Excellent Discussion on OSAS

[Tothalordbeallglory]

With all due respect that is really quite silly. Born of water was never stated as a euphemism for natural births anywhere in the Bible. It is not now a euphemism for the natural birth and has it never been one.

Besides in John 3:5 Jesus is answering Nicodemus' question about Jesus' statement of being born again. Jesus' answer was that to be born again was to be born of water and Spirit. Clearly being born again can't have anything to do with the physical body.

Yes, the first time when God formed the spirit of man in him.

No Jesus was not using the natural birth to teach Nicodemus about spiritual birth. He is saying that the flesh of man comes from flesh, i.e., parents, and the spirit of man comes from Spirit, i.e., God. It is the spirit not the flesh that needs to be reborn. The spirit of man needs to be reborn of water and Spirit. The spirit of man was born initially by God at or before (I believe at conception) physical birth. It became dead in trespasses and sins (Eph 2:1) and needed to be reborn to bring it back to life. It needed to be reborn of water and Spirit. I believe Peter Sermon at Pentecost describes the rebirth of water and Spirit in Acts 2:38 and elsewhere (cf. Acts 19:1-7; Rom 6:1-6; Col 2:11-12)/

And who exactly was not born of natural birth?

Yes it is because his spirit, first born of God when he was born from his mother's womb became dead in his trespasses and sins and thus needed to be reborn of water and Spirit.

That is true. That false narrative was a major topic of Romans 9.

By the WORD . the water of the WORD by which if one do beleive THEY are saved
and are sealed with the SPIRIT .
Now did the early church also water baptize . YES . thus let us simply do so . that simple .
Now to the trenches one and all . The hour is late and in an hour known to no man
THE DOOR will shut and ALL outside shall wail .

 

[Jim]

@Jim

Jim, you are not following the context of the discourse between Jesus and Nicodemus, for if your were then you cannot believe as you are saying in this short post.

Jim, I have posted this several times over the years and I know you have read it, but one more time would be helpful, if not for you, then for someone for sure.

Jim, interpretations of scriptures must agree with their context.​

Remember this law: A text used out of context is a pretext. We cannot violate it; learn to spot it.

A text is a word, clause, verse, paragraph, chapter, or book we are seeking to interpret.

Context is the surrounding information, which shows the author’s meaning by the text.

Out of context is using words and their sound contrary to the surrounding information.

A pretext is a false and incorrect impression designed to hide or disguise the real intent.

Using a verse contrary to its context gives a misleading and deceitful sound of words to teach something the author did not intend and/or is not true. We must reject this abuse of words!

Yes, context is critical. And the context of John 3:1-8 is clear enough. Jesus told Nicodemus that he must be born again. Nicodemus was confused about how that could be. He asked Jesus about entering a second time into his mother's womb. Jesus' answer of what He meant by being born again was to be born of water and Spirit. It had nothing whatsoever to do with amniotic fluids, a really ridiculous explanation for the water.

You have had your words used out of context before, and you hated the corruption of your intent and meaning. We must labor never do it with the precious Word of God.

If there is anything out of context in explanations of John 3 on being born again, it is the ridiculous idea of the non-existing euphemism of water being the amniotic fluid of natural childbirth.

This rule applies to all writings and conversations of every sort, and so context is well understood by most people. Contracts, court records, novels, promises, and poetry are all understood in context, or surrounding information, to truly understand their meaning.

Even single words are meaningless without a context, which is why you asked your teacher to use them in a sentence before you would try to spell them in a spelling bee!

Even if we use a verse to teach a true point, we must sure we still honor its context. For using the wrong verse to teach the right point is the first subtle step to heresy. Mark it!

This being said, without question Jim, Jesus would have never mention water, if Nicodemus had not first mentioned returning to his mother's womb and being born again, never. Proof, when the Lord explains rto Nicodemus how the new birth takes place, water is never mention again. Plus he even said:

John 3:6​

“That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”

In other words, No need to return and be born of your mother again, because you still would be born of flesh ~ flesh in the scriptures has reference to our sinful nature, the reason why we must be born again of the Spirit, which birth takes place in our subconscious part, or without our participation or even our knowledge of it ~since God alone is the only active person working in creating a new man within us, after the image of Jesus Christ, by his mighty power. I agree with with @JLB on this all important truth:

Amen

And again, I am sorry that you continue to speak of all of this out of context. Jesus' answer to Nicodemus was that to be born again was to be born of water and Spirit.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Born of water was not stated as natural birth .
Correct to the one who said this .
Being born of water and spirit
Being born of the Word and Spirit
They who believe THE WORD , that is the gospel ,
are sealed with the SPIRIT of promise .
But folks better make darn sure the jesus they love and follow IS THE JESUS CHRIST of GOD .
cause many follow a sin accepting one , even the sin of unbelief . THAT AINT JESUS folks and IT CANNOT save .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Isn't Jesus the Son??

HE sure is sister .
He who beleives JESUS is the SON of GOD
the CHRIST of GOD . as john would write .
Which begs me now to ask us all one tiny question .
WHY come and HOW come so many within even christendom
seem to be beleiving this lie that somehow the muslims and other religoins be worshipping
the same GOD we do . SIE muslim preaches another jesus , GOD has no son they say
and even put their muhammed as greater than and a co worker with jesus .
Yeah , that aint jesus .
IF the jews who claimed to know the law , to know moses , to known abraham
But failed to believe ON JESUS the CHRIST were told ye of your father the devil
DONT expect the gentiles to get a pass either . them religoins ARE FALSE . and we , we must
simply preach CHRIST to all that has breath .
HE who hears amen , he who hears not , shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them .

 

[Jim]

By the WORD . the water of the WORD by which if one do beleive THEY are saved
and are sealed with the SPIRIT .
Now did the early church also water baptize . YES . thus let us simply do so . that simple .
Now to the trenches one and all . The hour is late and in an hour known to no man
THE DOOR will shut and ALL outside shall wail .

Yes, until Huldrych Zwingli, in the early 1500s, began to teach against the RCC practice of baptism, water baptism for the forgiveness of sin was the accepted practice.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Yes, until Huldrych Zwingli, in the early 1500s, began to teach against the RCC practice of baptism, water baptism for the forgiveness of sin was the accepted practice.

Heed not the RCC , heed not zwingli , calvin or scores of others .
Let us HEED CHRIST and stay planted in the biblical doctrine . its that simple . Man has complicated much
and done serve grieveious and blasphmous errors unto these peoples .
IF the early church did it
then we do it . THIS GOES with ALL THE SAYINGS and teachings . Including i suffer not a ....................
cause i see lots of wrong things today .

 

[Jim]

Born of water was not stated as natural birth .
Correct to the one who said this .
Being born of water and spirit
Being born of the Word and Spirit
They who believe THE WORD , that is the gospel ,
are sealed with the SPIRIT of promise .
But folks better make darn sure the jesus they love and follow IS THE JESUS CHRIST of GOD .
cause many follow a sin accepting one , even the sin of unbelief . THAT AINT JESUS folks and IT CANNOT save .

Baptism, the immersion in water, was well establish and well known to all at that time due to the ministries of both John the Baptism and Jesus and His disciples. The new birth was demonstrated in Peter's first sermon at Pentecost (Acts 2:38).

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Baptism, the immersion in water, was well establish and well known to all at that time due to the ministries of both John the Baptism and Jesus and His disciples. The new birth was demonstrated in Peter's first sermon at Pentecost (Acts 2:38).

Do you hear me saying in any way NOT to be water baptized . no .
I say IF the early church did this then we do it .
As far as the RCC its a den of a dragon . Sadly she has many protestant daughters now
who do her one world bidding of a one world love false religion to gather all .
That which is of anti christ is at work through many anti christs even as we speak my friend . So do be encouraged in
the LORD and fear not man or what he can do . The true saints will only be hated more and more
with what little time this world even has left to hate on the sheep . THE END is coming .
we must preach JESUS to all that breathes air .

 

[Jim]

Do you hear me saying in any way NOT to be water baptized . no .
I say IF the early church did this then we do it .

How early do you count as the early church? I would rather appeal to the NT scriptures than to the "early church". The NT references to baptism for the forgiveness of sin is enough reason for me to accept it. All of the current efforts to detach NT baptism from water baptism is for me just sheer ignorance.

 

[MTMattie]

Neither did a baptism precede either the event in the Upper Room or the Day of Pentecost.
Not true. Water baptism was begun by John.
Then Jesus came from Galilee to John at the Jordan to be baptized by him. And John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I need to be baptized by You, and are You coming to me?”
But Jesus answered and said to him, “Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he allowed Him.
When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
Matthew 3:13-17


Water baptism began with John the Baptist.

Jesus submitted to this ministry and set a pattern for all His followers.

Expletive.

I am going to stop posting on here for however long it takes me to regroup from a stated charge on here, followed by a denial and other things that transpired yesterday.

But I need to correct you... I never said there were no baptisms before the event in the Upper Room or the Day of Pentecost.
I said IN POST 1910. I posted its reasonable to assume that having first been followers of John, several of the Lord’s disciples had been baptized. But there’s nothing in the Biblical record indicating that they all were,

and even those who were did not receive the Holy Spirit at the time.
Neither did a baptism precede either the event in the Upper Room or the Day of Pentecost.

There simply no baptisms connedcted with the upper room or Pentecost.
But everyone hears the word baptism and jumps to a watery conclusion.

WE ALL KNOW JESUS WAS BAPTISED BEFORE THEM.

But in the upper room the Holy Spirit came as it did on Pentecost
the Day of Pentecost.
ACTS
2:4 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

SHOW ME THE WATER......................................................................

The Upper Room Experience​

1. Gathering in the Upper Room: After Jesus’ ascension, His followers obeyed His command to wait in Jerusalem for the promised Holy Spirit. Acts 1:13–15 describes the scene: “When they had entered the city, they went up to the upper room where they were staying; that is, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, Simon the Zealot, and Judas, the son of James. All with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with the women, Mary, the mother of Jesus, and His brothers. At this time, Peter stood up amid the brethren (a gathering of about one hundred and twenty persons was together).”
2. The Outpouring of the Holy Spirit: Acts 2:1–4 recounts the extraordinary event on the Day of Pentecost: “When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place. And suddenly, there came from heaven a noise like a violent rushing wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. And there appeared to them tongues as of fire distributing themselves, and they rested on each one. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.”
3. Peter’s First Gospel Sermon: With the help of the Holy Spirit, Peter stood up and gave a stirring sermon to the crowd. Acts 2:14–18 describes his proclamation: “But Peter, taking his stand with the eleven, raised his voice and declared to them: ‘Men of Judea and all you who live in Jerusalem, let this be known to you and give heed to my words. Given that it is only the third hour of the day, these men are not intoxicated, as you might assume. Rather, the prophet Joel foretold the following: “And it shall be in the last days,” declares God, “That I will pour forth of My Spirit on all mankind; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams; even on My bondslaves, both men and women, I will in those days pour forth of My Spirit, And they shall prophesy.”

And the Upper Room also, where Jesus shared His last supper and the wine and bread.... awaiting the hour of His torment... there were no baptisms........

But you dont understand this, as the one who liked your post does not and never can...so tootles.

 

[Studyman]

Neither did a baptism precede either the event in the Upper Room or the Day of Pentecost.
Not true. Water baptism was begun by John.

Actually John was a true Levite Priest. A "Son of Aaron", prophesied to prepare the way for the New Priesthood, and God's Priest after the "New Order". The ritual of baptism began with the Levitical Priesthood. At least according to what is written in Scriptures. In the Temporary Levitical Priesthood, baptism in this manner, was only for Levites.

Ex. 29: 4 And Aaron and his sons thou shalt bring unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and shalt wash them with water.

This Spiritually signified being cleansed before approaching the Tabernacle, or the "Throne of Grace". But in this temporary priesthood, only a Levite could be baptized to Enter, and Only a Levite Priest could do the baptizing.

All of this symbolically pointed to God's true Kingdom of "Kings and Priests" wherein the Jesus "of the Bible", is the Head, or High Priest of God, and the Temple of God, not made with hands, resides in the minds of the Faithful, those who have "Cast away their transgressions", and have been baptized, not with just any water, but symbolically "the waters of the Jordan", as Naaman discovered. There is symbolism associated with this as well.

Heb. 4: 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

16 Let us therefore "come boldly unto the throne of grace", that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Baptism, according to what is written, symbolically represents the washing away of sins. John knew Jesus was the Prophesied Priest Moses spoke about in Duet. 18, and David in the Psalms, and Isaiah, and all of Moses and the Prophets, and therefore said, and rightfully so, that Jesus should baptize him. But Jesus knew His own Law, and HE knew it was fitting that He be anointed into the Priesthood of God, by "a Son of Aaron", "to fulfill all righteousness".

So water baptism was well established in the Old Priesthood. The Pharisees had corrupted the "Covenant with Levi", but John the Baptist was faithful to God.

There were some men, who professed to know God, who sought to be baptized of John, but were not repentant, or as it were, didn't "cast away all their transgressions", rather, they Lived in them.

Luke 3:7 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Bring forth therefore fruits "worthy of repentance", and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

15 And as the people were in expectation, and all men mused in their hearts of John, whether he were the Christ, or not; 16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: "he shall baptize you" with the Holy Ghost and with fire: 17 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.

Matt. 20: 22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able. 23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.

There is a lot of misunderstanding and man-made traditions in this world's religious system surrounding, "water baptism". It's a great study. But one thing is for sure, it didn't begin with John the Baptist, at least according to scriptures.

 

[Jim]

There is a lot of misunderstanding and man-made traditions in this world's religious system surrounding, "water baptism". It's a great study. But one thing is for sure, it didn't begin with John the Baptist, at least according to scriptures.

But In reading concerning the consecration of Aaron and sons, I think that baptizing the general multitudes for the forgiveness of sin did begin with John. I could be wrong about that. If you think I am, show me how I am wrong.

 

[Bassnah]

Is the love of God in Jesus synonymous with salvation?

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:16.

 

[JLB]

Born of water was never stated as a euphemism for natural births anywhere in the Bible.

Yes it actually was.
Although unique to John it was stated elsewhere.
Let’s look.
This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth. 1 John 5:6

This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood.
Here he uses the phrase came by water. In John 3:5 he says born of water.
In 1John 5:6 he is referring to different births, one natural and the other is a supernatural.
Came by water is how everyone comes into this world.
Jesus Christ came into this world by both water and blood; thus John is showing the virgin birth.

Came by water refers to natural birth.
Came by water and blood refers to the virgin birth.

 

[JLB]

Actually John was a true Levite Priest. A "Son of Aaron", prophesied to prepare the way for the New Priesthood, and God's Priest after the "New Order". The ritual of baptism began with the Levitical Priesthood. At least according to what is written in Scriptures. In the Temporary Levitical Priesthood, baptism in this manner, was only for Levites.

Ex. 29: 4 And Aaron and his sons thou shalt bring unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and shalt wash them with water.

This Spiritually signified being cleansed before approaching the Tabernacle, or the "Throne of Grace". But in this temporary priesthood, only a Levite could be baptized to Enter, and Only a Levite Priest could do the baptizing.

All of this symbolically pointed to God's true Kingdom of "Kings and Priests" wherein the Jesus "of the Bible", is the Head, or High Priest of God, and the Temple of God, not made with hands, resides in the minds of the Faithful, those who have "Cast away their transgressions", and have been baptized, not with just any water, but symbolically "the waters of the Jordan", as Naaman discovered. There is symbolism associated with this as well.

Heb. 4: 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

16 Let us therefore "come boldly unto the throne of grace", that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Baptism, according to what is written, symbolically represents the washing away of sins. John knew Jesus was the Prophesied Priest Moses spoke about in Duet. 18, and David in the Psalms, and Isaiah, and all of Moses and the Prophets, and therefore said, and rightfully so, that Jesus should baptize him. But Jesus knew His own Law, and HE knew it was fitting that He be anointed into the Priesthood of God, by "a Son of Aaron", "to fulfill all righteousness".

So water baptism was well established in the Old Priesthood. The Pharisees had corrupted the "Covenant with Levi", but John the Baptist was faithful to God.

There were some men, who professed to know God, who sought to be baptized of John, but were not repentant, or as it were, didn't "cast away all their transgressions", rather, they Lived in them.

Luke 3:7 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Bring forth therefore fruits "worthy of repentance", and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

15 And as the people were in expectation, and all men mused in their hearts of John, whether he were the Christ, or not; 16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: "he shall baptize you" with the Holy Ghost and with fire: 17 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.

Matt. 20: 22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able. 23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.

There is a lot of misunderstanding and man-made traditions in this world's religious system surrounding, "water baptism". It's a great study. But one thing is for sure, it didn't begin with John the Baptist, at least according to scriptures.

The baptism of John—where was it from? From heaven or from men?”
And they reasoned among themselves, saying, “If we say, ‘From heaven,’ He will say to us, ‘Why then did you not believe him?’ But if we say, ‘From men,’ we fear the multitude, for all count John as a prophet.” So they answered Jesus and said, “We do not know.” Matthew 21:25-27

The baptism of John was unique and had never been done before.
Not one of these Pharisee’s mentioned anything about water baptism being part of the Levitical Priesthood.

 

[Studyman]

I wish that one of there two we know that constantly are on the Sabbath worship would chime in. One is a member here, but seems to not have seen this or is avoiding.

I wont tag them because they may be avoiding.

The other one is not a member here so Ill just wait and see....

As I am a party to the post you replied to, it seems prudent to clear up at least one thing, just in case you were inferring that I am one who "worships the Sabbath". If you were not inferring such a thing, that is great. But in case you were, please consider. I don't "Worship God's Sabbath". I worship the God and Father of the Lord's Christ, "of the Bible", as this same Christ instructs me to do, and who HE worships consequently, to this very day. This same Jesus also instructed me to "Live by" this Same God's Words. And to "Be perfect", not after my definition of perfect, or the Popes definition, or this world's definition, but by God's definition.

In God's definition of perfect, righteousness, mercy, these exists Laws intended to teach men how to treat God and how to treat others. These Laws include a Holy "Sabbath Day", and instructions on how to keep it Holy, separate from other days. It was important to God that I know about this Commandment, as the penalty for rejecting the law, is the same penalty for killing someone, or committing adultery. It is also interesting that Passover, Feast of Unleavened bread, and this Sabbath was the 1st commandments of God given to Israel.

There is a spirit of this world that promotes, through trickery, that "I" am given a mandate, commanded by God to carry out the punishment God pronounced for transgressing His Commandments. This spirit deceptively promotes that if "I" don't personally kill those who commit adultery, or those who reject God's Holy Sabbath, that I am not obeying God's Commandments, and therefore are guilty of breaking all of God's Commandments.

Of course this teaching is evil, and certainly not true. Nevertheless, this same spirit tried to trick Jesus in the same exact way.

I tried to point out this spirit, but it's influence is strong in this world, and can only be overcome by Faith/belief in "ALL" of God's Words, including "thou shall not kill".

 

[JLB]

But I need to correct you... I never said there were no baptisms before the event in the Upper Room or the Day of Pentecost.

Ok. I’m sorry I misunderstood what you were stating. Maybe phrase it a little differently.

 

[JLB]

SHOW ME THE WATER......................................................................

The Upper Room Experience​

1. Gathering in the Upper Room: After Jesus’ ascension, His followers obeyed His command to wait in Jerusalem for the promised Holy Spirit. Acts 1:13–15 describes the scene: “When they had entered the city, they went up to the upper room where they were staying; that is, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, Simon the Zealot, and Judas, the son of James. All with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with the women, Mary, the mother of Jesus, and His brothers. At this time, Peter stood up amid the brethren (a gathering of about one hundred and twenty persons was together).”
2. The Outpouring of the Holy Spirit: Acts 2:1–4 recounts the extraordinary event on the Day of Pentecost: “When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place. And suddenly, there came from heaven a noise like a violent rushing wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. And there appeared to them tongues as of fire distributing themselves, and they rested on each one. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.”
3. Peter’s First Gospel Sermon: With the help of the Holy Spirit, Peter stood up and gave a stirring sermon to the crowd. Acts 2:14–18 describes his proclamation: “But Peter, taking his stand with the eleven, raised his voice and declared to them: ‘Men of Judea and all you who live in Jerusalem, let this be known to you and give heed to my words. Given that it is only the third hour of the day, these men are not intoxicated, as you might assume. Rather, the prophet Joel foretold the following: “And it shall be in the last days,” declares God, “That I will pour forth of My Spirit on all mankind; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams; even on My bondslaves, both men and women, I will in those days pour forth of My Spirit, And they shall prophesy.”

And the Upper Room also, where Jesus shared His last supper and the wine and bread.... awaiting the hour of His torment... there were no baptisms........

But you dont understand this, as the one who liked your post does not and never can...so tootles.

They were baptized in water by John or the disciples. If Jesus was baptized by John then it stands to reason all His followers were baptized in water, thus following the example of Jesus.

 

[Studyman]

But In reading concerning the consecration of Aaron and sons, I think that baptizing the general multitudes for the forgiveness of sin did begin with John. I could be wrong about that. If you think I am, show me how I am wrong.

In my understanding, the tradition of "water baptizing" or as it were "the washing away of uncleanliness" began with Noah, in a spiritual sense, and certainly Moses. As Paul explains.

1 Cor. 10: 1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Duet. 23: 10 If there be among you any man, that is not clean by reason of uncleanness that chanceth him by night, then shall he go abroad out of the camp, he shall not come within the camp: 11 But it shall be, when evening cometh on, he shall wash himself with water: and when the sun is down, he shall come into the camp again.

Psalms 26: 6 I will wash mine hands in innocency: so will I compass thine altar, O LORD:

Is. 1: 16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil; 17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.

Jer. 4: 14 O Jerusalem, wash thine heart from wickedness, that thou mayest be saved. How long shall thy vain thoughts lodge within thee?

John 13: 8 Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.

Please consider:

Mark 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and "preach the baptism of repentance" for the remission of sins". 5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him "in the river of Jordan", "confessing their sins". (Naaman was also baptized in a fashion, Yes? And for the purpose of Cleansing his flesh as well)

And Also this:

Ps. 52: 1 Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions. 2 "Wash me" throughly from mine iniquity, and "cleanse me" from my sin. 3 For "I acknowledge my transgressions": and my sin is ever before me.

Can you find any difference between what David is teaching, and what John the Baptist was preaching?

Perhaps I am looking at the Holy Scriptures wrong. But given these Scriptures and more, it seems to me that the practice of "Baptism/washing with water" for cleansing of sins, started long before John.

 

[Studyman]

The baptism of John—where was it from? From heaven or from men?”
And they reasoned among themselves, saying, “If we say, ‘From heaven,’ He will say to us, ‘Why then did you not believe him?’ But if we say, ‘From men,’ we fear the multitude, for all count John as a prophet.” So they answered Jesus and said, “We do not know.” Matthew 21:25-27


The baptism of John was unique and had never been done before.


Not one of these Pharisee’s mentioned anything about water baptism being part of the Levitical Priesthood.

The Pharisees were children of the devil who taught for doctrines the Commandments of men, not God. Is it any great surprise that the Pharisees were "Ignorant of God's Righteousness", but John the Baptist wasn't?

Let me ask you a question, was Naaman Baptized in the Jordan for the cleansing of his flesh?