Yes that would be nice to see what they believe.
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Yes that would be nice to see what they believe.
Let me say this about that...you can't become un-saved. Once you're in the Jesus Bus you're on your way to Heaven by God's Grace. See you there.
What a nice thought.
Could you provide the scripture that says once we are in Christ we can never be disconnected from Him?
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GodsGrace
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Correct!
We are to repent.
Repent means to change our mind...
to change our direction.
Our direction is now to walk toward God.
Jesus said we are to follow Him.
To follow means to obey.
Any statement that sounds like Jesus does not require obedience,
is a very dangeroud statement !
GodsGrace
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I like Romans 1:5
5 through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith among all the Gentiles for His name's sake,
We obey because we have faith.
Obedience is for the saved.
The unsaved are not required to obey God.
They must obey the gospel FIRST and believe in Jesus, Who is God.
Yes baptismal regeneration in water is false. We are not regenerated by water.
We are regenerated by the Spirit; born of the Spirit.
Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12
But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, Titus 3:4-5
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
Yes they were baptized by John in water.
However being baptized in water by John doesn’t necessarily mean they were born again, since that involves believing in Christ Jesus.
How can they believe in Him who they have not heard? Romans 10:14
People that weren’t baptized in water but believed in Jesus were born again.
Some of the language in scripture can be obscure meaning one thing in one verse and meaning another thing in another verse.
I believe you are referring to this scripture -
And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”
So they said to him, “We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.”
And he said to them, “Into what then were you baptized?”
So they said, “Into John’s baptism.”
Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.”
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied.
Acts 19:1-6
What do you believe about this scripture?
Do you believe these disciples of John were baptized in water again, or something else?
Jesus is not actually saying to do something. What he is saying is that if anyone does something then something else happens.
The statement by Jesus in Mark 16:16, is "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned".
That is a conditional. That is essentially the same as saying, "if anyone believes and is baptized then he will be saved, but if anyone does not believe then he will be condemned.
The conditions believe and being baptized are sufficient conditions. If they are met, then the one who believes and is baptized will be saved. The statement that if anyone does not believe then he will be condemned together with the first part makes believing a necessary condition. One will be saved if and only if he believes. The same is not true for being baptized, at lease in that verse. The statement in Mark 16:16 makes baptism only a sufficient condition. If you want to make baptism a necessary condition for salvation, you will have to find it elsewhere.
I would note that even the command by Peter to the repentant believers in Acts 2:38 presents repenting and being baptized as sufficient conditions. Again, nothing that Peter says there precludes God from saving repentant believers who do not repent and are not baptized. For that you have to look elsewhere.
Tranquil
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Is it? first time I ever heard that. You don't know who God is?
MTMattie
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Wait, wait, wait. You are confused. You are not talking about what I posted.
I posted its reasonable to assume that having first been followers of John, several of the Lord’s disciples had been baptized. But there’s nothing in the Biblical record indicating that they all were, and even those who were did not receive the Holy Spirit at the time. Neither did a baptism precede either the event in the Upper Room or the Day of Pentecost.
But there’s nothing in the Biblical record indicating that they all were,
Perhaps there were, but it is not recorded as if... for them.... that was not the most important thing because they already had their faith in Jesus...... ????????
And what I just made red.
We know baptism is important. It was directed by Jesus. But Jesus never baptised anyone that I can remember and look what
Paul said 1 Cor:14-17
14I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
15Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
16And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
17For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
Such an important event especially at the beginning of a new religion. But Paul was not told to.....
But, pardon me for replying because I am not supposed to offer an observation according to one here... it is just that the Holy Spirit wont let me keep my mouth shut. I best listen to Him.
Ahar
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I can't think of any Good Works that would damn us.
Doesn’t the Great Commission conclude with a command to teach those who have come to Christ to “obey everything I have taught you”? Apparently, Jesus considers obedience to be neither “adding to the gospel” nor an extra credit add-on for those who are really into it.
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” Matthew 28:19-20
WE do Good Works because we are saved, not to get saved.
MTMattie
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If it was water they may have done it to themselves...
I posted this elsewhere... re Paul 1 Cor
14I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
So he would hardly have done them, except to bring the Spirit to them (no water needed)
A very good question.... I think on it.
In those two verses, baptizing and teaching is not what you do to disciples, it is how you make disciples of all nations. Both are participles modifying the command "make" which is, in fact, the only Greek imperative in those two verses.
MTMattie
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@GodsGrace knows. She was responding to another poster who kind of suggested that and wants some clarity,
Tranquil
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Thanks, I'm seeing a lot of weird posts here lately.
Excellent question. This opens the whole discussion concerning obedience and faith concerning salvation.
But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “LORD, who has believed our report?”
Romans 10:17
The Gospel of the kingdom of God is repent for the kingdom of God is at hand.
Peter said it this way -
Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38
Repent is the command of the Gospel. This is what must be obeyed.
Repent in those days was about turning away from one king and becoming a part of another kingdom; a superior kingdom that was at hand to overthrow the kingdom that a person was in.
“Bend the knee” or “bow the knee” to the king of a superior kingdom that at hand to overthrow another kingdom.
That was the mindset in the first century. There were no “elections” where people voted for their president.
It was kings and kingdoms. It was overcome or be overcome.
Repents means surrender to the kingdom at hand or die.
Repent to those hearing the Gospel of the kingdom therefore means turn to God in submission to Him as LORD, or perish.
The way we obey this command of the Gospel is to confess Jesus as LORD.
If we are called to turn to God, then by default we are called to turn away from Satan as our lord; our master, the one we obey.
Repent is about being transferred from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of God’s Son.
Here is the commission that Jesus Christ gave to Paul. Paul recounts his road to Damascus experience with king Agrippa.
So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’
“Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance. Acts 26:15-20
Key Phrases:
- I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God
- I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God
There is more but I have go long already.
Tothalordbeallglory
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to the trenches one and all . every hand on deck . the enemy does not slow down to decieve
thus we must not take time off to correct and point to Christ .
Man the walls and let all that draws breath praise n thank the LORD .
We in the army of the LORD and no weekend passes , its all out war for the souls of men .
Tothalordbeallglory
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- I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God
Because i seen what them leaders teach . Behaving as though all the worlds religoins
serving GOD . NOPE .
they all still trapped in darkness and under the power of satan . ONLY ONE WAY TO BE FREE from that .
Starts with an B and ends with a T .
BELIEVE IN JESUS THE CHRIST . no other hope , all else is vain and of anti christ to lead all to damnation .
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