Excellent Discussion on OSAS

[MTMattie]

As I am a party to the post you replied to, it seems prudent to clear up at least one thing, just in case you were inferring that I am one who "worships the Sabbath". If you were not inferring such a thing, that is great. But in case you were, please consider. I don't "Worship God's Sabbath". I worship the God and Father of the Lord's Christ, "of the Bible", as this same Christ instructs me to do, and who HE worships consequently, to this very day. This same Jesus also instructed me to "Live by" this Same God's Words. And to "Be perfect", not after my definition of perfect, or the Popes definition, or this world's definition, but by God's definition.

In God's definition of perfect, righteousness, mercy, these exists Laws intended to teach men how to treat God and how to treat others. These Laws include a Holy "Sabbath Day", and instructions on how to keep it Holy, separate from other days. It was important to God that I know about this Commandment, as the penalty for rejecting the law, is the same penalty for killing someone, or committing adultery. It is also interesting that Passover, Feast of Unleavened bread, and this Sabbath was the 1st commandments of God given to Israel.

There is a spirit of this world that promotes, through trickery, that "I" am given a mandate, commanded by God to carry out the punishment God pronounced for transgressing His Commandments. This spirit deceptively promotes that if "I" don't personally kill those who commit adultery, or those who reject God's Holy Sabbath, that I am not obeying God's Commandments, and therefore are guilty of breaking all of God's Commandments.

Of course this teaching is evil, and certainly not true. Nevertheless, this same spirit tried to trick Jesus in the same exact way.

I tried to point out this spirit, but it's influence is strong in this world, and can only be overcome by Faith/belief in "ALL" of God's Words, including "thou shall not kill".

You are not the one... not of the two unless you had been on a much smaller forum that has closed down... yet again... and also use to post the Papal Encyclicals with comment.

I was referring to SDA folk who are very adamant of Saturday only Sabbath worship not that they worship the Sabbath but those who do not follow the Saturday one, set up by Mrs. White... they may be in trouble in the end.

I am not SDA. And will not speak for them

 

[Studyman]

You are not the one... not of the two unless you had been on a much smaller forum that has closed down... yet again... and also use to post the Papal Encyclicals with comment.

I was referring to SDA folk who are very adamant of Saturday only Sabbath worship not that they worship the Sabbath but those who do not follow the Saturday one, set up by Mrs. White... they may be in trouble in the end.

I am not SDA. And will not speak for them

Me either. I don't believe it was God's intention for His Church to create a massive religious empire, with literally thousands of businesses, which demands that thousands of people work 24/7 to maintain their businesses, while they judge others for working on the Sabbath.

I would argue that God's Sabbath wasn't set up by Mrs. White. She may promote the polluting of God's Sabbath, but she didn't sanctify it, or set it apart, or create a Commandment to commemorate it.

But that's an discussion for another time.

Thank you for responding to my post.

 

[JLB]

The Pharisees were children of the devil who taught for doctrines the Commandments of men, not God. Is it any great surprise that the Pharisees were "Ignorant of God's Righteousness", but John the Baptist wasn't?

Was John’s baptism from heaven or the doctrines of men?

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

How early do you count as the early church? I would rather appeal to the NT scriptures than to the "early church". The NT references to baptism for the forgiveness of sin is enough reason for me to accept it. All of the current efforts to detach NT baptism from water baptism is for me just sheer ignorance.

THE NEW TESTAMENT SCRIPS my friend .
That is what this wee thing holds too . yes indeed my friend .
Hey jim . what if i told you i can easily show you
where perhaps even you might have slipped . And its a deadly slip too .
IF we sit under this slip .
Get ready . now brace yourself . HOW YA FEEL about women pastors leading churches .
BINGO . many let that one GO .
HOW ya feel about that ol remarriage of that second and third wife maybe .
DEADLY due to that is adultery .
HOW about the prosperity gospel
HOW about the judge not correct not that DARN sure does not follow the pattern of the apostels .
I can do this all day to show us WE IN DEADLY DIRE DANGER . but folks will always
pick and choose . NOT THIS sheep . I say IF THEY WROTE it
THEN BELIEVE IT . that is why i am perhaps one of the most hated ones on every site i go .
Cause this sheep dont pick and choose , IT exposes all things contrary to THEM scrips .
You would be amazed my friend . Amazed at how much has been twisted .
SO I SURE DO AGREE WITH YA about the scrips . BUT LET US MAKE SURE we are actually keeping them ourselves .
Guess you know why most folks put me on ignore . WHEN all i do is love this people
and do all to help .

 

[JLB]

Let me ask you a question, was Naaman Baptized in the Jordan for the cleansing of his flesh?

There were many things in the old testament that foreshadowed the reality of John’s baptism.

There were many things in the old testament that foreshadowed the Messiah, such as the Passover lamb, however that doesn’t mean the Passover lamb was the Christ, anymore that passing through the Red Sea was the literal baptism of John.
It foreshadowed the reality that was to come.

Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 1 Corinthians 10:1-2

Here we see the three different baptisms foreshadowed in Old Testament.

 

[Studyman]

Was John’s baptism from heaven or the doctrines of men?

John's teaching was from the Spirit of God, the Same Spirit that was on David, and Moses and Jesus, which is from heaven, not the doctrines of men.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Expletive.

I am going to stop posting on here for however long it takes me to regroup from a stated charge on here, followed by a denial and other things that transpired yesterday.

But I need to correct you... I never said there were no baptisms before the event in the Upper Room or the Day of Pentecost.
I said IN POST 1910. I posted its reasonable to assume that having first been followers of John, several of the Lord’s disciples had been baptized. But there’s nothing in the Biblical record indicating that they all were,

and even those who were did not receive the Holy Spirit at the time.
Neither did a baptism precede either the event in the Upper Room or the Day of Pentecost.

There simply no baptisms connedcted with the upper room or Pentecost.
But everyone hears the word baptism and jumps to a watery conclusion.

WE ALL KNOW JESUS WAS BAPTISED BEFORE THEM.

But in the upper room the Holy Spirit came as it did on Pentecost
the Day of Pentecost.
ACTS
2:4 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

SHOW ME THE WATER......................................................................

The Upper Room Experience​

1. Gathering in the Upper Room: After Jesus’ ascension, His followers obeyed His command to wait in Jerusalem for the promised Holy Spirit. Acts 1:13–15 describes the scene: “When they had entered the city, they went up to the upper room where they were staying; that is, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, Simon the Zealot, and Judas, the son of James. All with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with the women, Mary, the mother of Jesus, and His brothers. At this time, Peter stood up amid the brethren (a gathering of about one hundred and twenty persons was together).”
2. The Outpouring of the Holy Spirit: Acts 2:1–4 recounts the extraordinary event on the Day of Pentecost: “When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place. And suddenly, there came from heaven a noise like a violent rushing wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. And there appeared to them tongues as of fire distributing themselves, and they rested on each one. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.”
3. Peter’s First Gospel Sermon: With the help of the Holy Spirit, Peter stood up and gave a stirring sermon to the crowd. Acts 2:14–18 describes his proclamation: “But Peter, taking his stand with the eleven, raised his voice and declared to them: ‘Men of Judea and all you who live in Jerusalem, let this be known to you and give heed to my words. Given that it is only the third hour of the day, these men are not intoxicated, as you might assume. Rather, the prophet Joel foretold the following: “And it shall be in the last days,” declares God, “That I will pour forth of My Spirit on all mankind; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams; even on My bondslaves, both men and women, I will in those days pour forth of My Spirit, And they shall prophesy.”

And the Upper Room also, where Jesus shared His last supper and the wine and bread.... awaiting the hour of His torment... there were no baptisms........

But you dont understand this, as the one who liked your post does not and never can...so tootles.

regroup . i was reading this and didnt understand why you meant by that .
Friend folks accuse me and have long done so for many years . It dont stop me from witnessing .
Dont let accusations run you off . sit down and pull up a chair .
Are you seated .
Again i say are you seated . I say this for good reason .
I have been called anti christ , satan , son of perdition , mostly hater , judgmental
the accuser of the brethren , and even in person a stream of words I WONT repeat .
THEY CANNOT silence these lips . and no matter what cometh against me
Their words and etc have no effect on me . OTHER than perhaps to weep for them .
Words on a screen . If we cannot handle words on a screen
how on earth are we gonna handle words of a scream in person . I been yelled at to my face before
And even told by another to call them mam . BUT HE WAS A HE .
this dude was a beast of a man too , could have crushed me flat . for two reasons ,
I DONT FIGHT . plus even if i had fought that man , HIMS was a massive one with wig on .
BUT i didnt call him mam . WE need to stop worrying about what or how folks see us .
Now i aint accusing you . not in the least . I am trying to encourage you that you dont have to flee squat .
IF what you say Is truth then speak it .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

John's teaching was from the Spirit of God, the Same Spirit that was on David, and Moses and Jesus, which is from heaven, not the doctrines of men.

Satan is highly sneaky studyman .
Would you like to see how so .
John had prepared the peoples UNTO CHRIST
repentance .
but satan and his men through a false sensual love
do nothing but prepare this people unto anti christ
by preaching acceptance of , not repentance from .
OOPSY we got devils in the house and many cannot see this dark spirit
which i personally call the spirit of the dark elijah
who preaches non stop about judge not correct not
and about acceptance and tolerance
and has made this peoples hearts and minds ready
for the big kahuna of its intefaith finding common ground ANTI CHRIST LIE .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

You are not the one... not of the two unless you had been on a much smaller forum that has closed down... yet again... and also use to post the Papal Encyclicals with comment.

I was referring to SDA folk who are very adamant of Saturday only Sabbath worship not that they worship the Sabbath but those who do not follow the Saturday one, set up by Mrs. White... they may be in trouble in the end.

I am not SDA. And will not speak for them

With tears in my eyes i must warn us let none follow the SDA
But this list of who not to follow is not just them its wide and far spread .
We have us a major problem . He who planteth the tares HAS INFILTRATED CHRISTENDOM
And now has come to merge all of christendom again as one and the false religoins
under what all will believe is LOVE and cometh OF GOD . its all a lie my friend .
But the tears from these eyes flow FOR MANY are being pulled right into it . Things aint looking good
mattie . THEY AINT for a long time . WHY we cant just get back into the bible
for ourselves and read together with others . IT would have soon easily been seen that what man has complicated
was man . What GOD left us for us to learn was simple and not confusing at all . IF only
i weep with those words , IF ONLY .

 

[Studyman]

There were many things in the old testament that foreshadowed the reality of John’s baptism.

That was my point, and why I replied to your post. The symbolism of water washing away sins, didn't start with John the Baptist.

You said it did.

There were many things in the old testament that foreshadowed the Messiah, such as the Passover lamb, however that doesn’t mean the Passover lamb was the Christ, anymore that passing through the Red Sea was the literal baptism of John.

Of course not. I never implied it was. You are the one accusing me of breaking God's commandments because I don't "Literally" kill men who commit Adultery, or work on God's Holy Sabbath, or curse their father.

How is it that when you accept that the Passover Lamb, killed on the Exodus, was not "Literally" the Christ, the Lamb of God, you are not "Spiritualizing God's Word to suit your own narrative". But when I accept and understand the exact same thing about the expression, "Shall be put to death", doesn't literally mean I am charged with killing adulterers, I AM "Spiritualizing God's Word to suit my own narrative"? What spirit would promote such behavior?

So yes, the thousands of lambs killed in the Passover of the Exodus, was not literally "The Christ".


That's why it was called "A Shadow" of things to come.

It foreshadowed the reality that was to come.

Yes, like the commandment for men who reject God's Commandments "To be put to death", foreshadows a future event,

Matt. 13: 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 1 Corinthians 10:1-2

Here we see the three different baptisms foreshadowed in Old Testament.

True, but the symbolism is the same, to cleanse them of their sins through baptism, or as it is defined, to "emerge or submerge" ones self into a "way of life" walked in, and promoted by the Jesus "of the Bible".

Why didn't you answer the question concerning Naaman, and the cleansing of his flesh?

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

That was my point, and why I replied to your post. The symbolism of water washing away sins, didn't start with John the Baptist.

You said it did.


Of course not. I never implied it was. You are the one accusing me of breaking God's commandments because I don't "Literally" kill men who commit Adultery, or work on God's Holy Sabbath, or curse their father.

How is it that when you accept that the Passover Lamb, killed on the Exodus, was not "Literally" the Christ, the Lamb of God, you are not "Spiritualizing God's Word to suit your own narrative". But when I accept and understand the exact same thing about the expression, "Shall be put to death", doesn't literally mean I am charged with killing adulterers, I AM "Spiritualizing God's Word to suit my own narrative"? What spirit would promote such behavior?

So yes, the thousands of lambs killed in the Passover of the Exodus, was not literally "The Christ".


That's why it was called "A Shadow" of things to come.



Yes, like the commandment for men who reject God's Commandments "To be put to death", foreshadows a future event,

Matt. 13: 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.



True, but the symbolism is the same, to cleanse them of their sins through baptism, or as it is defined, to "emerge or submerge" ones self into a "way of life" walked in, and promoted by the Jesus "of the Bible".

Why didn't you answer the question concerning Naaman, and the cleansing of his flesh?

What was the one thing required of naaman in order to receive his healing , his cleansing of the flesh .
Obediance . all he had to do was obey the command to go and wash ..............
Now its true this is only a cleansing of the flesh
As were the blood sacrfices of lambs bulls goats and etc .
Now again we are asked to OBEY . and the commandemnt now is
BELIEVE YE IN JESUS THE CHRIST . hear ye him . Keep his sayings .
rather odd that many sure seem to love the lies of men that twist HIS sayings and specially in these
VERY LAST Hours on earth . You heard that right , last hours on earth .
Because what these under the so called love spell do not seem to realize is
This lovey do tolerance inclusive sin accepting , UNBELIEF accepting fat lie
has done is made the road to perdtion MUCH MUCH broader
as they now believe its the path to GOD
AND it has promised them a solutoin . world PEACE N SAFETY .
you ever wonder what happens to those who make and love a lie .
Well lets allow the words of paul to speak again . FOR WHEN THEY SHALL SAY PEACE N SAFETY
ITS SUDDEN DESTRUCTION upon them all . YEAH , times for sure running out .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

And with the fork in one hand eating up the words of the LORD
and the spoon in the other , which shall be the best is yet to come
THIS SHEEP looks forward TO HIS DAY . finally a new heavens and new earth
wherein all who truly BELIVED IN CHRIST
shall forever praise and thank and honor THE LORD GOD ALL MIGHTY who had saved them .
Free from even the body of this flesh
free from watching so much contradiction and betrayal to GOD get loved by so many
who even profess to know Christ .
BUT till then , we have us a duty to do . TO LIVE FOR HE WHO SAVED US
and to continually point TO HIM . praying some will hear and beleive . TIMES running out .

 

[Jim]

Yes it actually was.

Although unique to John it was stated elsewhere.


Let’s look.


This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth. 1 John 5:6

• This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood.

Here he uses the phrase came by water. In John 3:5 he says born of water.


In 1John 5:6 he is referring to different births, one natural and the other is a supernatural.


Came by water is how everyone comes into this world.


Jesus Christ came into this world by both water and blood; thus John is showing the virgin birth.


Came by water refers to natural birth.

Came by water and blood refers to the virgin birth.

The few commentaries that I looked at for this all conclude the water is referencing the baptism of Jesus. I would tend to agree with that.

 

[Jim]

In my understanding, the tradition of "water baptizing" or as it were "the washing away of uncleanliness" began with Noah, in a spiritual sense, and certainly Moses. As Paul explains.

1 Cor. 10: 1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Duet. 23: 10 If there be among you any man, that is not clean by reason of uncleanness that chanceth him by night, then shall he go abroad out of the camp, he shall not come within the camp: 11 But it shall be, when evening cometh on, he shall wash himself with water: and when the sun is down, he shall come into the camp again.

Psalms 26: 6 I will wash mine hands in innocency: so will I compass thine altar, O LORD:

Is. 1: 16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil; 17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.

Jer. 4: 14 O Jerusalem, wash thine heart from wickedness, that thou mayest be saved. How long shall thy vain thoughts lodge within thee?

John 13: 8 Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.

Please consider:

Mark 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and "preach the baptism of repentance" for the remission of sins". 5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him "in the river of Jordan", "confessing their sins". (Naaman was also baptized in a fashion, Yes? And for the purpose of Cleansing his flesh as well)

And Also this:

Ps. 52: 1 Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions. 2 "Wash me" throughly from mine iniquity, and "cleanse me" from my sin. 3 For "I acknowledge my transgressions": and my sin is ever before me.

Can you find any difference between what David is teaching, and what John the Baptist was preaching?

Perhaps I am looking at the Holy Scriptures wrong. But given these Scriptures and more, it seems to me that the practice of "Baptism/washing with water" for cleansing of sins, started long before John.

That would certainly go along with the record of Paul's baptism described in Acts 9 and in Paul's letter to Titus (Tiitus 3:5).

 

[JLB]

John's teaching was from the Spirit of God, the Same Spirit that was on David, and Moses and Jesus, which is from heaven, not the doctrines of men.

I agree from heaven.
Water baptism began with John but was foreshadowed in the Old Testament.

 

[JLB]

The few commentaries that I looked at for this all conclude the water is referencing the baptism of Jesus. I would tend to agree with that.

So you believe came by water, came into this world by water refers to baptism?

Brother, The apostle John is emphasizing the virgin birth of Jesus Christ which was a witness to Him being the Messiah, the Son of the living God.

The emphasis is the witnesses, that confirm Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Out of the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word (truth) be established.
Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.

This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth. For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.

If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of God which He has testified of His Son. 1 John 5:5-9

This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood.
These are two of the three witnesses, that confirm Jesus Christ is the Messiah.
Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel. Isaiah 7:14

again

For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 9:6

The water and blood when He was born confirm He was born of a virgin and the prophesied Messiah who is God with us.

And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood;

The Spirit was there as the third witness.

 

[Bassnah]

For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him, may have eternal life; and I Myself will raise him up on the last day. John 6:40

But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name.
John 1:12

Now when He was in Jerusalem at the Passover during the feast, many believed in His name, beholding His signs which He was doing. John 2:23

The gospel writers understood that Jesus was calling men to do more than simply believe in His existence. They knew from their own experience that Christ was calling on sinners to put their trust in Him: in His life, in His words, and ultimately in His death as payment for their sin. After Your Saved why would you stop trusting Christ?

You could thy but it is may belief Jesus will not let you keep going down that path.

Gaining “eternal life” and becoming “children of God” are the apostle John’s terms for salvation. Paul prefers the term justification:

Therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Romans 5:1

Having peace with God is such a great gift you never let it go.

 

[Jim]

So you believe came by water, came into this world by water refers to baptism?

The Spirit, the water and blood testify (1John 5:8) . God testified to Jesus at his baptism.

 

[Studyman]

That would certainly go along with the record of Paul's baptism described in Acts 9 and in Paul's letter to Titus (Tiitus 3:5).

I think so as well, Titus is the perfect verse, thank you for bringing it into our discussion.

If I may, I would use Caleb as an example. He was baptized as Paul said, " baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea", and drank and ate from the Rock, and that Rock was Christ. So symbolically he "emersed or submerged himself" into "the way of the Lord", just like Abraham, and was "renewed in the spirit of his mind", he "brought forth works worthy of repentance", he "yielded himself a servant to obey God", he "put on the new man, created after God, and was saved, "by the washing of regeneration", and renewing of the Holy Ghost". Not by HIS Righteousness, but by submitting and walking in the Righteousness of God, like Abraham. And as God said though Moses;

Num. 14: 22 Because all those men which have seen my glory, and my miracles, which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have tempted me now these ten times, and have not hearkened to my voice; 23 Surely they "shall not see" the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:

24 But my servant Caleb, because he had "another spirit" with him, and hath followed me fully, him will I bring "into the land" whereinto he went; and his seed shall possess it.

And it can also be said, given these Biblical Truths in my view, that it wasn't Caleb, Abraham, David, Shadrack, Daniel Zacharias, Simeon, etc., etc., that did the works, "But the Spirit of Christ in them".

I think this was John's Baptism which was preparing men who had been led astray by the religious system of this world for the "Renewing of the Holy Ghost" and the Baptism of the Living Water, the Prophesied Messiah, the Rock of true Israel.

I mean, what other Spirit would provoke Caleb and Paul to "Yield themselves" to God and "Follow Him fully"? And what spirit would provoke the "many" in the wilderness to ""Not Hearken unto the voice of God"?

And I want to thank you for the discussion. It is so refreshing to fellowship with someone who doesn't seem to have a religious agenda.

 

[Dean]

For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him, may have eternal life; and I Myself will raise him up on the last day. John 6:40

But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name.
John 1:12

Now when He was in Jerusalem at the Passover during the feast, many believed in His name, beholding His signs which He was doing. John 2:23

The gospel writers understood that Jesus was calling men to do more than simply believe in His existence. They knew from their own experience that Christ was calling on sinners to put their trust in Him: in His life, in His words, and ultimately in His death as payment for their sin. After Your Saved why would you stop trusting Christ?

You could thy but it is may belief Jesus will not let you keep going down that path.

Gaining “eternal life” and becoming “children of God” are the apostle John’s terms for salvation. Paul prefers the term justification:

Therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Romans 5:1

Having peace with God is such a great gift you never let it go.

I'll never let the gift of salvation go.