Faith precedes life !

[brightfame52]

John the Apostle, His Doctrine is the Life by regeneration comes b4 Faith.

1 Jn 5:1

Whosoever[Jew or Greek] believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

Now believeth here is a present tense active verb and means, whosoever is believing

However the phrase " is born of God" is a perfect tense, has been born of God, so it means being born of God first is necessary to begin believing.

The Perfect Tense

Action that has been completed in the past yet has results occurring in the present are expressed by the perfect tense

So the one believing in the present is the result of having been born of God [completed action in the past]

 

[brightfame52]

John the Apostle, His Doctrine is faith is born of God,

1 Jn 5:4

4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

Notice John writes "whatsover is born of God" not whosoever, and that whatsover is our Faith

 

[brightfame52]

When we condition salvation/justification b4 God on our own human faith, in essence we are seeking it based upon our own righteousness, that God sees and honors some innate good quality in us god enough to save us or justify us, Its similar to the jews of old who righteousness/life by their law works righteousness Rom 9:31-32

31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith[Christ], but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

See they sought not life and righteousness in another, a Person, Jesus Christ, so they sought it not by Faith,God given Faith reveals that Christ is our righteousness.

 

[Jim]

When we condition salvation/justification b4 God on our own human faith, in essence we are seeking it based upon our own righteousness, that God sees and honors some innate good quality in us god enough to save us or justify us,

That is just wrong.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith.

 

[brightfame52]

That is just wrong.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith.

Nothing here about any conditions

 

[Jim]

Nothing here about any conditions

faith is a condition. Withour faith, there is no salvation.

 

[brightfame52]

faith is a condition. Withour faith, there is no salvation.

You are adding to the scripture, faith or believing has never said to be a condition, thats in total violation of Grace

 

[synergy]

You are adding to the scripture, faith or believing has never said to be a condition, thats in total violation of Grace

Don't tell me you don't put conditions on your charity. You go around high fiving all non-remoresfull murderers? Give us a break.

 

[Jim]

You are adding to the scripture, faith or believing has never said to be a condition, thats in total violation of Grace

You say that regeneration is required for faith. But that is never said in Scripture; so it is you who is adding to the scripture.

 

[brightfame52]

Don't tell me you don't put conditions on your charity. You go around high fiving all non-remoresfull murderers? Give us a break.

Rabbit trail comment

 

[brightfame52]

You say that regeneration is required for faith. But that is never said in Scripture; so it is you who is adding to the scripture.

Faith is the fruit of the Spirit not of the flesh Gal 5:22 we only have the fruit of the Spirit after regeneration

 

[synergy]

Rabbit trail comment

Your total inability to offer me any counterargument once again exposes your beliefs as heresies. This was just too easy.

 

[brightfame52]

Your total inability to offer me any counterargument once again exposes your beliefs as heresies. This was just too easy.

More rabbit trail non sense

 

[synergy]

More rabbit trail non sense

You didn't object to the thought of high fiving non-remoresfull murders so it looks like you're ok with that. This was way too easy

 

[brightfame52]

You didn't object to the thought of high fiving non-remoresfull murders so it looks like you're ok with that. This was way too easy

More rabbit trail, this is about opposing faith precedes life

 

[synergy]

More rabbit trail, this is about opposing faith precedes life

So you allow yourself the freedom to say anything you want, and then you take shelter behind your "rabbit hole" lame excuse when your comments are exposed as false. I see how it works for you. You're just too silly.

 

[brightfame52]

So you allow yourself the freedom to say anything you want, and then you take shelter behind your "rabbit hole" lame excuse when your comments are exposed as false. I see how it works for you. You're just too silly.

More rabbit trails and insults as usual