Faith precedes life !

[civic]

@MTMattie



Self exaltation, playing God,man doesnt Cocreate with God

man indeed creates just not ex nihilo.

next fallacy

 

[synergy]

You teaching the exaltation of man in Salvation. How can a spiritually dead wicked person, cooperate in being a New Creation. Thats like a piece of clay coming alive and saying, Im going to cooperate with you Mr Potter, I will assist in my creation

Did you already forget that we discussed how the Bible proves that our flesh (ear and mind) can foster faith in Christ when encountering the word of God, and that pleases God. You previously said "okay" to all that. You have a short memory indeed!

You also ran away so quickly from discussing and acknowledging who Rom 8 is talking about that you left your shadow behind.

Now you're running off to Rom 9 that discusses God as our Potter. That paragraph discusses how our vocational election is unconditional and does not contradict in any way what we agreed to in my 1st paragraph above. Paul is not in the business of contradicting himself. For you to think that he is shows everyone how far you're willing to sacrifice the integrity of Apostles on the altar of your calvinist god.

 

[brightfame52]

projecting as your teaching is the opposite of Jesus and the Apostles.

Yeah right

 

[brightfame52]

@synergy

Did you already forget that we discussed how the Bible proves that our flesh (ear and mind) can foster faith in Christ when encountering the word of God, and that pleases God. You previously said "okay" to all that. You have a short memory indeed!

Did you forget Rom 8:8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. This refers to the unregenerare because they dont have the Spirit.

 

[brightfame52]

man indeed creates just not ex nihilo.

next fallacy

So man is the Co-Creator now

 

[synergy]

@synergy

Did you forget Rom 8:8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. This refers to the unregenerare because they dont have the Spirit.

Nope. If you had read the Post that you're responding to you, you would have seen that I mentioned Rom 8 which covers all verses in that chapter, including verse 8. Maybe you do not understand the concept of chapters?

You also ran away so quickly from discussing and acknowledging who Rom 8 is talking about that you left your shadow behind.

Speaking of Rom 8:8, since you have once again avoided answering my question below, it is hereby proven that Calvinism is a Heresy.

Here is my question again:

Let's look at Rom 8 again. Tell me, to who are the "those", "me", "who", "you", "we", "many" pronouns pointing to? Regenerates or unregenerates? Your refusal to answer will be taken as an acknowledgement that calvinism is heresy.

 

[brightfame52]

@synergy

Nope. If you had read the Post that you're responding to you, you would have seen that I mentioned Rom 8 which covers all verses in that chapter, including verse 8. Maybe you do not understand the concept of chapters?

Well guess what ? Its still true, they which are in the flesh cannot please God, and believing faith pleases Him

 

[synergy]

@synergy

Well guess what ? Its still true, they which are in the flesh cannot please God, and believing faith pleases Him

Guess what? It is true for regenerates as I proved many times. You have yet to prove that for unregenerates, so hop to it. Keep in mind that Rom 10:8-17, which you agreed to, proves that flesh (ears and mind) can foster faith in Christ when encountering the word of God, and that pleases God.

 

[brightfame52]

Guess what? It is true for regenerates as I proved many times. You have yet to prove that for unregenerates, so hop to it. Keep in mind that Rom 10:8-17, which you agreed to, proves that flesh (ears and mind) can foster faith in Christ when encountering the word of God, and that pleases God.

You do know theres a difference between the regenerate and unregenerate dont you ? The regenerate who has the indwelling Spirit isnt in the flesh Duh Rom 8:9

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

 

[Presby02]

Well, you offered no counterargument so my statement stands. You possess a poor understanding of how debates are conducted.

I do not have to offer anything. It's your assertion. Burden of proof lies with you sir.

 

[Presby02]

Well, you offered no counterargument so my statement stands. You possess a poor understanding of how debates are conducted.

I don't have to. LOL. It's you with the poor understanding of how debates work resides. I do not have to prove a negative. Your in the positive in this debate. My job is simply to be skeptical.