God Has Made No Covenant With Gentiles

100% correct. for the term "overshadow" is the KEYWORD to understand.

101G.
'And the angel answered and said unto her,
The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee,
and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee:
therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee
shall be called the Son of God.'

(Luk.1:35)

Hello @101G,

G1982 - ἐπισκιάζω - episkiazōn (ep-ee-skee-ad'-zo)
From G1909 and a derivative of G4639;
Meaning:- to cast a shade upon, that is, (by analogy) to envelop in a haze of brilliancy;
Figuratively to invest with preternatural influence
Translated:- overshadow
Total KJV occurrences: 5 ( Mat.17:5; Mar.9:7; Luk.1:35; 9:34; Acts 5:15 )

* In Luke 1:35, God is put for the power manifested by Him.
* 'That Holy Thing' - for that (neuter) begotten within her.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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Yeah, but how did He get into her ? It doesnt specify He was of Her Egg, He was put into Her , its says He was OF the Holy Ghost Matt 1:18,20
correct.
Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing, (thing, here means flesh), which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God". notice shall be called, not named, but called Son of God, (flesh is born), Son of God means flesh on earth. go back to Isaiah. 9:6, "unto us a child is born". so Son of God means, flesh in nature, a nature that will suffer the cross.
note also the word overshadow, it's the Greek word G1982 ἐπισκιάζω episkiazo (ep-ee-skee-ad'-zo) v.
1. to cast a shade upon
2. (by analogy) to envelop in a haze of brilliancy
3. (figuratively) to invest with preternatural influence

take note of the 3rd. reference. "to invest with preternatural influence", what do preternatural means. "out of the ordinary course of nature; exceptional or abnormal". the meaning here, not in the natural way of conception between a man and a women. for the scripture states, "prepare me a body"', Hebrews 10:5. now notice it said prepare, not create a body. because God always existed, and by making or preparing a body as he did Adam's with preexisting material, earth. God, with his preexistence, the first law of thermodynamic is not violated, and as he did with the heaven, as well with the earth, he can make, prepare anything he wants, by simply speaking it into existent. so that body/flesh was prepared/made from the invisible, made he it visible. The flesh/body was made visible to enclosed the spirit. which fulfils Isaiah 9:6.

101G.
 
'For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:
and the government shall be upon His shoulder:
and His name shall be called
.. Wonderful,
..... Counsellor,
...... The mighty God,
........ The everlasting Father,
.......... The Prince of Peace.
Of the increase of His government and peace there shall be no end,
upon the throne of David, and upon His kingdom,
to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice
from henceforth even for ever.
The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.'

(Isa 9:6-7)

Hello @101G,

Yes, fulfillment in the time then present, and in the time to come.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
@101G

Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing, (thing, here means flesh), which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God". notice shall be called, not named, but called Son of God, (flesh is born), Son of God means flesh on earth. go back to Isaiah. 9:6, "unto us a child is born unto us a son is given:
Jesus had a Heavenly Origin before His Incarnation,

Hence He could say something that none of the physical descendants of Abraham can say,

Jn 8:23

And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

Even Marys other children could say that !
 
Hello @jeremiah1five,

Israel are associated with a covenant, old and new. Believing Gentiles during the Acts period were blessed with faithful Abraham, but by nature and in the flesh the Gentile were strangers from the covenant of promise, and in the teaching of the Prison Epistles, written at the end of the Acts period, (Eph. Phil, Col, 2 Tim, Titus & Phile) no covenant of any description is known.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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(Re: #327 & #324)

'Wherefore remember,
that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh,
who are called Uncircumcision
by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
That at that time ye were without Christ,
being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel,
and strangers from the covenants of promise,
having no hope, and without God in the world:

But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off
are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
For He is our peace, Who hath made both one,
and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Having abolished in His flesh the enmity,
even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;
for to make in Himself of twain one new man, so making peace;'

(Eph 2:11-15)

'And that He might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross,
having slain the enmity thereby:

And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners,
but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets,
Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.'

(Eph 2:16-22)

Praise God!
 
Hello @jeremiah1five,

Israel are associated with a covenant, old and new. Believing Gentiles during the Acts period were blessed with faithful Abraham, but by nature and in the flesh the Gentile were strangers from the covenant of promise, and in the teaching of the Prison Epistles, written at the end of the Acts period,no covenant of any description is known.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
my dear sister. I'm not sure the Gentiles was not strangers from the covenant of promise. for our brother Job, (who was a son of God was keep God natural Law which we are under today as was required of God from the beginning.

101G.
 
my dear sister. I'm not sure the Gentiles was not strangers from the covenant of promise. for our brother Job, (who was a son of God was keep God natural Law which we are under today as was required of God from the beginning.

101G.
'And the sons of Issachar;
Tola, and Phuvah, and Job, and Shimron.'

(Gen 46:13)

Hello @101G,

The covenants of promise were made with Israel as a nation, though weren't they? Job, who was possibly the son of Issachar (Gen. 46:13 above). The three friends of Job being descendants of Esau. Job was a worshipper of the God of Abraham, and knew that His Redeemer lived (Job 19:25):, and that He would one day stand upon the earth (Job 30:20), and that He (Job) would see Him in his flesh (Job 19:26). So, he obviously believed in the resurrection of the dead.

The only promise that is made with believing Gentiles following the Acts period though, is the promise of life, which was promised before the world began, (Titus 1:2), and not made with us directly, but with Christ Himself, no contractual agreements have been made with us, we are complete 'in Christ' Himself. ( Eph. Phil. Col. 2 Tim. Titus, Phile )

Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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the Lord Jesus has no Origin, read Isaiah 9:6 again. Son of God do have a Origin the Son of Man is not born.

101G.
'And the Word was made flesh,
and dwelt among us,
(and we beheld His glory,
the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,)
full of grace and truth.'

(Joh 1:14)

God's only begotten Son.

Praise His Holy Name!

:)
 
Huh ? The scripture says He came down from Heaven ?
the Son of man, (spirit, the Ordinal Last), came from heaven to inhabit a body he prepared that is called the Son of God. please understand ... "Flesh and blood did not come from heaven". that body, (flesh bone and blood), came out of Mary. supportive scripture, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."

the son of God is born, not the son of man who came from heaven...... understand now?

what was born of Mary was flesh bone and blood. natural flesh, bone and blood did not come from heaven. please know and understand the son of man, (the inward man), and the son of God, (the outward man).

101G
 
The covenants of promise were made with Israel as a nation, though weren't they?
first, thanks for the reply. second, the covenant of promise was made with all mankind from the day man sinned in the garden. Genesis 3:15 "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."
notice the term "SEED" meaning one. just as with Abraham ... being reaffirmed. Genesis 17:7 "And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee." Please note, this covenant of promist was future tense. "And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant," first, will establish was not then, but it is "PROMISE" to come. second, "after thee in their generations", so the covenant will be generations after Abraham. and third, "for an everlasting covenant" meaning if the Mosaic covenant was EVERLASTING it would be in force now. so the Mosaic covenant was not EVERLASTING. so, this promise of Covenant was not made with the Nation of Israel. but was made with all mankind. for the promise was by Faith.
Job, who was possibly the son of Issachar (Gen. 46:13 above).
thanks, for you have made my point. the covenant of promise is not according to the flesh, but to the Spirit. listen, how was Job a "son of God?". A. he was righteous, yes righteous. supportive scripture. Job 1:1 "There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil."

not only was Job Perfect, but he was "UPRIGHT" and upright in Hebrew is,
H3477 יָשָׁר yashar (yaw-shawr') adj.
straight.
{literally or figuratively}
[from H3474]
KJV: convenient, equity, Jasher, just, meet(-est), + pleased well right(-eous), straight, (most) upright(-ly, -ness).
Root(s): H3474

BINGO, there is our word. the KJV can translate "upright" as Just, which is short for Justification. and we all know what Justification means right.... it means Declared "RIGHTIOUS". this is why Job was a son of God, because he walked with God. and by walking with God this is why he was called a son of God. supportive scripture, Job 1:3 "His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east."

please note the term "men" here in verse 3. it is the Hebrew word, H1121 בֵּן ben (bane). the same exact word used in Genesis 6:4.
H1121 בֵּן ben (bane) n-m.
בָּנִים baniym (ba-neem') [plural]
בְּנִי bniy (ben-ee') [possessive singular]
בָּנַי banay (baw-nah'ee) [possessive plural]
(used widely) a son (as a builder of the family name).
{in the widest sense of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, etc., (like H1 H251, etc.).}
[from H1129]
KJV: + afflicted, age, (Ahoh-) (Ammon-) (Hachmon-) (Lev-)ite, (anoint-)ed one, appointed to, (+) arrow, (Assyr-) (Babylon-) (Egypt-) (Grec-)ian, one born, bough, branch, breed, + (young) bullock, + (young) calf, X came up in, child, colt, X common, X corn, daughter, X of first, + firstborn, foal, + very fruitful, + postage, X in, + kid, + lamb, (+) man, meet, + mighty, + nephew, old, (+) people, + rebel, + robber, X servant born, X soldier, son, + spark, + steward, + stranger, X surely, them of, + tumultuous one, + valiant(-est), whelp, worthy, young (one), youth.
Root(s): H1129

now STOP and think. Job was not Jewish, nor an Israelite. also take Moses father in law, Jethro. he was priest of God before Israel was born as a nation. Exodus 3:1 "Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb."

please understand Gentiles was Keeping God General Natural Law, and this Law was written on their hearts. listen, Romans 2:14 "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:" LISTEN CLOSLEY, Romans 2:15 "Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)" so the question that must be ask...... what LAW was written in the Gentiles hearts? answer, Micah 6:8 "He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?" this is exactly what God REQUIRE TODAY. if one LOVE, he do justly, or do RIGHTIOUSNESS. if one LOVE, he is Merciful. if one LOVE, he walks humbly with his God. the REQUIREMENT was then UNDER the OT, and is now, under the NT. and some Gentiles, not all, but many was LIVING with God under those Requirement. as the apostle said, "Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)"
The only promise that is made with believing Gentiles following the Acts period though, is the promise of life, which was promised before the world began, (Titus 1:2), and not made with us directly, but with Christ Himself, no contractual agreements have been made with us, we are complete 'in Christ' Himself. ( Eph. Phil. Col. 2 Tim. Titus, Phile )
correct, in Christ is by FAITH. and these gentiles .... many was Living by FAITH. a fact which Israel was to LEARN.

101G.
 
'And the Word was made flesh,
and dwelt among us,
(and we beheld His glory,
the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,)
full of grace and truth.'

(Joh 1:14)
ANSWER, Hebrews 2:14 "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;"

please note: and understand the difference between "partake" and "took part". please re-read Hebrews 2:14 above again.

101G.
 
Yeah, but how did He get into her ? It doesnt specify He was of Her Egg, He was put into Her , its says He was OF the Holy Ghost Matt 1:18,20

Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
Both times the prep of source ek is used the word means:

  1. out of, from, by, away from
ek; a primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence action or motion proceeds), from, out (of place, time, or cause; literal or figurative; direct or remote)

See even though He was born Physically His Origin was Heaven not marys egg Jn 6:32

Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

Jn 8:23


And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
Both the human and the Deity is expressed by Jesus. The human: He was hungry, weak, sorrowful, got tired.
The Deity: He walked on water, knew men's hearts.
It wasn't man became God, but that God became man. He was fully human and fully God. That is the Doctrine of the Hypostatic Union.
If He is not born a descendant of Abraham, then He is neither a descendant of David. But He is both a descendant of Abraham (of your seed, not seeds) and of David or He cannot sit on the throne of David.
Now can He be Israel's Savior.
He is the bridge as a Man to represent Man to God, and as God to represent God to man. If there is any breach in this connection to man, then He saves nobody.
 
the Son of man, (spirit, the Ordinal Last), came from heaven to inhabit a body he prepared that is called the Son of God. please understand ... "Flesh and blood did not come from heaven". that body, (flesh bone and blood), came out of Mary. supportive scripture, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."

the son of God is born, not the son of man who came from heaven...... understand now?

what was born of Mary was flesh bone and blood. natural flesh, bone and blood did not come from heaven. please know and understand the son of man, (the inward man), and the son of God, (the outward man).

101G
Im simply saying, Christs origin is from heaven. 1 Cor 15 47

The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
 
Both the human and the Deity is expressed by Jesus. The human: He was hungry, weak, sorrowful, got tired.
The Deity: He walked on water, knew men's hearts.
It wasn't man became God, but that God became man. He was fully human and fully God. That is the Doctrine of the Hypostatic Union.
If He is not born a descendant of Abraham, then He is neither a descendant of David. But He is both a descendant of Abraham (of your seed, not seeds) and of David or He cannot sit on the throne of David.
Now can He be Israel's Savior.
He is the bridge as a Man to represent Man to God, and as God to represent God to man. If there is any breach in this connection to man, then He saves nobody.
Jesus was never in the loins of any man. No one is denying His Humanity or Deity, you are totally confused. He fulfilled the Davidic Promise through Mary a Physical Descendant of David, not through any mans loins. The hypostatic union isnt in jeopardy, that's your camaflouge for your deception, since you believe a lie
 
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