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God said they will come back then they will come back.

in the Resurrection, else Post book chapter and verse please

You don't understand who John the Baptist was do you. Well, he wasn't Elijah and when questioned by those priests/scribes from Jerusalem if he was Elijah he said "No."
Case closed. Elijah didn't die, John the Baptist did. Tragically.

the flesh and blood man Elijah? no, did you not READ before you open your mouth? listen and Learn, Luke 1:17 "And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."

now as for the questioning of John, John 1:21 "And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No."

I am Not? ..... Hmmmmm .... so why did he say "no" when they asked him, "Art thou that prophet?" Oh my God. you still don't get it.

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[101G]

@jeremiah1five,
Matthew 17:10 "And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?" Matthew 17:11 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things." Matthew 17:12 "But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them." Matthew 17:13 "Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist."

now, one thing, did the Lord Jesus LIED, when he said, "But I say unto you, That Elias is come already"

did he the Lord Jesus LIE? your answer please.

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[101G]

@civic,
since the clock has ran out...... and came back in, (smile). the fire in the two-witness mouth is the Word of God. just as water, so also is the Word of God is "FIRE". listen and Learn,
Many Christians (NOT ALL), some and others, think that the fire out of the witness mouth is actual physical fire. No, scripture, Jeremiah 5:14 "Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them”. if one would read that 5th chapter of Jeremiah, one will see who this fire, the word of God devoured. It was false prophets. And the word of God exposed then for who they was, so did the Lord Jesus burned them, (the false prophets) up, by the word of God. John also had a fiery mouth, the truth, which made him a martyr also. (the king took his brother wife, and John called the king out on this). And please note: a martyr is also called a “witness”. this is the manner, in which, they will be killed. By the truth, the word of God that the false prophets will be killed, and like wise by telling the truth the word of God these witness will be killed, literally. This fulfills the scripture, Genesis 3:15 "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel”.

Isaiah 11:4 "But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

Hosea 6:5 "Therefore have I hewed them by the prophets; I have slain them by the words of my mouth: and thy judgments are as the light that goeth forth.

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[101G]

John the Baptist in the Spirit and Power of Elijah.

Malachi 3:1 "Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts."

Isaiah 40:3 "The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God." STOP the PRESS, HOLD it. this messenger crying in the wilderness is to prepare the way for who, the "LORD", or the "Lord?" hold that thought. but did not Isaiah here say "for our God". that right there also put another nail in the unitarian coffin. for he, the Lord Jesus who came was "GOD". so that ruled out and agent for God, it is God himself who came.
the prophet Malachi tells us by name who this messenger is,Malachi 4:5 "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:" Malachi 4:6 "And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse."

A. the great dreadful day was God Judgment on Sin. and B. this messenger he said, "And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers". who was tasked to do this? let the bible speak, Luke 1:13 "But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John." Luke 1:14 "And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth." Luke 1:15 "For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb." Luke 1:16 "And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God." Luke 1:17 "And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."

without a doubt, this is speaking of John the Baptist, the Elijah to Come. once more, Isaiah 40:3 "The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God." OUR GOD? yes, OUR GOD. Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" My God this is too easy not to miss.
the term Prepare: is to Turn, it is the Hebrew Word,
H6437 פָּנָה panah (paw-naw') v.
1. to turn.
2. (by implication) to face, i.e. appear, look, etc.
[a primitive root]
KJV: appear, at (even-)tide, behold, cast out, come on, X corner, dawning, empty, go away, lie, look, mark, pass away, prepare, regard, (have) respect (to), (re-)turn (aside, away, back, face, self), X right (early).

and "To TURN" is to REPENT, or change one's mind.

Just a few comparisons of John the Baptist and Elijah​

#1. Both are Prophets.

#2. Both had the similar dress.

#3. Both confronted directly kings of their day.

#4. Both were preachers to the nations

#5. Both have water connections as did the Lord Jesus and Moses. john the Jordan river, Elijah rain

#6. Both Rebuke Israel for Corruption in Their Religion.

#7. They Both Were Victims of Evil Women.

and there are more.

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[jeremiah1five]

@jeremiah1five,
Matthew 17:10 "And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?" Matthew 17:11 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things." Matthew 17:12 "But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them." Matthew 17:13 "Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist."

now, one thing, did the Lord Jesus LIED, when he said, "But I say unto you, That Elias is come already"

did he the Lord Jesus LIE? your answer please.

101G.

They both told the truth.
But you don't understand it.

 

[jeremiah1five]

in the Resurrection, else Post book chapter and verse please

the flesh and blood man Elijah? no, did you not READ before you open your mouth? listen and Learn, Luke 1:17 "And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."

now as for the questioning of John, John 1:21 "And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No."

I am Not? ..... Hmmmmm .... so why did he say "no" when they asked him, "Art thou that prophet?" Oh my God. you still don't get it.

101G.

No, I get it. So, let's summarize.
John the Baptist was asked if he was the person Elijah and he truthfully said, "No."

Jesus said that John the Baptist was Elijah "if you can receive it" but He was not saying John was the person Elijah but meaning that John had the ministry of Elijah as John was prophesied as coming in the "spirit and power" of Elijah.

So, let's breakdown "spirit" and "power."

"Spirit" is the word "pneuma" and it is defined by Strong as:
[#4151] from [#4154] (pneo); a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figurative a spirit, i.e. (human) the rational soul, (by implicaiton) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, dæmon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy Spirit.

"Power" is the word "dynamis" and it is defined by Strong as:
[#1411] from [#1410] (dunamai); force (literal or figurative); specially miraculous power (usually by implication a miracle itself).

Returning to John the Baptist...I can accept John having a similar ministry as Elijah coming in Holy Spirit spiritual "disposition" which is defined as "natural or acquired habit or characteristic tendency in a person or thing."

But as far as "power" is concerned and by its definition John did no miracles as the word is defined. If the word is "force" then I can accept his ministry having the "force" of Elijah. It should be noted the Greek word here is not the word "exousia" which is defined by Strong's as:

from [#1832] (exesti) (in the sense of ability); privilege, i.e. (subject) force, capacity, competency, freedom, or (object) mastery (concrete magistrate, superhuman, potentate, token of control), delegated influence.

The word has also been defined as "authority."

I also see John the Baptist as a pivot prophet. Being born before Jesus I disagree with those that say John was the last prophet as born under the Law. Jesus would be the last Prophet born under the Law.
And by pivot prophet he would be a pivot between First Covenant prophet and Second Covenant prophet as mentioned in Ephesians 4:11. In other words, those prophets in the New Covenant God calls and equips are called in the "spirit and power" of other First Covenant prophets. Existentially, there would by definition be prophets called by God in the New Covenant as coming in the "spirit and power" of Samuel, or Hosea, or Joel, etc. And yes, even Jeremiah and Isaiah.

So, yes, I understand that both John who said, "No," and Jesus who said, "Yes" are both right but for different reasons.

 

[101G]

They both told the truth.
But you don't understand it.

then John the Baptist, LISTEN how we say this, "is the, the, the, Elijah to come"....... (smile), did you see how that was worded?

Remember what you said in post #26? "John the Baptist was asked if he was the person Elijah and he truthfully said, "No.".

did John LIE? no, for he is NOT .... "The" .... PERSON Elijah, (who was Flesh bone and blood), but he is the Elijah to come.... (smile), lol, lol, lol, Oh my .... I still believe you want get it.

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[101G]

No, I get it. So, let's summarize.
John the Baptist was asked if he was the person Elijah and he truthfully said, "No."

Jesus said that John the Baptist was Elijah "if you can receive it" but He was not saying John was the person Elijah but meaning that John had the ministry of Elijah as John was prophesied as coming in the "spirit and power" of Elijah.

So, let's breakdown "spirit" and "power."

"Spirit" is the word "pneuma" and it is defined by Strong as:
[#4151] from [#4154] (pneo); a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figurative a spirit, i.e. (human) the rational soul, (by implicaiton) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, dæmon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy Spirit.

"Power" is the word "dynamis" and it is defined by Strong as:
[#1411] from [#1410] (dunamai); force (literal or figurative); specially miraculous power (usually by implication a miracle itself).

Returning to John the Baptist...I can accept John having a similar ministry as Elijah coming in Holy Spirit spiritual "disposition" which is defined as "natural or acquired habit or characteristic tendency in a person or thing."

But as far as "power" is concerned and by its definition John did no miracles as the word is defined. If the word is "force" then I can accept his ministry having the "force" of Elijah. It should be noted the Greek word here is not the word "exousia" which is defined by Strong's as:

from [#1832] (exesti) (in the sense of ability); privilege, i.e. (subject) force, capacity, competency, freedom, or (object) mastery (concrete magistrate, superhuman, potentate, token of control), delegated influence.

The word has also been defined as "authority."

I also see John the Baptist as a pivot prophet. Being born before Jesus I disagree with those that say John was the last prophet as born under the Law. Jesus would be the last Prophet born under the Law.
And by pivot prophet he would be a pivot between First Covenant prophet and Second Covenant prophet as mentioned in Ephesians 4:11. In other words, those prophets in the New Covenant God calls and equips are called in the "spirit and power" of other First Covenant prophets. Existentially, there would by definition be prophets called by God in the New Covenant as coming in the "spirit and power" of Samuel, or Hosea, or Joel, etc. And yes, even Jeremiah and Isaiah.

So, yes, I understand that both John who said, "No," and Jesus who said, "Yes" are both right but for different reasons.

OK, stratch my post #27, you did get it, only one addition. in the spirit of Elijah, in the character or the characteristic of Elijah.

well you did get it. there is HOPE after all.

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But as far as "power" is concerned and by its definition John did no miracles as the word is defined. If the word is "force" then I can accept his ministry having the "force" of Elijah. It should be noted the Greek word here is not the word "exousia" which is defined by Strong's as:

see this is where you jews make the BIG MISTAKE, his mission was Spiritual, for John was BORN with the Spirit. not any confrontation military, or any other style. his mission was of Peace to make the way for our God, and not be the way. READ... PLEASE READ. he prepared the Way

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[TedT]

two Jewish prophets

Why do you call them that?

 

[jeremiah1five]

then John the Baptist, LISTEN how we say this, "is the, the, the, Elijah to come"....... (smile), did you see how that was worded?

Remember what you said in post #26? "John the Baptist was asked if he was the person Elijah and he truthfully said, "No.".

did John LIE? no, for he is NOT .... "The" .... PERSON Elijah, (who was Flesh bone and blood), but he is the Elijah to come.... (smile), lol, lol, lol, Oh my .... I still believe you want get it.

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YOU again!
John only had the ministry of Elijah.

 

[jeremiah1five]

OK, stratch my post #27, you did get it, only one addition. in the spirit of Elijah, in the character or the characteristic of Elijah.

well you did get it. there is HOPE after all.

101G.

YOU again!
That's why you use a silhouette for your image. You shadow people!
LOL.

 

[jeremiah1five]

see this is where you jews make the BIG MISTAKE, his mission was Spiritual, for John was BORN with the Spirit. not any confrontation military, or any other style. his mission was of Peace to make the way for our God, and not be the way. READ... PLEASE READ. he prepared the Way

101G.

YOU again!
You misunderstand.
Again.

 

[101G]

YOU again!
John only had the ministry of Elijah.

No, it's 101G again, .... I am not YOU... Lol, Lol, Lol, ... Oh Dear. by hook or crook, you stumble up on the reason why John the Baptist is called the, the, the, Elijah to come..... Lol, Lol, LOl, Oh man this is so funny. many jews set a place for the, the, the, Elijah to come. what a waste of energy. Oh well.....

now, John only had Elijah Ministry? so what Ministry was that? book, chapter, and verse please.

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[jeremiah1five]

Why do you call them that?

They are sent to Israel.
They are two candlesticks, and the candlesticks were used in the Tabernacle.
The chapter begins with the measuring of the Temple. The prophecy of Revelation is given by a Jewish Christian (John) to and for Israel. Everything about Revelations is Jewish. You can't miss it.

 

[101G]

YOU again!
That's why you use a silhouette for your image. You shadow people!
LOL.

personal opinion? let 101G bring out the Holy Jeopardy Buzzer for this one...... BUZZ, BUZZ, BUZZ, WRONG. 101G do not .... so-called shadow people, he just answer the posts in the order they came.... (smile).... YIKES! ... Oh my......

101G.

 

[jeremiah1five]

No, it's 101G again, .... I am not YOU... Lol, Lol, Lol, ... Oh Dear. by hook or crook, you stumble up on the reason why John the Baptist is called the, the, the, Elijah to come..... Lol, Lol, LOl, Oh man this is so funny. many jews set a place for the, the, the, Elijah to come. what a waste of energy. Oh well.....

now, John only had Elijah Ministry? so what Ministry was that? book, chapter, and verse please.

101G.

Book.
Read the book. Beginning in 1 Kings 17.
The book! Read the book!

 

[jeremiah1five]

personal opinion? let 101G bring out the Holy Jeopardy Buzzer for this one...... BUZZ, BUZZ, BUZZ, WRONG. 101G do not .... so-called shadow people, he just answer the posts in the order they came.... (smile).... YIKES! ... Oh my......

101G.

Well-known member, huh?
LOL.

 

[101G]

Book.
Read the book. Beginning in 1 Kings 17.

AND?

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[101G]

Well-known member, huh?
LOL.

personal opinion, huh?

look if you just want to talk, that's what facebook and X are for.

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