civic
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I’m leaning dynamic and not static. Are you static ? Or somewhere inbetween if there is such a position lol
I’m happy to be hearing about these things I haven’t consider in the past.
Gods Innate Attributes
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I’m happy to be hearing about these things I haven’t consider in the past.
Diserner
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I see God as outside of time.
This could be seen as "static" but I would not use that word personally.
civic
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What about the sequence argument with relationship/ love within the Trinity prior to creation. Was God relational before creation and was there are sequence with thought ? It’s an interesting idea to contemplate
Diserner
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civic
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So that would be the static position as I understand it to be by listening to the debate. I'm not wanting to debate it here but to let you know that I'm being open to the dynamic position and reconsidering some things I previously believed.
Diserner
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I think there's too strong a case against limiting God's knowledge.
We see God knowing free choices ahead of time.
We know God dwells in eternity, Isaiah 57:15.
God is outside of time—there is no good reason to place limitations on them.
civic
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don't choices imply sequence
Diserner
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No, I believe all choices are made not relative to time, even though they are within time.
civic
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that doesn't seem like an oxymoron or at the very least a plea for " mystery " from a philosophical pov ?
Diserner
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I believe appeal to mystery can be a valid appeal.
Scripture gives us legitimate mysteries.
civic
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now you sound like a calvinist
Diserner
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now you sound like a calvinist
Not everything a Calvinist says is wrong.
Genetic fallacy.
civic
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Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.
praise_yeshua
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praise_yeshua
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An appeal to a "mystery" when there is evidence does not establish the validity of the claim of "mystery"....
It is basically saying "we don't know" when we "do know".
Diserner
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Chaos still has sequences, just out of "order."
Diserner
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Yes, I have listened to many like it.
praise_yeshua
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Out of order is chaos. Give an example of chaos that maintains sequence.
It must maintain sequence. Reason requires it. The Word of God requires.
Isa 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
