Yes He is God and knows what is best. I think the big one he wants us to do is love each other. Here it not going to happen as well as He intended. But one fine day it will be on...for eternity.
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Jesus changes people to be more like Him, for sure.
So why do you reject the truth of what the scriptures teach about the day of Judgement?
People who truly know him and act like Him are not afraid to face Him on that Day.
Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing to Him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are well known to God, and I also trust are well known in your consciences.
2 Corinthians 5:9-11
Eternally-Grateful
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did anyone ever answer it?
we have a book we give away, its called how good is good enough.
Eternally-Grateful
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yes. no question. If we try to stray, like Job he sticks things in our way to lead us back. He leaves the fock to come get us.. and we being his cheep know his voice and follow
Who said I reject them?
do you realise there are two judgments?
I accept both. and I accept what God says about both
I am not afraid. But not because I am good. or rioghteous or act.
But because he saved me.. He adopted me with all my flaws and said I am his
Yes
and?
Again, this does not help you in this conversation
Affinity
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I think you answered it.
Eternally-Grateful
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good. I was hoping I did
I agree.
Those are man made phrases that don’t appear in scripture, except one… faith in God.
There is only faith from God.
Faith comes to us by hearing His word to us.
So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17
True, one of God's instruction in righteousness is to love others. But it's seems like Loving God is the most important thing. If we Love God, we will do what HE says. And men can do that now if they want to, even in the world we live in now.
Eternally-Grateful
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no. they are not man made.
People in scripture had faith in their works. Thats why the jews crucified Christ.
Yes. The gift of faith. but this is for people already saved..
yes. Through hearing his word. we can trust his word.
or we can not trust his word (which is in effect trusting someone or something else
yes.
The people in James, heard. but they had no faith
the people in 2 peter heard. and knew and understood. but they had no faith.
Jeff
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What's real bad is when your driving and see a greenlight that's not there.
You obviously refused to consider the CONTEXT, which said: "and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you." Of course if a stranger came in AMONG the Jews then they Must lie as did the Jews and could not live differently. It has been a truth taught by men of God since the apostles that the dietary laws, including kosher dietary restrictions, were intended for Israel to WHOM they were given by Moses, and that they WERE NOT blinding of gentiles unless they came and lived among the Jews, then of course they were, which goes without questioning. Men of God believed and taught that these laws served as a special, national ordinance, not a universal obligation. However, they also recognized that some dietary restrictions, such as those related to abstaining from food offered to idols and consuming blood, were deemed important for Gentiles as well, as addressed by the apostles in Acts 15. We allow the NT to reveal the totally truth on any given doctrine, and it will.
Studyman, I can assure you of one thing ~My Lord Jesus Christ and the jesus you teach and believe in are not the same. I would love to debate you one on one on this ONE DOCTRINE concerning the Sonship of Jesus Christ. I believe and teach that Jesus of Narareth, was BOTH the Son of God born around two thousand years ago, and also is the God of Genesis 1:1, WITHOUT "qualification".., the Everlasting Father of all things ~as the son of God he had a beginning; and it is recorded for us in Luke one ~ as the Mighty God, HE IS the Alpha and Omega of all things.
Colossians 1:16
“For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:”Your jesus is the same jesus that the Jehovah Witnesses teach and follow.
They are, yet Christ and Moses taught differently as far as the plainness of their speech to the people ~ Moses put a veil over his face, not so with Christ! Do I need to elaborate on this, I can. We both can go to 2nd Corinthians 3 any time you desire to do so.
2nd Corinthians 3:9
“For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.”I explained it to you in my last post to you...read it.
Strawman arguments is all you are good for. No one has ever said that the Lord Jesus ......"walked in worthless Jewish Traditions of the Pharisees, because he was a Jew following the "Jews religion". Yet he was born UNDER the law and lived as a Jew, in total obedience to Moses' law, so much more than even Moses could have ever lived. So, stop you childish arguments, they do not work with me.
The only person on this forum presently that I'm addressing is you, that's promote insidious lies concerning Jesus Christ, you reject his Godhead truth of being the BLESSED God forever, the ONLY God we shall ever see with our eyes. Your false humility is seen by the God of heaven and his true people. It does not work on us.
Jesus as a man born in the likeness of sinful flesh, walked in God's commandments perfectly in thoughts, words and deeds from conception to his death on the cross ~ Agreed.
Such false humility! I do not fit into Romans one, and not sure who does on this forum, but will leave that with God to determine.
Question for you: how do you know how I would dishonor by body? By eating pork? I certainly do not lust after men, Besides, think a woman's body that is well favored is one of God's great creation provide for men, even at my age. So, not sure what you are trying to say by quoting Romans one for me.
Studyman, you have quoted this verse several times over the length of time I have known you, yet you still do not fully understand what John is meaning. He is not speaking of the false religions of this world (which Revelation 17 first few verse ARE) which are truly easy to come of, but in Revelation 18:4 John has reference to THIS WORLD'S SYSYTEM under the power of the beast, or the spirit of antichrist, the devil himself. The call here is the same as 1st John 2:14-16 by the same apostle. Learn your bible before speaking, which I do not expect you to change very much.
Eternally-Grateful
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lol, yeah that can be bad.. Or we drive to see a green light, and have joy when we find it. But in reality it is red.. but we see greenWhat's real bad is when your driving and see a greenlight that's not there.
Jeff
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A couple of decades ago People use to have bummer stickers saying "God is my co-pilot". I would think if God is Your Co-Pilot, You Should Switch Seats..
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synergy
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Paul writes that there is One Faith.
(Eph 4:5) One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism,
It's back to the drawing board for all those who wish to override what Paul clearly writes.
Jeff
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Remember this one? Words-adapted from the bible, book of Ecclesiastes
A Song composed by Pete Seeger, lyrics based on the third chapter of the biblical Book of Ecclesiastes
"Turn! Turn! Turn!", also known as or subtitled "To Everything There Is a Season", is a song written by Pete Seeger in 1959. The lyrics – except for the title, which is repeated throughout the song, and the final two lines – consist of the first eight verses of the third chapter of the biblical Book of Ecclesiastes. The song was originally released in 1962 as "To Everything There Is a Season" on the folk group the Limeliters' album Folk Matinee, and then some months later on Seeger's own The Bitter and the Sweet.
A Song composed by Pete Seeger, lyrics based on the third chapter of the biblical Book of Ecclesiastes
"Turn! Turn! Turn!", also known as or subtitled "To Everything There Is a Season", is a song written by Pete Seeger in 1959. The lyrics – except for the title, which is repeated throughout the song, and the final two lines – consist of the first eight verses of the third chapter of the biblical Book of Ecclesiastes. The song was originally released in 1962 as "To Everything There Is a Season" on the folk group the Limeliters' album Folk Matinee, and then some months later on Seeger's own The Bitter and the Sweet.
synergy
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Yes, but you must actively confess and believe our Lord Jesus. It is not a passive event. confess and believe are active verbs, not passive verbs.
Rom 10:9 Because if you confess the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved.
Focus on the verses that actually talk about salvations and justification. Why do you wander off to verses that do not? It's obvious why.
Are you still talking about James 2:18? Salvation is not mentioned there. Let's go back to verse 14 where salvation is being referred to:
(James 2:14) My brothers, what profit is it if a man says he has faith and does not have works? Can faith save him?
Can The Faith that saves save him? No. Why? Because it's dead D E A D. Why is it dead? Because it has no good works.
Aaron
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Way before my time. My Dad must have heard it as he is from that time period. I'll ask him.
Dizerner
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Calvinists and Free Gracers make the same fundamental logical mistake, this is why they both accuse each other of back loading works. They insist that if action X produces result Y that necessarily means it was merited. This is a non sequitur. There is such a thing as a non meritorious work, an action that produces a result without earning it, such as receiving a gift. Now despite arguing this, Free Grace believes in real Free Will and so allows a "one little bitty mini-work" of free will acceptance of the Gospel message (unless you are a Calvinist Free Gracer of course, usually called Sovereign Grace to distinguish). And if the Free Gracer allows it for their one initial fire and forget, one and done, mini-work, then they are being self-contradictory to their own position, because a free will acceptance contradicts their inserted assumption, their presupposition, that contingent actions are necessarily being done as an attempt to merit. They've done gone and earned their salvation with the "work" of accepting Christ through free will!
So the Calvinist responds (generally), "What makes you different than the person who chose not to accept Christ? Are you smarter, wiser and holier than your fellow man? Then you are boasting in your works, what you've chosen." That free will decision is something you DO, it's an act of the WILL, it's an action. By the exact same logic being used, this must necessarily be a work added to the merit of Christ, no matter how small, and it is dependent upon what the person does (acceptance). And indeed, if you've spent any time with hardcore Calvinists, you will find them arguing this exact same logic with Free Gracers, that the Free Gracers try to use against them, in a strange twist of ironic fate, since they are both making the same logical error—that an action resulting in a response necessarily has to be an attempt at meriting it.
You can try to say "but faith is not a work," to get out of the fact that faith is a decision we actually do, a choice we make, however you are special pleading, and using something that fits the exact same definition of others things you critique as "works." In actual fact Paul means "Works of the Law" specifically when he speaks of not being saved by works, not just all works in general no matter what the word works means. "Works" means "miracles" too, and Paul does not mean we are not saved by miracles, so there is equivocation about the word "works." One could just as well rebut "sanctification isn't a work, either," if it is a non-meritorious condition to receiving an undeserved gift. If someone tells me "clap your hands and I'll give you a million dollars," that does not logically force that I actually earned the million with clapping, there has to be an attempt at contributing equal value. Receiving the gift does not earn the gift, yet something must be done—reach out, grab it, unwrap it, use it—if you define all that as "works salvation," then logically you MUST eliminate ALL free will altogether as that will be the only PURE form of grace, eliminating ALL works (under that false definition), and having God actually and truly "do it all."
And so we see that we can have Jesus merit our salvation for us and still put requirements on us for receiving it, without running into any contradiction or logical dilemma, as this is a conditional payment, a payment fully made, undeserved, yet still with conditions added (even if just a basic "yes" to Jesus' free gift at a minimum). Otherwise Free Gracers are self-contradicting when they accuse others of works salvation while allowing their own free will decision to be the effective agent in procuring Christ's salvation. As a Calvinist you can just eliminate Free Will altogether to try to fix that problem, but intuitively we know we make actual choices to believe on Jesus and they are not forced on us by God.
So the Calvinist responds (generally), "What makes you different than the person who chose not to accept Christ? Are you smarter, wiser and holier than your fellow man? Then you are boasting in your works, what you've chosen." That free will decision is something you DO, it's an act of the WILL, it's an action. By the exact same logic being used, this must necessarily be a work added to the merit of Christ, no matter how small, and it is dependent upon what the person does (acceptance). And indeed, if you've spent any time with hardcore Calvinists, you will find them arguing this exact same logic with Free Gracers, that the Free Gracers try to use against them, in a strange twist of ironic fate, since they are both making the same logical error—that an action resulting in a response necessarily has to be an attempt at meriting it.
You can try to say "but faith is not a work," to get out of the fact that faith is a decision we actually do, a choice we make, however you are special pleading, and using something that fits the exact same definition of others things you critique as "works." In actual fact Paul means "Works of the Law" specifically when he speaks of not being saved by works, not just all works in general no matter what the word works means. "Works" means "miracles" too, and Paul does not mean we are not saved by miracles, so there is equivocation about the word "works." One could just as well rebut "sanctification isn't a work, either," if it is a non-meritorious condition to receiving an undeserved gift. If someone tells me "clap your hands and I'll give you a million dollars," that does not logically force that I actually earned the million with clapping, there has to be an attempt at contributing equal value. Receiving the gift does not earn the gift, yet something must be done—reach out, grab it, unwrap it, use it—if you define all that as "works salvation," then logically you MUST eliminate ALL free will altogether as that will be the only PURE form of grace, eliminating ALL works (under that false definition), and having God actually and truly "do it all."
And so we see that we can have Jesus merit our salvation for us and still put requirements on us for receiving it, without running into any contradiction or logical dilemma, as this is a conditional payment, a payment fully made, undeserved, yet still with conditions added (even if just a basic "yes" to Jesus' free gift at a minimum). Otherwise Free Gracers are self-contradicting when they accuse others of works salvation while allowing their own free will decision to be the effective agent in procuring Christ's salvation. As a Calvinist you can just eliminate Free Will altogether to try to fix that problem, but intuitively we know we make actual choices to believe on Jesus and they are not forced on us by God.
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