brightfame52
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Jesus was never in the loins physically of any man, that opposes the Virgin Birth. You must deny the virgin birth.
God Has Made No Covenant With Gentiles
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koberstein
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Yeshua is of the seed (genealogy) of Abraham.
jeremiah1five
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There were no heathens (non-Hebrew Gentiles) discussed in the Abrahamic Covenant in Genesis 17. Those "nations" and "kings" that would "come out of thee" meaning Abram the HEBREW are the descendants of Ishmael and Esau, NOT Italian, NOT Greek, NOT Chinese, NOT German, NOT Mexican.
So, by bringing up Abraham Saul mentions those that would be blessed are the descendants of Ishmael and Esau, who through their descendants founded the non-Hebrew tribes that lived in the middle east and surrounding Israel, and there are many other people's whose lineage can be traced back to Ishmael and Esau.
jeremiah1five
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The sin nature is transferred through the sperm of man. Remove the man from the equation and Jesus has a human nature but not a sinful nature and can be a substitute for sinful man (men and women.)
Your theology causes a breach between the natural process of human birth and causes a separation between God and man in which He cannot be our substitute if there is any manipulation of her human egg by God. You've become so spiritually minded that you're no earthly good in making her egg supernatural when it was a perfectly normal human egg. The miracle was taking a perfectly normal and natural human egg and joining the Second Person into a hupostasis while maintain Jesus' human, uncreated, unmanipulated, unsupernaturalized conception.
I reject any postulation that Mary's egg was supernaturally tampered with and DNA removed from which was used to conceive Jesus the MAN. God used a perfectly natural, normal egg.
jeremiah1five
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If the human aspect of Jesus does not descend to Abraham through natural lineage, then He cannot be in Covenant and the recipient of all its promises. He's be the Pretender Messiah.
brightfame52
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Yes it is True. Gentiles is meant in Gal 3:8
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
confirmed here Rom 3:30
30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision[Gentiles] through faith.
This destroys your argument !
brightfame52
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Jesus was no mans physical seed, thats a lie. He received His dna from Mary His Mother, and He was supernaturally placed in her womb.
brightfame52
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Jesus was never in the loins physically of any man, that opposes the Virgin Birth. You must deny the virgin birth. And I have told you Jesus received His Jewish DNA from Mary, she was a direct Physical descendant of David from the Tribe of Judah
jeremiah1five
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Then if he was no man's descendants all the way and up to Mary, then he cannot be the Savior. He cannot be human. At the appointed time God use the correct, natural, and normal egg of Mary and the Holy Spirit joined the Son of God with the egg of Mary. He used the whole egg.
jeremiah1five
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God used the whole egg. He didn't do anything to the egg except join the egg to the Son of God in conception.
brightfame52
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Jesus was no mans physical seed, thats a lie. He received His dna from Mary His Mother, and He was supernaturally placed in her womb.
brightfame52
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Jesus was never in the loins physically of any man, that opposes the Virgin Birth. You must deny the virgin birth. And I have told you Jesus received His Jewish DNA from Mary, she was a direct Physical descendant of David from the Tribe of Judah
jeremiah1five
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God used a whole, naturally generated egg from Mary and...
...He was supernaturally conceived IN her womb.
jeremiah1five
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Then Jesus is not a man in the natural sense, and if not a descendant from Abraham, then Jesus is not his seed and cannot be recipient of the covenant promises of God.
He is, in your belief, a pretender to the throne.
An Antichrist ("for, or instead of" is the definition of the word, right?)
Complete
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'And the angel said unto her,
Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb,
and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest:
and the Lord God shall give unto Him the throne of His father David:
And He shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever;
and of His kingdom there shall be no end.
Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
And the angel answered and said unto her,
The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee:
therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.'
(Luk 1:30-35)
Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb,
and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest:
and the Lord God shall give unto Him the throne of His father David:
And He shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever;
and of His kingdom there shall be no end.
Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
And the angel answered and said unto her,
The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee:
therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.'
(Luk 1:30-35)
101G
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post scripture to that claim, for 101G has scripture that refute that nonsense.
101G.
101G
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Complete
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'But while he (Joseph) thought on these things,
behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream,
saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife:
for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS:
for he shall save his people from their sins.
Now all this was done,
that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son,
and they shall call His name Emmanuel,
which being interpreted is, God with us.'
(Mat 1:20-23)
behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream,
saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife:
for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS:
for he shall save his people from their sins.
Now all this was done,
that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son,
and they shall call His name Emmanuel,
which being interpreted is, God with us.'
(Mat 1:20-23)
101G
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brightfame52
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Yeah, but how did He get into her ? It doesnt specify He was of Her Egg, He was put into Her , its says He was OF the Holy Ghost Matt 1:18,20
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
Both times the prep of source ek is used the word means:
- out of, from, by, away from
See even though He was born Physically His Origin was Heaven not marys egg Jn 6:32
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
Jn 8:23
And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
