Freed from : Calvinism-TULIP-5 points Hyper-Calvinism

[atpollard]

Post some verses regarding total inability.

John 6:44 “NO ONE CAN COME TO ME” [unless God does something].

I really don’t know how much clearer Jesus could have been.

 

[TibiasDad]

I never said you did. I accused you of not reading the whole paragraph (which is really just one run-on sentence.)


1. I have no “my Calvinism” as I am a Baptist (Baptists were NEVER part of the Reformation, we have a different origin than the Luther/Calvin split with Rome).
2. The 1689 Baptist Confession was unequivocally clear that God “God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass” and “yet so as thereby is God neither the author of sin nor hath fellowship with any therein; nor is violence offered to the will of the creature, nor yet is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established” … all parts of that sentence are true and Post #360 provided the Scripture supporting each and every part of the statement.

As a Baptist (thus a believer that Scripture is the ONLY true authority), it is enough for me that God says it is so without needing to be able to explain all details of the mind of God with human logic.

FYI: The Baptist Confession is not Scripture…
By the way, to rightly divide the word of God necessitates that we be able to explain what is in the Bible.

What you might call a paradox, I call a contradiction. To decree from all eternity that X must necessarily happen in a particular way, no matter what X is, is to be the effectual cause of that necessity, for it could never be otherwise from that point because of the decree. So all the minutia that is involved is X occurring is equally fixed and irreversible.

Whoever decrees it is responsible for its reality occurring.

Doug

 

[Presby02]

Of course that's what I mean to say.

If a person must hear the gospel to be saved...
it would mean no one in the OT was saved.

And you know that many in OT times were saved.
By the very same way that you and I are saved....
by faith.

Hebrews 11:1-8
1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

2 For by it the men of old gained approval.

3 By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible.

4 By faith Abel offered to God a better sacrifice than Cain, through which he obtained the testimony that he was righteous, God testifying about his gifts, and through faith, though he is dead, he still speaks.

5 By faith Enoch was taken up so that he would not see death; AND HE WAS NOT FOUND BECAUSE GOD TOOK HIM UP; for he obtained the witness that before his being taken up he was pleasing to God.

6 And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.

7 By faith Noah, being warned by God about things not yet seen, in reverence prepared an ark for the salvation of his household, by which he condemned the world, and became an heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.

8 By faith Abraham, when he was called, obeyed by going out to a place which he was to receive for an inheritance; and he went out, not knowing where he was going.

Old Testament saints did hear the gospel. NO ONE CLAIMED THE DID NOT. The gospel was preached to Abraham. Your missing the point, deliberately i suspect. I will repeat myself. There are millions upon millions through history that have never heard the gospel. No one was preaching the gospel in North America before the Europeans arrived. Unless you have evidence to the contrary. Are you a Motmon?

 

[Presby02]

all those poor OT believers who are lost. because they did not hear the gospel.

Never said that.

 

[Presby02]

So you mean to tell me that before the gospel EVERYONE was lost?
(since, apparently, according to you, only the gospel saves).

 

[Presby02]

That would include both good and bad…just sayin,


Doug

All does mean all though right?

 

[Presby02]

FYI: The Baptist Confession is not Scripture…
By the way, to rightly divide the word of God necessitates that we be able to explain what is in the Bible.

What you might call a paradox, I call a contradiction. To decree from all eternity that X must necessarily happen in a particular way, no matter what X is, is to be the effectual cause of that necessity, for it could never be otherwise from that point because of the decree. So all the minutia that is involved is X occurring is equally fixed and irreversible.

Whoever decrees it is responsible for its reality occurring.

Doug

So the Father is responsible for His Sons death? Acts 4:27,28

 

[atpollard]

Whoever decrees it is responsible for its reality occurring.

Did God create EVIL?

If "Yes", then are the verses that claim otherwise wrong?
If "No", then are the verses that claim "nothing exists that God (the Word) did not create" wrong?
Are two Biblical Statements (God created EVERYTHING) and (God did not create EVIL) both true and yet paradoxical?