jeremiah1five
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You are understanding the letter of the Torah/Law when the Torah/Law is spiritual, and as such you haven't fully understood the spiritual aspect of the sacrifices God commands His people to perform. Here's an example of the spiritual aspect of the Torah/Law:Nothing you state shows the sacrificial law, the ceremonial law is still in effect
If you are going to obey the sacrificial law you will be subtracting from Christ one time sacrifice for all. You would not be pleasing God. If you continue to see ceremonial law as binding you run afoul of the New covenant scripture which state
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit:
A broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
Psalms 51:17.
Now let's see if you can find the letter of the Law this corresponds to.
Psst...you will fail, and you will fail because like the Pharisees you, too, only understand the letter of the Law and not the spiritual.
You are taking the spiritual aspect of these words and interpreting them from a letter of the Law perspective. This is why you haven't yet understood the passages you quote. Like Ephesians 4:9-11. Every carnal Christian sees it the way you do which should be of concern to you and what you see things, ;ike Scripture, with a carnal mind and understanding. And so these words apply to you:Galatians 4:9–11 (KJV 1900) — 9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? 10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. 11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: Eph 4:18.
Saul said in Romans 7, "the Law is spiritual, but I am carnal sold under sin." So, if with your carnal mind you are looking at the spiritual words of the passages you posted above (Eph. 4:9-11), then you're not going to understand what Saul is really saying. So, let me give you a clue. Beginning in Ephesians 4:1 and through to verse 20 Saul uses the word "Christ." In verse 21 he uses "Jesus." Do you know the significance of why he does this?
By quoting Romans 14:4-5 you are placing yourself as the "weak brother" in relation to @koberstein who is the "strong brother" because of his knowledge and insights which you are saying you don't have. Just as the strong brother was persuaded through his knowledge, he could eat anything and your weak conscience limits you to eating herbs (milk) according to your, or should I say, the "weak brothers" weak conscience. But if you were to give yourself a chance, I think you can learn something (meat) from @koberstein. But it's up to you. Christians come on sites like this thinking they know the Doctrines of Christ and in their arrogance and pride are not like little children and humble to learn something new from someone else here. In other words, I can tell @koberstein is not a neophyte or babe in Christ but a mature believer because I judge what he posts, and I haven't yet found opportunity to contradict him by saying he is incorrect in a thing. We both may understand the use and purpose of God's Torah/Law in true, biblical Christianity and you don't, and instead of asking sincerely to be enlightened on this subject you post trying to contradict us both by rejecting God's Word and even try to use God's Word to prove our use of the Word of God as incorrect. This makes no sense at all. Case in point:Romans 14:4-5 (KJV)
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
that mitagates against your position. If even Jewish Christians are not required to observe the things mentioned above how can you refer to them as eternal
And you are completely in error regarding
conflating Satans with what transpires in the New heaven and earth
Revelation 21 (KJV 1900) — 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
this is after the release and the casting of Satan into the fire
Think about this for a second: The things Jesus taught was more aligned with what the Pharisees taught and not what the Sadducees taught. Rabbi Jesus taught the resurrection from the dead, the existence of angels, and a few other things while the Sadducees rejected these things. If anything, Jesus would not have had any conflict with the Pharisees at all, but He did, and do you want to know why this was so even though they both taught and believed similarly on these subjects? It was because the Pharisees could only teach and believe the letter of the Torah/Law and Jesus taught the people the spirit of the Torah/Law. That was where most of their conflict lay. And it is the same with you. You see the Torah/Law with a carnal mind and understand it like the Pharisees did, with only a letter of the Law perspective. And I would even accuse other Gentile Christians of the same thing who reject the Word of God where the Torah/Law is concerned. These Christians cannot understand the spiritual aspect of God's Torah/Law and what they don't understand is only a skip and jump to rejecting outright what they don't understand. They are not humble to say, "I don't understand what you are saying, can you teach me?"