Excellent Discussion on OSAS

[Foster]

AGREE

What if you harden your heart against the Holy Spirit = we are warned = "Do not grieve the Holy Spirit"

i am NOT against OSAS when it is in it's RightFULL Domain, which is CHRIST = John 10:25-30

Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me. But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you.

My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.
I and My Father are one.”

In an extended practical teaching on holy living, the apostle Paul tells believers, “Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.” Ephesians 4:30 His command not to grieve the Spirit falls under Paul’s initial instructions covering what not to do to cultivate holiness and walk in Christian purity.

It's about our relationship with God. Grieving the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption will result in a bad relationship with God. Grieving the Spirit hinder a godly lifestyle.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

I already know that, I have had greek professors who disagreed with one another. Im going to say this, the greek is a fine tool to have in understanding scripture, but its also a hazard when it leads one to interpret scripture contrary to the mind of the Spirit, so comparing scripture with scripture is the most proficient way to understand scripture. Knowing greek or hebrew isnt a Spiritual ability.

thasts great

But it does nto mean YOU are right.. as you keep insisting and pushing down everyone..

we should listen to you because you have been enlightened.

That makes you appear cocky and no one will hear you..

people have tried to explain this to you in multiple chatrooms. But you never appear to get the message.. and continue to act in this way

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

AGREE with your post here with this exception: "I have found the best way to live out my salvation is to abide in Christ."

What if you turn away and decide NOT to live in abiding in Christ?
@civic @Dizerner @mailmandan

where can you go that God is not there?

Does God not leave the flock to come after you (I know he has me)

 

[DavidTree]

In an extended practical teaching on holy living, the apostle Paul tells believers, “Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.” Ephesians 4:30 His command not to grieve the Spirit falls under Paul’s initial instructions covering what not to do to cultivate holiness and walk in Christian purity.

It's about our relationship with God. Grieving the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption will result in a bad relationship with God. Grieving the Spirit hinder a godly lifestyle.

YES - AGREE

God Sealed us with the HOLY SPIRIT of Promise

FYI - i am here for the purpose of communicating the Scriptures so that "Iron sharpens iron and brethren sharpen brethren"

How about Psalm 51

10Create in me a clean heart, O God,
And renew a steadfast spirit within me.
11Do not cast me away from Your presence,
And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.
12Restore to me the joy of Your salvation,
And uphold me by Your generous Spirit.
13Then I will teach transgressors Your ways,
And sinners shall be converted to You.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Only those who keep His commandments remain in Christ.

• he who keeps His commandments abides in Him,

You just proved my point
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You are obeying to be saved, not because you are saved,.

Good luck

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Do the lost need salvation?

the lost as in never been found, yes

the prodigal son was lost. did he need salvation, or was he not still the fathers son?

 

[JLB]

You just proved my point
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You are obeying to be saved, not because you are saved,.

Good luck

I don’t need luck.

I just follow the leading of the Holy Spirit.


If you have trouble obeying His commandments you should check to see if you are in the faith.

Only those who obey His commandments remain in Christ.


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
1 John 3:24


Which commandments do you struggle keeping?

 

[Julie]

YES - AGREE

God Sealed us with the HOLY SPIRIT of Promise

FYI - i am here for the purpose of communicating the Scriptures so that "Iron sharpens iron and brethren sharpen brethren"

How about Psalm 51

10Create in me a clean heart, O God,
And renew a steadfast spirit within me.
11Do not cast me away from Your presence,
And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.
12Restore to me the joy of Your salvation,
And uphold me by Your generous Spirit.
13Then I will teach transgressors Your ways,
And sinners shall be converted to You.

 

[DavidTree]

I don’t need luck.

I just follow the leading of the Holy Spirit.


If you have trouble obeying His commandments you should check to see if you are in the faith.

Only those who obey His commandments remain in Christ.


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
1 John 3:24


Which commandments do you struggle keeping?

Which commandments do you struggle keeping?

In my flesh = every one of them

In the Spirit = i am FREE to keep the commandments of Christ

These Two Dynamics are in constant play/Action/War = Romans 7:22-25


I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

 

[DavidTree]

see above

Thank You JULIE

 

[DavidTree]

see above

i was going to post this so = BIG THANK YOU

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

I don’t need luck.

if your going to keep trying to earn your salvation. you need all the luck in the world.

I just follow the leading of the Holy Spirit.

perfectly? Without fail?

If you have trouble obeying His commandments you should check to see if you are in the faith.

I do not have troubles. I do not even look at them. I just try to do as God says Love. and seek after things of the spirit. If I fail to do either of these. i do not need the law to tell me I have sinned. I know..

Only those who obey His commandments remain in Christ.

Only those who are saved obey commands.

if it is required to remain. then you better be perfect.

Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
1 John 3:24


Which commandments do you struggle keeping?

lol. Are you perfect?

 

[brightfame52]

Are you saying if I were to place a Greek NT in front of you not an interlinear you could read a passage and translate if from Greek to English without any aids ?

Ive said what I said, and Im finished with the greek for now. Faith is the Gift of God plainly Eph 2:8 but its denied by men.

 

[Doug Brents]

Ive said what I said, and Im finished with the greek for now. Faith is the Gift of God plainly Eph 2:8 but its denied by men.

So that means the answer is "no", correct?

 

[Administrator]

see above

I saw Keth Green at The Church On The Way, In 1969 in Van Nuys, CA. Pastor Jack Hayford was the pastor and founder.

 

[synergy]

The demons believe, but they most certainly aren't saved. James ridiculed people on this point. Why do I put it that way? He is saying that even the demons give God more credence then some in his audience. They tremble. They have the proper response of fear. So many here have no fear of God before their eyes. They will say all kinds of things that attack the nature of God, or what He has done, without thought... without fear.

Salvation is not repentance. Sure, that is part of it, but Esau sought out repentance diligently with tears, and God refused. And God stated it directly.

Esau sought to selfishly get back his birthright, not salvation. You are terribly wrong here. God promised to never despise a contrite heart (Psalm 51:17).

The only way monergism works is if God repents for you. If you want to continue believing that then you are out of luck.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Ive said what I said, and Im finished with the greek for now. Faith is the Gift of God plainly Eph 2:8 but its denied by men.

No the gift is salvation.

for by grace we have been saved (a completed action) through faith

If faith was the gift. It would dsay for by grace we were given faith so we could be saved.

 

[DavidTree]

I saw Keth Green at The Church On The Way, In 1969 in Van Nuys, CA. Pastor Jack Hayford was the pastor and founder.

We know how old you are!!! - lol

That's OK because you are closer to HEAVEN then me - except that my time here on earth is ending soon

 

[brightfame52]

thasts great

But it does nto mean YOU are right.. as you keep insisting and pushing down everyone..

we should listen to you because you have been enlightened.

That makes you appear cocky and no one will hear you..

people have tried to explain this to you in multiple chatrooms. But you never appear to get the message.. and continue to act in this way

Yeah I believe Im right and no one has proven it wrong that Faith is the Gift of God according to Eph 2:8 and that greek argument to deny it, doesnt work with me, thats all Im saying. And Im not pushing down anyone, how by disagreeing and being a little dogmatic about certain truths.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Yeah I believe Im right and no one has proven it wrong

I rest my case.

1. You are unteachable
2. You are arrogant
3. You think you have all the answers
4. No one, even if they are right, will convince you to change your view.

people have proven you wrong numerous times.. But since you are blinded to your own pride. You can not see it. so you badger, attack, and do whatever you can to belittle them as lost and having no knowledge.

I can go on and on and on

why do you come to chat rooms. to lord over people? is it because when you treat people like this in real life they walk away?

I do not get it..

If I thought I had it all figured out. and i have no error inn my theology. this would be the last place I would be. I would start a church and get my followers where I can have real relationships.

however.. I doubt i would find many because of my (you) attitude