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Agreed.
GodsGrace
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God never predestined PEOPLE to be saved.
This would be an unjust God...to just pick and choose like at a bingo game.
This is NOT the God of the bible.
He does NOT represent Jesus, who is the ultimate revelation of God.
God let us KNOW HOW to be saved.
So we could have an opportunity to spend eternity with Him, if we so choose.
What He predestined is HOW we will be saved.
IN HIM....IN Jesus...that is the method of our salvation.
God predestined us for Purpose...
For example, He predestined the Hebrews from whom He would reveal Himself.
They are His elect, in that sense.
And we are His elect if we CHOOSE to be saved.
It is always for HOW or for PURPOSE.
God predestined us to be CONFORMED TO HIS IMAGE...
as you have stated above.
Here's the verse in question again:
Romans 8:29
“For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.”Yes sir.
What is predestined is the conformity to the image of His Son.
Tothalordbeallglory
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No that is not what i meant my dear friend . you misunderstood me .
GOD predestined this , that for MEN to be saved THEY MUST BELIEVE IN JESUS THE CHRIST .
For it pleased GOD by the preaching to save those WHO DO BELIEVE .
i dont heed calvin . but thanks for telling me this so i could explain .
I like that . You actually thought i was in error and I THANK you for letting me know .
But like you , I DO BELIEVE .
@Studyman
You better believe I will, but it will be later in the afternoon after some meetings. Honestly, your post is the most confusing post one will ever read on Christian forums. You sir, are one of the most confused individual that I have ever met, and I mean ever.
GodsGrace
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Yes. I don't wish to discuss the word FOREKNOW.
We all know what it means to foreknow something.
We KNOW Beforehand....we foreknow.
But I'm speaking to your verse:
Romans 8:29
“For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.”You're bringing up verses that have nothing to do with my question.
You do this.
Could you read YOUR verse again and just tell me WHAT in your opinion...
is being predestinated. Here it is again:
Romans 8:29
“For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.”God foreknew someone.
WHAT did He predestinate them for?
Thanks for posting another verse that supports the God of the bible.
Ephesians 1:5 your verse
"Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,
God predestinated US.
WHAT did He predestinate us for?
WHAT is for the good pleasure of His will?
Listen....
God FOREKNEW "The persons" you mention just above.
Listen...
Foreknow does not mean to predestinate.
It means to know beforehand.
So the "The persons" mentioned...God KNEW Beforehand.
But WHAT did God predestinate?
GodsGrace
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Tothalordbeallglory
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So lovely this is my friend .
Again i want to thank you before all . Even though you had misunderstood me
YOUR love for my well being had you to WARN ME . THANK YOU .
i am so wore out with this generation who seems to believe that to correct is somehow evil , judgmental
and bad . THANK You again my friend . I too often warn , often rebuke
will darn sure expose any wolf , any false doctrine . So beleive me when i say
also that interfaith is of antichrist and shall lead all to ANTI CHRIST .
IF WE LOVE we warn . IF we love we correct . its not hate to correct sin either . Thanks again my friend .
Tothalordbeallglory
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You can easily prove this point
by also later quoating paul
who wrote and said FOR IT PLEASED GOD by the preaching to SAVE THOSE WHO BELEIVE .
GodsGrace
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Why are you explaining what grace is to me?
What I said is that There Is No Such Doctrine As Grace in the bible.
No denomination calls something the doctrine of grace except for the reformed/calvinist.
Here is what your friends over at QotQuestions? has to say on the matter:
The phrase “doctrines of grace” is used as a replacement for the term “Calvinism,” in order to remove the attention from John Calvin and instead focus on how the specific points are biblically and theologically sound.
The phrase “doctrines of grace” describes the soteriological doctrines that are unique to Reformed theology, which is Calvinistic.
These doctrines are summarized with the acronym TULIP. The T in TULIP stands for Total Depravity, U for Unconditional Election, L for Limited Atonement, I for Irresistible Grace, and P for Perseverance of the Saints.
source: https://www.gotquestions.org/doctrines-of-grace.html
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Tothalordbeallglory
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Hope you dont mind me saying this , but My advice to all is they heed not calvin
rather let us learn the bible for ourselves . Folks might not realize this
but john calvin was every bit as dangerous as the very popes he tried to expose .
That might seem hard to understand but he was .
Just cause one can come out of a bad place , dont mean the evil came out of them .
I SEEN this far too often and too much .
LOOK at joseph smith . EVEN he had certain truths about the decayed churches and docrtrines
BUT LOOK AT WHAT HE DID , HE LED HIS own into even deeper blasphemies .
JUST cause a man can expose some evil , Dont mean he aint still in evil himself .
ITS called LET GOD be true but every man a liar . WE have to learn and we must always TEST what any man says .
NO matter how long he been in the ministiry , no longer if even he has told the truth for years
STILL he must always be tested when he do speak . MEN are not infallible
BUT GOD IS , HIS WORDS ARE , We can surely TRUST IN HIM , IN HIS CHRIST , IN HIS WORDS .
civic
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Hmmmm
Maybe their conformity to Christ, being like Him, obeying Him bearing good fruit.
So the question is those who claim to be predestined are you obeying Jesus and bearing fruit .
GodsGrace
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Tothalordbeallglory
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Well lets see .
The fruit of the SPIRIT is in all Goodness , righteousness and TRUTH
proving what is acceptable to GOD . not to man and the ever changing views of man . BUT TO GOD .
Lets see what the fruit of the wicked is
the fruit of the wicked IS to sin . YE SHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS
how many LOVE TRUTH
how many love their sin and thus do anything to twist and omit TRUTH to fit their own lustful desires .
I am terrified that many now do the latter . so few actually show good fruit and that they even are of
and have THE SPIRIT . its not looking good at all . But we must march on
and by THE power of GOD do all to POINT to CHRIST , to correct any and all sin and error
and to POINT ONLY , ONLY TO JESUS THE CHRIST with the dire reminder YE MUST BELEIVE
and to beware lest that come upon one that is written in the prophets
BEHOLD WONDER and PERISH for i work a work in your days that you will in no way BELIEVE
though a man declare it unto you . take heed that said PERISH for ye will NOT BELIEVE .
Doug Brents
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Yes, it did. Everyone of "national Israel" who does not believe in Jesus is cut off from Israel. And everyone not of "national Israel" who does believe in Jesus is grafted into Israel (Rom 11).
Precisely, THROUGH FAITH. If you don't have faith then you don't receive salvation. And faith is something you bring to the table. It is not given to you by God. Yes, you do have a part to play in your salvation: you must receive His gift in the way He says you must receive it.
I have never said anything about keeping the Law, or being under the Law.
"In Context", they are "days, months, times, and years" promoted by men "who serve gods that are not gods". The devil is a god, that is not god, in my understanding
So what does it matter if a Pagan Priest, who serves the devil, promotes a polluted sabbath and traditions of men, or a Pharisee, whose serves the devil, promotes a polluted sabbath and traditions of men?
Don't you believe in the Jesus "of the Bible" regarding the god that the Pharisees, who were bewitching the Galatians, served?
I can assure you Paul did, and so do I.
These religious businesses, just like the religious sect "many" have adopted and are promoting, are part of this world's religious system. "many" live by Calvin's teaching, others live by Whites teaching, others live by Wesley's teaching, others live by Russel's teaching, still others live by Armstrong's teaching. They all are part of the same religious system competing against one another for contributing members, in my understanding.
I don't adopt, listen to or promote their religious philosophies. And you cannot find one word in any of my posts where I do.
I don't partake in their Judgments, high days, business practices or traditions. I am simply pointing out what Paul is actually teaching. And he doesn't teach that the Feasts of the Lord, including God's Sabbaths, and Godless Pagan rituals are no different one from another.
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I don't believe that God's Laws are "Worthless Jewish Traditions" no different than the traditions of Godless Pagans. "many" have preached for years what I believe are falsehoods, that God's Laws that Jesus and Paul and all the Faithful examples written in the entire bible, walked in , are a "Yoke of bondage", "traditions of men" and "Rudiments of this world". So it is no wonder that men would preach to others that Paul is rebuking Peter for obeying God's Laws in Gal. 1. Of course that is not true, in my view. But Jesus said that "many" will not be persuaded, as I have shown. And He said such offences will be prominent in the world God placed us in. So I am not surprised by such wickedness.
I only reply to certain teachings, so that others may fear, and "Beware" of the Philosophies of this world, and the Traditions of men that "many" live by and promote to others.
No, I post God's Words and invite others to examine them with me, seeking God's Truth through them. Some are here to promote Calvinism, which is a Salvation by "holy Lottery" philosophy, in my understanding.
Paul teaches that God judges men by their Deeds.
2 Cor. 5: 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
It is true that the gospel "many" preach, is not the Gospel Paul teaches.
"Many" are preaching falsehoods about God and His Word as Jesus prophesied. If the Christ "of the Bible" were in these men, you wouldn't be preaching such blasphemies about His Father, or His Father's Righteousness that some have openly judged on this forum as no different than the rituals of Godless Pagans.
I didn't hint at anything. There are men preaching that God treated men born with Jewish DNA, differently than God treated men with Non-Jewish DNA, the same as the Pharisees promoted. It is the whole premise of many men's rejection of God's Laws in the Law and Prophets, that they were not written for us, upon whom the ends of the world has come, but were only given to men of a certain DNA at a certain time. But when I post what God actually says, what HIS Laws actually say, this popular religious philosophy being promoted is exposed as a falsehood, another false gospel, in my understanding of Scriptures.
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You are using a lot of put downs. Try to make your point without them. That goes for all of us on BAM.
GodsGrace
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Why must you be so insulting?
Maybe YOU need a nap RB...
Maybe you could wake up refreshed and QUIT insulting persons on this Forum.
I'm fully awake.
GodsGrace
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Selah,
God already knew WHO would be saved.
But He did predestine something.
WHAT (not WHO) do you read that is predestined in the verse?
Romans 8:29
“For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.”The answer is right there in the middle of the sentence.
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