God Has Made No Covenant With Gentiles

[brightfame52]

@koberstein

If you don't believe me go ahead and rip the Old Testament out of your Bible

It testfies of Christ so its very profitable for the New Covenant era Jn 5 39


Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
The Gentiles in berea searched them Acts 17:10-12
10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.

11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.

Paul preached to the Gentile Church in Corinth, and he used the scriptures of the OT to preach Christ to them 1 Cor 15:1-4

Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Abraham believed the Gospel from the OT and knew Gentiles were to be blessed Gal 3:8
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations [Gentiles]be blessed.

 

[jeremiah1five]

@jeremiah1five
False, the Covenant is made with Abrahams Spiritual Seed Christ, Christ isnt literally Abrahams Physical Seed, He was never in the loins of Abraham physically Gal 3:16

Of course, Jesus was in the [physical] loins of Abraham and of his seed. Who told you He wasn't?

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

And their is a Federal Union of Christ and Body the Church, so the Abrahamic Promises are #1 In Christ Abrahams Spiritual Seed, #2 Spiritual in Nature #3 and includes Christs Spiritual Seed in Him, for He and they are One.

Yes, Christ is the seed to whom the Promises were eventually given. But being born-again and in the body of Christ does not mean you are in the Abrahamic Covenant because God was clear the covenant is made with Abram the Hebrew and his seed and Gentiles are NOT his seed nor do Gentiles come from the loins of Abraham. You're believing Gentile heresy of the past 1900 years.

7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Gen. 17:6–7.

When God repeats Himself, He does that to be unmistakably clear. The Abrahamic Covenant is with Abram the Hebrew's seed and Gentiles are not his seed. Nor is there any miraculous DNA change when one becomes born-again. Gentiles do not miraculously become Hebrew/Jewish when they become born-again.
That would be more Constantinian Gentile Heresy. And Gentiles have a great deal of heresy in their theology such as the error of becoming Christian and miraculously a Gentile is changed into a Jew!

 

[jeremiah1five]

Your claim regarding what I believe. Did you not read?

I stated

You assume a lot. I stated nothing about jews being cast away



ER they were cuttoff

Romans 11:19–20 (KJV 1900) — 19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:





No matter how you slice it sacrificial law, dietary laws , ceremonial laws are not binding in the new covenant

Galatians 4:9–11 (KJV 1900) — 9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? 10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. 11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Colossians 2:16–17 (ESV) — 16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.



Romans 14:4-5 (KJV)

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.








Duh that mitagates against your position. If even Jewish Christians are not required to observe the things mentioned above how can you refer to them as eternal

See verses above






sorry but the following passage refutes you

Ephesians 2:11–19 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

previous status

strangers from the covenants of promise,
Status after faith in Christ

Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

Your claims are unbiblical

God's Torah as Creator are for His people to know how to worship God and how to live among brethren.
If there is no Torah for His people to obey and follow then there will be mass leaning upon one's own understanding in the vanity of their minds.
But thank God that's not the case. God knows what's good for His people, from what to do if someone dies at the hand of another, or what kind of worship God permits to what's healthy foods to eat.
But Gentiles would rather eat their hamburgers and fries and steak with the blood still in it (medium rare.)
Anyone who does not obey Christ's commandments - and His commandments are the Torah He taught the people when He was here - show they don't love Christ.
If you love me obey my commandments, He said.

And anyone who does not obey God's Torah/Law will not have the right to the tree of life.

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. Rev. 22:13–14.

If you're not obeying God's Torah then you're not blessed but cursed and will not enter the gates of the city but will find yourself on the outside:

15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Rev. 22:14–15.

And if you're outside the city because you don't obey Christ's commandments (Ten Commandments, the Social Law, the Ceremonial Law) then you will align yourself with Satan and make one last push against the Jews but firs from heaven consumes y'all.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Rev. 20:7–10.

You see, Zechariah says that when God sits on His throne that He will cleanse the Promised Land of all Gentiles and the Jews will finally have their Promised Land all to themselves under Messiah's rule. This means that Gentiles will reside and occupy the surrounding lands called the "four corners of the earth."
When Satan is loosed from his prison guess who he deceives and gets them to attack Israel?
Everyone living outside the Promised Land and living in the "four corners of the earth."
THIS IS the Word of God.

 

[koberstein]

Nope
Old covenant sacrifices are abolished. We are not required to observe days, months, times and years



Romans 14:4-5 (KJV)

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.



Galatians 4:9-11 (KJV)

9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

If nothing is required in the Old Testament why keep it and read it? Don't be a hypocrite. Get rid of it. This is not about sacrifices. I do remember the Jewish New Year and the other Jewish Biblical holidays because the point to Messiah. I don't remember and detest the Protestant pagan holidays of Christmas and Easter.

 

[TomL]

God's Torah as Creator are for His people to know how to worship God and how to live among brethren.
If there is no Torah for His people to obey and follow then there will be mass leaning upon one's own understanding in the vanity of their minds.
But thank God that's not the case. God knows what's good for His people, from what to do if someone dies at the hand of another, or what kind of worship God permits to what's healthy foods to eat.
But Gentiles would rather eat their hamburgers and fries and steak with the blood still in it (medium rare.)
Anyone who does not obey Christ's commandments - and His commandments are the Torah He taught the people when He was here - show they don't love Christ.
If you love me obey my commandments, He said.

And anyone who does not obey God's Torah/Law will not have the right to the tree of life.

Agaain


No matter how you slice it sacrificial law, dietary laws , ceremonial laws are not binding in the new covenant

Galatians 4:9–11 (KJV 1900) — 9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? 10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. 11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Colossians 2:16–17 (ESV) — 16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.



Romans 14:4-5 (KJV)

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

that mitagates against your position. If even Jewish Christians are not required to observe the things mentioned above how can you refer to them as eternal

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. Rev. 22:13–14.

If you're not obeying God's Torah then you're not blessed but cursed and will not enter the gates of the city but will find yourself on the outside:

15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Rev. 22:14–15.

That is in the new heaven and new earth not an earthly millenium and it is not speaking of old covenant sacrifices, dietary laws to religious practices

And if you're outside the city because you don't obey Christ's commandments (Ten Commandments, the Social Law, the Ceremonial Law) then you will align yourself with Satan and make one last push against the Jews but firs from heaven consumes y'all.

Nothing in mentioned concerning sacrificial or ceremonial law

You are reading your views into scripture

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Rev. 20:7–10.

You see, Zechariah says that when God sits on His throne that He will cleanse the Promised Land of all Gentiles and the Jews will finally have their Promised Land all to themselves under Messiah's rule. This means that Gentiles will reside and occupy the surrounding lands called the "four corners of the earth."
When Satan is loosed from his prison guess who he deceives and gets them to attack Israel?
Everyone living outside the Promised Land and living in the "four corners of the earth."
THIS IS the Word of God.

Sorry Rev 20:7-10 does not say that

It does state he will devour those who encompass the camp of the saints to destroy

You are reading your prejudices into the text

 

[TomL]

If nothing is required in the Old Testament why keep it and read it? Don't be a hypocrite. Get rid of it. This is not about sacrifices. I do remember the Jewish New Year and the other Jewish Biblical holidays because the point to Messiah. I don't remember and detest the Protestant pagan holidays of Christmas and Easter.

Certainly there are lessons to be gained from reading the Old testament and God's moral law does not change but sacrificial law, dietary and ceremonial laws a Christian is not obliged to follow as scripture shows

 

[koberstein]

Certainly there are lessons to be gained from reading the Old testament and God's moral law does not change but sacrificial law, dietary and ceremonial laws a Christian is not obliged to follow as scripture shows

It's amazing to me that Orthodox, Reform, and Conservative Judaism are a one covenant religion only looking at their Hebrew Bible and the Old Covenant and waiting for the future Messiah. On the flip side, the Protestant religion is a one covenant religion also chosing to only look at the New Covenant and basically ignoring the Old Covenant. The Messianic Jewish Community looks at both the New and Old Covenants to study and obey. Man is a covenant breaker and God is a covenant maker. God has kept all the Covenants He has made and they still stand today.The Old Testament connects and is the foundation to the New Testament. You can't have one without the other. Just in one of my earlier replies, you can't have a second floor in a home without the first.

 

[TomL]

It's amazing to me that Orthodox, Reform, and Conservative Judaism are a one covenant religion only looking at their Hebrew Bible and the Old Covenant and waiting for the future Messiah. On the flip side, the Protestant religion is a one covenant religion also chosing to only look at the New Covenant and basically ignoring the Old Covenant. The Messianic Jewish Community looks at both the New and Old Covenants to study and obey. Man is a covenant breaker and God is a covenant maker. God has kept all the Covenants He has made and they still stand today.The Old Testament connects and is the foundation to the New Testament. You can't have one without the other. Just in one of my earlier replies, you can't have a second floor in a home without the first.

Where have you shown the sacrificial, and ceremonial law of the old covenant are still in effect

Fact is that Orthodox, Reform, and Conservative Judaism missed the coming of their savior, having rejected him for the most part

The New Covenant deals with him who was announced under the old covenant

And according to scripture had these actually believed Moses they would have believed Christ and if they Loved the Father they would have loved Christ. If they heard God's word, they would have heard Christ

 

[koberstein]

Where have you shown the sacrificial, and ceremonial law of the old covenant are still in effect

Fact is that Orthodox, Reform, and Conservative Judaism missed the coming of their savior, having rejected him for the most part

The New Covenant deals with him who was announced under the old covenant

And according to scripture had these actually believed Moses they would have believed Christ and if they Loved the Father they would have loved Christ. If they heard God's word, they would have heard Christ

It's obvious you don't know much about the Old Testament. Sacrifices and tithing went away when the second Temple was destroyed in 70 AD

 

[TomL]

It's obvious you don't know much about the Old Testament. Sacrifices and tithing went away when the second Temple was destroyed in 70 AD

Duh they were a part of the old Covenant which you keep touting. The new covenant was already in effect when those things disappeared.

Apparently you do not know much about the New covenant

 

[jeremiah1five]

Agaain
No matter how you slice it sacrificial law, dietary laws , ceremonial laws are not binding in the new covenant

Galatians 4:9–11 (KJV 1900) — 9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? 10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. 11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Colossians 2:16–17 (ESV) — 16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.

Foundational to understanding any "book" or letter in the bible requires understanding many things about what document is under the microscope. This is the case with the Hebrew Scripture. First, these writings are separated by its nature or purpose. The Hebrew Scripture is divided into Torah/Law, and then the Psalms, and then the writings of the prophets of Israel. Then the prophets is divided into two groups. Major prophets and minor prophets. So, in this there are three sections we must know to help with our understanding of a document. Then, we must also be able to identify from the writings (Ketuvim) what kind of document we have before us. Is it historical? Is it a letter? Then we look at the author as well as the time it was written and what were the background cultural and political things going on when written, Then we must consider literary devices contained in the document. Is it poetry, or prophetic? Is it genealogical? Who are its main characters? Where was it written? What is being discussed? Yet, before all these things are considered it must first be determined who is the author and who are the recipients?
Examples are:
Genesis. It is a historical document written by Moses who recounts the history of creation, the beginning of the Hebrew people and God's involvement with this people. It also recounts the first of most things (first man, first birth, first death, first sin, etc.), and soon becomes a historical of the Hebrew people up to the death of one of the Hebrew patriarchs: Joseph. Then there is Exodus which was written to and for the Hebrew people. As a rule, each "book" of the Pentateuch identifies who it is being written to and for.
Exodus: "NOW these are the names of the children of Israel, which came into Egypt; every man and his household came with Jacob." Ex. 1:1.
Leviticus: "AND the LORD called unto Moses, and spake unto him out of the tabernacle of the congregation, saying, 2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them," Lev. 1:1–2.
Numbers: "Take ye the sum of all the congregation of the children of Israel, after their families, by the house of their fathers, with the number of their names, every male by their polls;" Num. 1:2.
Deuteronomy: "THESE be the words which Moses spake unto all Israel on this side Jordan in the wilderness, in the plain over against the Red sea, between Paran, and Tophel, and Laban, and Hazeroth, and Dizahab." Dt 1:1.

There is a reason why God gave to the Hebrew people authority and permission to possess and maintain their writings (oracles of God) for the writings in whole are about the Hebrew people and God's relationship with this people. No doubt non-Hebrews (Gentiles) are discussed in its pages, but the bible is a Hebrew book. From Genesis to Revelation the bible records God's dealings with the Hebrew people. God made no covenant with Gentiles. If He did there would undoubtedly be Gentile Scriptures. But He didn't and there are none.

Romans 14:4-5 (KJV)
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

that mitagates against your position. If even Jewish Christians are not required to observe the things mentioned above how can you refer to them as eternal

The bible is a Hebrew "book." Half of this book is prophetic. The other half is history, but a history of the Hebrew/Jewish people. Believers are instructed and commanded to "test the spirits to determine whether one is of God" (1 Jn. 4:1.) We are instructed and commanded to test all things, between true and false, right and wrong, good and evil.
God's Word is eternal. God's covenants are eternal just as His promises are eternal. When you first realize the Scripture from Genesis to Revelation are Hebrew writings to and for the Hebrew/Jewish people then you will be able to rightly divide (interpret) what is written. But if you continue to see the bible, especially the New Covenant writings as most all Gentile Christians do, that God wrote to Gentiles, then you cannot and will not be able to interpret what is written. You are Gentile. God has no covenant with Gentiles. None. Zero, zip, nada. God expects us to be as the Samaritan woman who knew her place in the redemptive history of God. Being a Gentile it was first, uncommon for Gentiles to know the Hebrew Scripture, especially being woman. Yes, there were Gentile proselytes and Gentile God-Fearers, even the Roman centurion seeking from Jesus a healing for his servant, he knew the Hebrew Scripture that prophesied about Israel's coming Deliverer, Redeemer, Messiah, and Lord and Savior how to identify His when He came. The Samaritan woman KNEW her place, that Israel's Messiah was prophesied TO and FOR the Hebrew/Jewish people. They both knew enough of the Hebrew Scripture to identify Israel's God. Both the Gentile woman and the Gentile centurion knew they had nothing coming to them. They knew God has covenant with Israel. The Roman centurion knew the Law concerning a Jew entering a Gentile home especially during a Feast Day. The Gentile woman seeking healing for her daughter understood and knew her place. She cried out for mercy as opposed to being in covenant and knowing what exactly a Hebrew/Jew and child of Abraham had coming to them as being in covenant.

4 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it to dogs.
27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.
28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour. Mt 15:23–28.

Jesus said this woman had "great faith." Faith in what? Faith in knowing the Hebrew Scripture identifying Israel's Redeemer and King: Jesus, and for knowing her place as Gentile, that she had nothing coming to her from Jesus, but persisted she did. And for acknowledging herself as Gentile and the Jews her master.
The same for the Roman centurion. Jesus declared him to also have "great faith." He "loved" that nation, even built them a synagogue. He, too, recognized Israel's Messiah, knew about Laws, understood Jesus' mission in saying "I say to one, go, and he goes," to which Jesus said he had great faith. And that is where our faith should rest. On Jesus.

That is in the new heaven and new earth not an earthly millenium and it is not speaking of old covenant sacrifices, dietary laws to religious practices

When a Jew became born-again the experienced Judaism Completed. And just as all the disciples from Pentecost onward they didn't give up their Judaism but with Moses' prophecy fulfilled was able to observe their Torah to a new and deeper perspective. Peter, James, John, Saul, Matthew, etc., all remained observant (to Torah) Jews even in their Christianity. Look at what is said of Saul who, as a rabbi kept on in the Jewish religion after their meeting Jesus.

20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him [SAUL], Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:
21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.
22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come.
23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them; (Mosaic vow)
24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. Acts 21:19–24.

Christianity is Completed Judaism.

Nothing in mentioned concerning sacrificial or ceremonial law
You are reading your views into scripture

Every Jew born-again continued to obey the Torah. And as I showed you above Saul also obeyed the Torah after meeting Jesus and it was perfectly comfortable for him to do so as a rabbi, Pharisee, and Jew from the tribe of Benjamin. Animal sacrifices are not the only sacrifices. The sacrifices to God is a broken heart and spirit. We sacrifice our body to God (Rom. 12.) There are wave offerings, and peace offerings, and other practices that now as the Torah/Law is spiritual and so it the person, the Torah takes on a spiritual meaning. Everything that was "letter" has now become the "spirit" of the Law. So, no, the Torah/Law of God is not "abolished" or "rescinded" or "obsolete" or "ended." It has just 'now' begun.

Sorry Rev 20:7-10 does not say that
It does state he will devour those who encompass the camp of the saints to destroy
You are reading your prejudices into the text

You're a Gentile. You won't be living in the New Jerusalem or in the New Israel called the Promised Land. If you make it to this point in God's Redemptive timetable you will live outside the Holy Land and when Satan is loosed from his prison and goes out to deceive the nations ("nations" = Gentiles) guess who are the ones being deceived?
It says it right there. If you get to study this with an honest heart and mind you will come to the same conclusion. God ahead and say it. Go ahead.

"Truth, LORD, but even the DOGS eat the crumbs from their master's table."

Good boy.

 

[koberstein]

Duh they were a part of the old Covenant which you keep touting. The new covenant was already in effect when those things disappeared.

Apparently you do not know much about the New covenant

Yes they were. I'm not touting anything.
Yeshua attended the temple regularly during his time and ministry. He also fluently knew the Torah and fulfilled it. I know enough about the New Testament to know heresy, and antisemitism when I see it or hear it.

 

[TomL]

Foundational to understanding any "book" or letter in the bible requires understanding many things about what document is under the microscope. This is the case with the Hebrew Scripture. First, these writings are separated by its nature or purpose. The Hebrew Scripture is divided into Torah/Law, and then the Psalms, and then the writings of the prophets of Israel. Then the prophets is divided into two groups. Major prophets and minor prophets. So, in this there are three sections we must know to help with our understanding of a document. Then, we must also be able to identify from the writings (Ketuvim) what kind of document we have before us. Is it historical? Is it a letter? Then we look at the author as well as the time it was written and what were the background cultural and political things going on when written, Then we must consider literary devices contained in the document. Is it poetry, or prophetic? Is it genealogical? Who are its main characters? Where was it written? What is being discussed? Yet, before all these things are considered it must first be determined who is the author and who are the recipients?
Examples are:
Genesis. It is a historical document written by Moses who recounts the history of creation, the beginning of the Hebrew people and God's involvement with this people. It also recounts the first of most things (first man, first birth, first death, first sin, etc.), and soon becomes a historical of the Hebrew people up to the death of one of the Hebrew patriarchs: Joseph. Then there is Exodus which was written to and for the Hebrew people. As a rule, each "book" of the Pentateuch identifies who it is being written to and for.
Exodus: "NOW these are the names of the children of Israel, which came into Egypt; every man and his household came with Jacob." Ex. 1:1.
Leviticus: "AND the LORD called unto Moses, and spake unto him out of the tabernacle of the congregation, saying, 2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them," Lev. 1:1–2.
Numbers: "Take ye the sum of all the congregation of the children of Israel, after their families, by the house of their fathers, with the number of their names, every male by their polls;" Num. 1:2.
Deuteronomy: "THESE be the words which Moses spake unto all Israel on this side Jordan in the wilderness, in the plain over against the Red sea, between Paran, and Tophel, and Laban, and Hazeroth, and Dizahab." Dt 1:1.

There is a reason why God gave to the Hebrew people authority and permission to possess and maintain their writings (oracles of God) for the writings in whole are about the Hebrew people and God's relationship with this people. No doubt non-Hebrews (Gentiles) are discussed in its pages, but the bible is a Hebrew book. From Genesis to Revelation the bible records God's dealings with the Hebrew people. God made no covenant with Gentiles. If He did there would undoubtedly be Gentile Scriptures. But He didn't and there are none.

The bible is a Hebrew "book." Half of this book is prophetic. The other half is history, but a history of the Hebrew/Jewish people. Believers are instructed and commanded to "test the spirits to determine whether one is of God" (1 Jn. 4:1.) We are instructed and commanded to test all things, between true and false, right and wrong, good and evil.
God's Word is eternal. God's covenants are eternal just as His promises are eternal. When you first realize the Scripture from Genesis to Revelation are Hebrew writings to and for the Hebrew/Jewish people then you will be able to rightly divide (interpret) what is written. But if you continue to see the bible, especially the New Covenant writings as most all Gentile Christians do, that God wrote to Gentiles, then you cannot and will not be able to interpret what is written. You are Gentile. God has no covenant with Gentiles. None. Zero, zip, nada. God expects us to be as the Samaritan woman who knew her place in the redemptive history of God. Being a Gentile it was first, uncommon for Gentiles to know the Hebrew Scripture, especially being woman. Yes, there were Gentile proselytes and Gentile God-Fearers, even the Roman centurion seeking from Jesus a healing for his servant, he knew the Hebrew Scripture that prophesied about Israel's coming Deliverer, Redeemer, Messiah, and Lord and Savior how to identify His when He came. The Samaritan woman KNEW her place, that Israel's Messiah was prophesied TO and FOR the Hebrew/Jewish people. They both knew enough of the Hebrew Scripture to identify Israel's God. Both the Gentile woman and the Gentile centurion knew they had nothing coming to them. They knew God has covenant with Israel. The Roman centurion knew the Law concerning a Jew entering a Gentile home especially during a Feast Day. The Gentile woman seeking healing for her daughter understood and knew her place. She cried out for mercy as opposed to being in covenant and knowing what exactly a Hebrew/Jew and child of Abraham had coming to them as being in covenant.

4 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it to dogs.
27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.
28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour. Mt 15:23–28.

Jesus said this woman had "great faith." Faith in what? Faith in knowing the Hebrew Scripture identifying Israel's Redeemer and King: Jesus, and for knowing her place as Gentile, that she had nothing coming to her from Jesus, but persisted she did. And for acknowledging herself as Gentile and the Jews her master.
The same for the Roman centurion. Jesus declared him to also have "great faith." He "loved" that nation, even built them a synagogue. He, too, recognized Israel's Messiah, knew about Laws, understood Jesus' mission in saying "I say to one, go, and he goes," to which Jesus said he had great faith. And that is where our faith should rest. On Jesus.

When a Jew became born-again the experienced Judaism Completed. And just as all the disciples from Pentecost onward they didn't give up their Judaism but with Moses' prophecy fulfilled was able to observe their Torah to a new and deeper perspective. Peter, James, John, Saul, Matthew, etc., all remained observant (to Torah) Jews even in their Christianity. Look at what is said of Saul who, as a rabbi kept on in the Jewish religion after their meeting Jesus.

20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him [SAUL], Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:
21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.
22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come.
23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them; (Mosaic vow)
24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. Acts 21:19–24.

Christianity is Completed Judaism.

Every Jew born-again continued to obey the Torah. And as I showed you above Saul also obeyed the Torah after meeting Jesus and it was perfectly comfortable for him to do so as a rabbi, Pharisee, and Jew from the tribe of Benjamin. Animal sacrifices are not the only sacrifices. The sacrifices to God is a broken heart and spirit. We sacrifice our body to God (Rom. 12.) There are wave offerings, and peace offerings, and other practices that now as the Torah/Law is spiritual and so it the person, the Torah takes on a spiritual meaning. Everything that was "letter" has now become the "spirit" of the Law. So, no, the Torah/Law of God is not "abolished" or "rescinded" or "obsolete" or "ended." It has just 'now' begun.

You're a Gentile. You won't be living in the New Jerusalem or in the New Israel called the Promised Land. If you make it to this point in God's Redemptive timetable you will live outside the Holy Land and when Satan is loosed from his prison and goes out to deceive the nations ("nations" = Gentiles) guess who are the ones being deceived?
It says it right there. If you get to study this with an honest heart and mind you will come to the same conclusion. God ahead and say it. Go ahead.

"Truth, LORD, but even the DOGS eat the crumbs from their master's table."

Good boy.

Nothing you state shows the sacrificial law, the ceremonial law is still in effect
If you are going to obey the sacrificial law you will be subtracting from Christ one time sacrifice for all. You would not be pleasing God. If you continue to see ceremonial law as binding you run afoul of the New covenant scripture which state

Galatians 4:9–11 (KJV 1900) — 9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? 10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. 11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Romans 14:4-5 (KJV)
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

that mitagates against your position. If even Jewish Christians are not required to observe the things mentioned above how can you refer to them as eternal

And you are completely in error regarding

You're a Gentile. You won't be living in the New Jerusalem or in the New Israel called the Promised Land. If you make it to this point in God's Redemptive timetable you will live outside the Holy Land and when Satan is loosed from his prison and goes out to deceive the nations ("nations" = Gentiles) guess who are the ones being deceived?
It says it right there. If you get to study this with an honest heart and mind you will come to the same conclusion. God ahead and say it. Go ahead.

"Truth, LORD, but even the DOGS eat the crumbs from their master's table."

conflating Satans with what transpires in the New heaven and earth


Revelation 21 (KJV 1900) — 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

this is after the release and the casting of Satan into the fire

 

[koberstein]

It's amazing to me that about 10 to15% of the population in the State of Israel are Messianic believers in Yeshua. The so called big mission programs for the Protestant Gentile churches send no missionaries to Israel to spread the Gospel, but they will send missionaries to every other country in the four corners of the earth. Why is that?
Is this antisemitism or ignorance or stupidity? To ignore the Jewish people is antisemitism. The Gospel came from the Jews to the Gentiles and this is how the Gentiles respond back to us in kind?

 

[brightfame52]

@jeremiah1five

Of course, Jesus was in the [physical] loins of Abraham a

False, blatantly false and the Seed is Christ as the Surety of His People, both jew and gentile Spiritually, not physically Gal 3:16,29

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[brightfame52]

@jeremiah1five

Yes, Christ is the seed to whom the Promises were eventually given. But being born-again and in the body of Christ does not mean you are in the Abrahamic Covenant because God was clear the covenant is made with Abram the Hebrew and his seed and Gentiles are NOT his seed nor do Gentiles come from the loins of Abraham. You're believing Gentile heresy of the past 1900 years.

7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Gen. 17:6–7.

This is about Abrahams Spiritual Seed, not physical seed. Also I noticed you conveniently left out Vs 5 which shows that Gentiles are Included Gen 17:5-7

5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations[Gentiles] have I made thee.

6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.

7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

So you know its Spiritual, thats the only way Abraham is a Father of Gentiles

Also the Abrahamic Covenant is a offshoot of the everlasting Covenant, thats between the GodHead, mainly the Father and the Son before the world began. Gal 3:17

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

 

[TomL]

It's amazing to me that about 10 to15% of the population in the State of Israel are Messianic believers in Yeshua. The so called big mission programs for the Protestant Gentile churches send no missionaries to Israel to spread the Gospel, but they will send missionaries to every other country in the four corners of the earth. Why is that?
Is this antisemitism or ignorance or stupidity? To ignore the Jewish people is antisemitism. The Gospel came from the Jews to the Gentiles and this is how the Gentiles respond back to us in kind?

You appear kind of stuck on that track

 

[TomL]

Yes they were. I'm not touting anything.
Yeshua attended the temple regularly during his time and ministry. He also fluently knew the Torah and fulfilled it. I know enough about the New Testament to know heresy, and antisemitism when I see it or hear it.

I be thinking you see antisemitism under every rock

It is not antisemitic to believe the new covenant superseded the old

 

[koberstein]

You appear kind of stuck on that track

Just reality.

 

[koberstein]

I be thinking you see antisemitism under every rock

It is not antisemitic to believe the new covenant superseded the old

I have a low tolerance for antisemitism.