Testament scriptures before the New Testament was written. Jesus confirmed that the Old Testament Scriptures spoke about Himself. The Gospel is in the Old Testament scriptures, not only in the New. The Old Testament contains passages that foreshadow the coming of Jesus and the Gospel

THE GOSPEL IN THE OLD TESTAMENT

 

[Neil Spargo]

Neil, the passage in Rom 6:1-7 shows a completely different picture than what you are describing. It says that it is in water baptism that we die to sin and are then raised to new life. This happens during baptism, not before baptism. Col 2:11-14 says basically the same thing: during baptism the Holy Spirit cuts sin from us and unites us with Jesus' death and resurrection. This is not just a symbolic action, as 1 Pet 3:21 says that it is in baptism (in water like the Flood) that we are saved. Not by the power of the water, but by the power of Jesus' blood.

In Romans 6, Paul tackles the question of why Christians should not continue to sin once we have been declared righteous by God because of our faith in Christ. It's a good question. After all, Paul's recent teaching declared that we are no longer under the law of Moses, and God's grace will always increase to cover our sinfulness. Knowing nothing but that, it's reasonable to ask why Christians shouldn't indulge in our desire to sin.

Paul's first answer is that we don't have to do what sin tells us to do any longer, so why would we keep doing it? He then reveals more information about what happens when a person comes to faith in Christ on a spiritual level. We experience a spiritual death—to sin, rather than to God—and rebirth that parallels Jesus' own physical death and resurrection. We are raised to a new spiritual life. In fact, by faith in Christ, we become so closely connected to Him that this particular spiritual death is a death to sin itself. The reason we are not slaves to sin any longer is because our old self was crucified. Dead men are freed from their old masters. Sin can't tell us what to do any more. We are literally dead to sin in Christ (Romans 6:1–11).
From BibleRef

 

[Doug Brents]

In Romans 6, Paul tackles the question of why Christians should not continue to sin once we have been declared righteous by God because of our faith in Christ. It's a good question. After all, Paul's recent teaching declared that we are no longer under the law of Moses, and God's grace will always increase to cover our sinfulness. Knowing nothing but that, it's reasonable to ask why Christians shouldn't indulge in our desire to sin.

Paul's first answer is that we don't have to do what sin tells us to do any longer, so why would we keep doing it? He then reveals more information about what happens when a person comes to faith in Christ on a spiritual level. We experience a spiritual death—to sin, rather than to God—and rebirth that parallels Jesus' own physical death and resurrection. We are raised to a new spiritual life. In fact, by faith in Christ, we become so closely connected to Him that this particular spiritual death is a death to sin itself. The reason we are not slaves to sin any longer is because our old self was crucified. Dead men are freed from their old masters. Sin can't tell us what to do any more. We are literally dead to sin in Christ (Romans 6:1–11).

This is a pretty good overview of what Paul is saying, but you skipped over a very important detail in verses 3 and 4. It says twice that it is during baptism that we die to sin and are resurrected with Christ. These things don't just happen at some arbitrary time. "Belief" is not just a mental exercise. "Belief" is "faith" (pistis in the Greek) and it requires action or it is dead, useless, and incapable of bringing new life to us.

 

[360watt]

Acts 2:38—Did Peter declare that baptism was necessary for salvation?

Is there a Bible contradiction in Acts 2:38? Here’s the solution from When Critics Ask by Geisler and Howe; used by permission.

defendinginerrancy.com

This is a good explanation

 

[Doug Brents]

Acts 2:38—Did Peter declare that baptism was necessary for salvation?

Is there a Bible contradiction in Acts 2:38? Here’s the solution from When Critics Ask by Geisler and Howe; used by permission.

defendinginerrancy.com

This is a good explanation

Nope, that is not a "good explanation".
First, the Greek word "eis" can, and does, mean both "in order to" and "because you have been" in different places. So which does it mean in Acts 2:38?
Acts 2:38 links both repentance and baptism "for" the forgiveness of sin. There is not a separation between repentance and baptism. They both correspond to "eis" (for) in the same way. Either both are "in order to receive" or both are "because you have received". But there is no possibility that one (repentance) is "in order to receive" and baptism is "because you have received". That just doesn't work with what was written, even in Greek.
Let's look over to Acts 3:19. Here Luke tells us that Peter preached that repentance was "in order to receive" forgiveness of sins.
So, if repentance must be done "in order to receive" forgiveness of sins, then baptism must be done "in order to receive" forgiveness of sins.

Second, we are not saved just by "receiving" the Word. Yes, we must first hear the Word before we can be saved, but as Rom 10:8-14 says, we must hear to believe, and we must believe to call on the Lord, and we call on the Lord by confessing Him AS Lord.

Third, if you "believe" but don't take action, then you really don't believe (James 2:14-26).

Fourth, those in Acts 10 who "received the Holy Spirit" before they were baptized, receive the gift of tongues and praise, not the indwelling of the Spirit (which is something only those in Christ receive).
Fifth, Paul did not separate baptism from the Gospel. Does a farmer separate harvesting from farming if he says, "I did not come into this field to reap the harvest, but only to plant the seed." Paul went to Corinth to plant the Seed. Others came later to water and fertilize. Paul did reap some harvest while he was there, baptizing three people/families. But he knew his mission was to plant the Seed, not to seek a harvest.

Sixth, Jesus did not call baptism a "work of righteousness". He said that His being baptized fulfilled all righteousness. He also said that we cannot enter the Kingdom of God (be saved) unless we are born again through both water (baptism) and the Spirit.

Seventh, the book of John was written between 80 and 90 AD. That means it was written, at the least, more than eighteen (18) years after Luke, the next latest Gospel, and Matthew and Mark were written between 50 and 60. This means that the Gospel had been in written form for (possibly) 30 years before John wrote his Gospel. And all of Paul's letters had been written in the interim. So John was not writing an exhaustive detailing of what it took to be saved. He was writing a treatise, a legal brief, giving the reasons why one should believe. And if one believes, then he can do the things that God has said lead to salvation (repent of sins (Acts 3:19), confess Jesus as Lord (Rom 10:9-10), and be baptized into Christ (Acts 2:38, 1 Pet 3:21, Col 2:11-14, Rom 6:1-7, Eph 5:26-27, Gal 3::26-27, John 3:5).

Finally, Mark 16:16 says that whoever does not believe is condemned already (because all have sinned, and sin is why we are condemned).
Consider that there is a room. There is a door to this room that is closed, and salvation is inside the room. Outside of the room is condemnation, and everyone in the world is standing outside that room. What Jesus is saying is that whoever believes (opens the door), and is baptized (walks through the door) will be saved. But then he says that anyone who does not believe (open the door) remains condemned (outside the room). This is naturally correct. If the door was never opened, then the person could not have entered the room where salvation is.

 

[dwight92070]

This is a pretty good overview of what Paul is saying, but you skipped over a very important detail in verses 3 and 4. It says twice that it is during baptism that we die to sin and are resurrected with Christ. These things don't just happen at some arbitrary time. "Belief" is not just a mental exercise. "Belief" is "faith" (pistis in the Greek) and it requires action or it is dead, useless, and incapable of bringing new life to us.

You mean action like James recommends in James 2, clothing and feeding the poor?