civic
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Agreed
Gods Inability to save
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brightfame52
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civic
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Nope God created man in His own image. He did not create sinners
brightfame52
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brightfame52
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Some men God created for destruction Rom 9
civic
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That’s His chosen Israel.
It’s possible He created you for destruction right ?
You are chosen/ elect right ?
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brightfame52
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Yes it is possible He created me for destruction, as well as yourself.
civic
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Nope I’m saved
brightfame52
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Okay if you say so, yet He created some for destruction, they are even now being reserved by Him for hell to be punished 2 Pet 2:9
The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
Eternally-Grateful
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this should make every normal. god fearing. god loving moral person around shudder where they stand
if any one sentence could totally destroy the reputation of a loving God. then this is it.
civic
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It’s an assault on Gods Good name and character
Dizerner
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This is a very strange response.
Anyone honestly trying to communicate their position is not going to actively try to hide it.
Eternally-Grateful
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there is a special place reserved in hell for false teachers who knowingly distort the word of God and lead people to hell. as peter explains.
But they deserve it, they were not created for it
Dizerner
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I think I understand the point you are making, but this is imprecisely stated. We do not want to say straight up that God is "unable" to do anything, as if God were lower or less power in his attributes, or paint the picture of a weak or helpless God, right. The whole challenge, the whole difficulty here, is that God is allowing evil, see, and it's not that he "just can't help evil because he is so weak." If you say God is all powerful here, and thankfully you do, then we cannot define his unfulfilled desire as an "inability," because he is actually able. We should rather say that God is "unwilling" to override free will here, rather than unable.
All these theological challenges concerning this problem boil down to the old trilemma here. The Epicurean paradox presents a philosophical problem about the nature of God and the existence of evil:
1. If God is willing to prevent evil but not able, then He is not all-powerful.
2. If God is able to prevent evil but not willing, then He is not all-good (or malevolent).
3. If God is both able and willing to prevent evil, then why does evil exist?
∴ If God is neither able nor willing to prevent evil, then why call Him God?
When we question this conclusion, we do not want to question the logic that is sound. And which one of the points is the weak link, the problem here? It is not actually #1 nor #3, which are both logically sound. But #2 is the mistaken premise here. God can have good morally justifiable reasons to allow evil, and that invalidates the conclusion. But by suggesting God is unable, #1 instead is being attacked by making a weaker or less powerful god, who just has no options or ability to prevent evil, a lower kind of demigod. But the Biblical God takes full responsibility for all he creates and does not shy away from the consequences.
So when God gives his creation the power of delegation and free will, it is not because God has to do that, but rather it is only because God wants to do that, that is, free will is not an inability but a desire of God.
Dizerner
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I would not say Calvinism is a damnable sin. It is in fact more evil to put goodness in man than evil in God. The reason for this, is because someone who accuses God of some evil can still rely upon God's mercy and grace and admit their failings and unworthiness. But a man who thinks himself too good will not even admit he needs the mercy of God.
brightfame52
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Everyone deserved, but God created some for it, and the others He created that deserved it, He created them for mercy
Eternally-Grateful
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I believe them my brothers.. But they give God a bad name
Eternally-Grateful
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No He did not
He died for them
dude. You will meet God one day, I suggest you stop tearing down his character and his integrity..
brightfame52
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Why would God send Christ to die for them He created for the purpose of wrath and destruction ?
Not in PCE theology. We self created ourselves as elect or as reprobate by our free will faith decisions before the foundation of the world.
GOD could not create the reprobate as evil and already condemned (Jn 3:18) because by definition dark cannot proceed from light, and evil cannot proceed from loving righteousness.
