John Piper: Born again through faith in the gospel

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It prophetic dealing with the NC. Man your dense.
Keep running away from the fact that it's prophetic for everyone at the time Ezekiel announced it. That proves belief precedes a new heart for OT believers. That sequence can easily be applied to NT believers also. Calvinism gets crushed again.
There does not need to be. Christ is quite clear "you MUST be born again" present tense. To see the kingdom of God. Pretty simple
That's the NC, preparing Christians for when Christ pours out the Holy Spirit from Heaven at his Ascension. If there's another way to be born again then by all means do tell us. Until then... toodles....
 
Keep running away from the fact that it's prophetic for everyone at the time Ezekiel announced it. That proves belief precedes a new heart for OT believers. That fact can easily be applied to NT believers. Calvinism gets crushed again.

That's the NC, preparing Christians for when Christ pours out the Holy Spirit from Heaven at his Ascension. If there's another way to be born again then by all means do tell us. Until then... toodles....
Keep running from the fact that prophetic and deals with the NC. I understand you must find a way around that fact.

Belief does not precede a new heart. Read the text. Shall I quote it for you? LOL

EXCEPT that is nowhere mentioned in John 3. It's quite specific. You must be born again to see the kingdom of heaven.

Swing and a miss
 
@synergy

You have no understanding of free justification by grace alone through the obedience of one person, Jesus Christ, for if you did, you would know exactly what James was teaching, but it is hidden from your eyes, and rightly so!
It's interesting that you introduced your very own term "free justification". Free of what? Free of calvinist heresies I would say is the true view of God's Justification.
We ask you and others who may read this: "What justification is considered here? Our legal position before God, or our knowledge of it? Our legal position before God, or His declaration of it? Our legal position, or our assurance of it?"

These rhetorical questions (in these verses~24-26) indicate that this concept of justification by works should be easy to see.
God's justification is legal and binding. It doesn't rise or fall based on our knowledge of it. You are hammering against the Sovereignty of God.
Abram’s actual justification, or acceptance and acquittal with God, was without faith by Christ Alone! James did not teach justification by the works that Paul condemned~ we study to rightly divide the word of God, and practice Nehemiah 8:8, something that you would do well to do, but I'm beginning to think it is not in you to do this.

Paul rejected Jewish legalists and their trust in Moses’ law by teaching the historical fact of God’s declaration of Abraham’s righteousness by virtue of his great act of faith (Gen 15:6).
There you go again, conflating works of the Law with good works and making a mess of things.
James taught that any man’s faith without works was not nearly enough evidence or proof to claim righteousness, justification, or the hope of future glorification.
God doesn't need evidence or proof to grant us justification. Again, you are hammering against the Sovereignty of God.
You sir, are living under a very strong delusion. I'm not going through John 3:1-8 with you again, it is a waste of precious time~ you still do not get the true biblical; meaning of John 1-8.

Btw, concerning breaking the awful news to Adam and Eve ~ God in his word has revealed to us their terrible disobedience that caused the sentence of condemnation, and the second death upon all of us. But thanks be to God there was a Second Adam that came and save his people from condemnation and the lake of fire, which is the second death, by being made a SURETY for them, so sure, that none of them shall ever perish, but shall enter into the final phrase of the Kingdom of God in the new heavens and earth that is soon to come.
Of course you won't defend your idea that you must have a Mother to qualify for what Jesus said in James 3:5. Your way of thinking denies Adam and Eve from entering the Kingdom of God!

(John 3:5) Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
 
Keep running from the fact that prophetic and deals with the NC. I understand you must find a way around that fact.
Of course it's a NC principle so stop with the strawmen. What you're running away from is that it's prophetic for everyone at the time Ezekiel announced it.
Belief does not precede a new heart. Read the text. Shall I quote it for you? LOL
Because it's prophetic for everyone, at the time Ezekiel announced it, then that proves that belief precedes the new heart, at least for the OT believers. Do I have to explain the concept of time to you?
EXCEPT that is nowhere mentioned in John 3. It's quite specific. You must be born again to see the kingdom of heaven.
So Calvinists know of another way to be born again apart from Christ pouring out the Holy Spirit at his Ascension. Do tell us how. I'll get the popcorn. 🍿🍿
 
@synergy
It's interesting that you introduced your very own term "free justification". Free of what? Free of calvinist heresies I would say is the true view of God's Justification.
Your golden calf of works that men like you worship!
God's justification is legal and binding. It doesn't rise or fall based on our knowledge of it. You are hammering against the Sovereignty of God.
It's legal and binding, and forever! We come to enjoy and see this free justification by faith only, by hearing and hearing by the word of God! The means God has chosen to be a source of information for his chosen people.
There you go again, conflating works of the Law with good works and making a mess of things.
Any works that we do are the works of the law, which if a man does, proves his free justification, not the means thereof!
God doesn't need evidence or proof to grant us justification. Again, you are hammering against the Sovereignty of God.
Evidence is not for God, but for us, and others who know us. I'm begin to think you are arguing just to be arguing.

I've better things to do than to be arguing with a man that has no love for the truth.
 
@synergy

Your golden calf of works that men like you worship!
Stop ranting against God's preordained good works that part of God's Grace.
It's legal and binding, and forever! We come to enjoy and see this free justification by faith only, by hearing and hearing by the word of God! The means God has chosen to be a source of information for his chosen people.
God's justification doesn't rise or fall based on our knowledge of it. Stop desecrating the Sovereign Justice of God.
Any works that we do are the works of the law, which if a man does, proves his free justification, not the means thereof!
Only a Legalist would say such a thing. Stop worshipping your Laws and Statutes.
Evidence is not for God, but for us, and others who know us. I'm begin to think you are arguing just to be arguing.

I've better things to do than to be arguing with a man that has no love for the truth.
Again, God doesn't need evidence or proof to grant us justification. Stop hammering against the Sovereignty of God.

You still won't give up on your heretical view of John 3:5 that denies Adam and Eve from entering the Kingdom of God? Makes me think that you are getting your kicks seeing how much nonsense you can cram down our throats.
 
Sure it does. Philippians 1:29. God grants belief. It does not say with Abraham being the exception.

Faith is eternal life which as you said is gifted to you.
It says that we have been granted to believe. πιστεύειν is a verb. God grants us the right to believe by giving us the gospel. He didn’t have to allow or accept our belief.

Faith is not eternal life; faith is the means for humanity to experience eternal life. They are not different words for the same thing.


Doug
 
The expression “born again” has been used very loosely over the last few years, and it is easy to see why many people do not actually understand what the term means. When we are born again, we acquire the mind of Christ, and when we truly believe that, only then will our thinking begin to line up with His.

This term has scriptural roots. We read in John,
After dark one night a Jewish religious leader named Nicodemus, a member of the sect of the Pharisees, came for an interview with Jesus. “Sir,” he said, “we all know that God has sent you to teach us. Your miracles are proof enough of this.” Jesus replied, “With all the earnestness I possess I tell you this: Unless you are born again, you can never get into the Kingdom of God.” “Born again!” exclaimed Nicodemus. “What do you mean? How can an old man go back into his mother’s womb and be born again?” Jesus replied, “What I am telling you so earnestly is this: Unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God. Men can only reproduce human life, but the Holy Spirit gives new life from heaven; so don’t be surprised at my statement that you must be born again!” (John 3:1–7 tlb)
According to the dictionary, to be born means to be brought into life or existence. When we are born physically, we are brought into life in the world where we now live. We are at the same time brought into an existence that will last for a certain number of years on this earth. When we are born physically, we undergo a complete change of environment, thinking, acting, and behavior. We go from a total dependence upon our mother’s body to a dependence upon ourselves.
To be born again is in many ways the same thing as being born the first time. When we are born again, our behavior changes, our thinking changes, our actions change, and most of the time even our environment changes.

That doesn’t mean we have to move out of the house in which we are living when we are born again, but our associations (environment) change because we no longer have a desire to go to the places where we formerly had fun. We no longer enjoy the people with whom we previously associated, because we possess a new way of thinking and a brand new set of values. We go from a total dependence of one form, upon our own brain power, to a total dependence of another form, upon the power of God. We are going to think like a new creature.

One Bible translation says that unless a man is actually or honestly born again, he cannot “see” the kingdom of God, which means that we cannot know the kingdom of God; we cannot even become acquainted with the kingdom of God until we are actually born again by the Spirit of God.
Many people say, “Just saying a prayer makes you born again.” While there are many people who have been born again by praying a very simple prayer, unless a change has come into their lives and they are actually able to “see” the kingdom of God, or the kingdom of heaven, they are not truly born again.
I vividly remember one of the things I said the first time I ever gave my testimony. “The day I was saved, I believe God opened the windows of heaven and gave me a glimpse of what eternity was all about, and from that day on, I have never wanted anything of this earth.”

This same experience applies to every born again believer. When you are truly born again, you “see” the kingdom of God. It is not an actual physical thing, but in the supernatural you see that God has called you to a life that is above and beyond the life you are now experiencing.
Once we have truly seen the kingdom of God, there will never be “backsliding” or going backwards. There should be no desire to return to the things of this world because we have caught a glimpse of that perfect hope, which is the eternal kingdom of God.

Looking again at the fifth verse, we see that Jesus said, “Unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God” (tlb). Because we have let His mind be in us, we are going to believe exactly the same way. We are not going to let our carnal minds come into play and say, “Well, I have gone to church all of my life. I have joined my church. I have said the church creed.” Those things have nothing to do with being born again.
Jesus said, “Unless a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Because we have allowed this mind to be in us that was also in Christ Jesus, we are going to agree 100 percent with Jesus that we must be born again by God’s Spirit before we can actually see the kingdom of heaven. Yet once we have truly been born again by God’s Spirit, we will be able to see into that spiritual realm with our recreated spirits, or that new man that has risen up within us. We are going to shed the old clothes, the old robes, and we are going to put on the new ones, because we are new creatures in Christ.

Second Corinthians 5:17 tells us, “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.”
We are new creatures in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17 kjv). We are sparkling new lights in the kingdom of God. We are transformed from the old persons we used to be into the recreated persons that we now are. We should have no desire to do the things we formerly did, because the old things have all passed away and all things have become new (verse 17).
We are going to act like a new creature!
We are going to think like a new creature!
We are going to speak like a new creature!

To go back into sin, the old way of life, would be the same principle as a grown man saying, “I want to go back into my mother’s womb because it was so nice and warm, and I felt so secure there.” Once you are born, you are no longer that little baby floating in the water sack in the womb. You are an individual who is now living in the world, and you can never go back.

The same thing is true of a genuine born-again experience. We have no right, nor should we have a desire to go back to the old things of the sinful world and continue participating in the old ways of life. Before I was born again, I smoked, drank, cussed, and told dirty jokes. I certainly was not an example of someone possessing the mind of Christ; however, once I was born again, I became a new creation and the “old things” passed away!


Frances Hunter, Let This Mind Be in You: Thinking Thoughts of Jesus
When I was born again, I saw the Kingdom of God - I saw Jesus Himself, the King in that kingdom. In my search for truth, (and I thought that was the purpose and meaning of life), God led me to read about the life and teachings of Jesus. I knew they were in the Bible, but I didn't know where. I had never read the Bible before, except to win prizes in Sunday School for memorizing verses. A chaplain at the base told me to read Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Before I had completed five chapters in Matthew, I was weeping and struck by the words of Jesus, who is Himself, the truth. Something happened in my heart and I knew that I was born again. I didn't know then that Jesus Himself WAS the PURPOSE and MEANING of life. Whatever He says, we are to follow, and I have been, not without sin, but trying to please Him in all I say and do.
 
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