Gods Inability to save

TedT said:
Not in PCE theology. We self created ourselves as elect or as reprobate by our free will faith decisions before the foundation of the world.

GOD could not create the reprobate as evil and already condemned (Jn 3:18) because by definition dark cannot proceed from light, and evil cannot proceed from loving righteousness.
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God specifically made the wicked reprobate for the day of evil, destruction Prov 16:4

4 The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil. Jer 17:18

Let them be confounded that persecute me, but let not me be confounded: let them be dismayed, but let not me be dismayed: bring upon them the day of evil, and destroy them with double destruction.
 
brightfame52 said:
God specifically made the wicked reprobate for the day of evil, destruction Prov 16:4
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My contention that this refers to their lives here on earth, Matt 13:36-38, and not to their creation as persons with a free will able to become HIS Bride by putting their faith in HIM is not denied by this vain repetition.
 
TedT said:
My contention that this refers to their lives here on earth, Matt 13:36-38, and not to their creation as persons with a free will able to become HIS Bride by putting their faith in HIM is not denied by this vain repetition.
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God specifically made the wicked reprobate for the day of evil, destruction Prov 16:4
 
civic said:
Nope we are created in His image.

Next fallacy
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only if we are the children of God, not so for the children of the devil. Now if we are the children of God it shall be manifested at hew birth 1 Jn 3:10

10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
 
brightfame52 said:
only if we are the children of God, not so for the children of the devil. Now if we are the children of God it shall be manifested at hew birth 1 Jn 3:10

10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
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Children of the devil has to do with who you serve.

Nice try
 
civic said:
Children of the devil has to do with who you serve.

Nice try
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Children of the devil are the seed of the serpent and have no choice but to do his will, his lust Jn 8:44

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

They will do his lust Jesus said, they are not redeemable. The children of God are who Jesus died to redeem Jn 11:50-52

50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.

51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;

52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

Jesus died to save the children of God who fell in Adam
 
brightfame52 said:
Children of the devil are the seed of the serpent and have no choice but to do his will, his lust Jn 8:44

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
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You're right BF.
Before salvation we are of the devil.
And the lusts of that father we will do.
John 8:44 your verse.

But look....Paul tells us WHY we will do them:

Romans 8:16
16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?


Note: Paul is teaching that we OFFER OURSELVES to someone as slaves.
And we are slaves of the one WE OBEY.

God gives us a CHOICE as to whom to offer ourselves...
to whom we obey.


brightfame52 said:
He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

They will do his lust Jesus said, they are not redeemable. The children of God are who Jesus died to redeem Jn 11:50-52

50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.

51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;

52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

Jesus died to save the children of God who fell in Adam
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But WHY did Jesus have to die for the children of God who fell in Adam??

Wasn't it God to begin with that decreed that Adam should fall?

You said that ONLY God has free will.....
so apparently God decreed Adam to fail/fall.

Wasn't that a rather silly thing for God to do
AND THEN
have to have His one and only Son die to redeem some people?

Wouldn't it have been better to just decree that Adam would NOT fall....??
 
brightfame52 said:
only if we are the children of God, not so for the children of the devil. Now if we are the children of God it shall be manifested at hew birth 1 Jn 3:10

10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
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Woops. There you go again...
posting scripture that DOES NOT support your position.

You posted:
1 John 3:10 your verse
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.


Please note what John is saying:
Whosoever DOETH NOT righteousness is not of God.

Whosoever DOETH NOT

It's what we DO NOT DO that makes us unrighteous.

IOW, it's of our own Free Will to choose TO NOT DO. (righteousness).
 
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GodsGrace said:
I think God already did once.....

I think He said He wouldn't do it again.

God has the power to do anything He wants to do.

Apparently, however, He just can't seem to get everyone saved..
even though He WOULD WANT TO....

Odd.

1 Timothy 2:3-4
3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.


Now why do you suppose that is?
Is God sovereign or not?
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You assume your understanding of your proof text. I can answer easily. God saves all He intends to save. All those He has given to the Son. All those He draws that will be raised on the last day.
 

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