Excellent Discussion on OSAS

@MTMattie

Nora, that's a very statement ~ not to mention unscriptural.

First, you and I had a perfect choice IN ADAM by being in him as his posterity ~ Adam being the head and representative of his people that came from him.
You "had a perfect choice IN ADAM by being in him as his posterity"? How can one's posterity 1000's of years later have a choice in what happens in the present? Your imagination is flaring again.
Secondly, If God did not elect us according to the good pleasure of his will, then none would, or could have came by their own depraved nature that is at enmity against the God of heaven and earth.

1st Peter 1:2​

“Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.”
Peter is talking to the Jewish Diaspora who wonderfully accomplished their election task of spreading the Gospel. Were you one of them?
What did God foresee? He saw that NONE would, or could come unto Him, apart from his mighty power, which power is the same power that resurrected Christ from the dead.

Ephesians 1:19,20​

“And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,”
"Who believe". Not who are elected for tasks.
 
@GodsGrace

Ephesians 1:3-5​

“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,”

Deuteronomy 7:6​

“For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.”

So, the answer is: "according to the good pleasure of his will,”.
and it's God's will is that all be saved. Your presuppositions make you a Universalist.

(2 Tim 2:3-4) This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
 
Sorry bro, the law of Moses contains 613 commandments.

If you believe you must keep them then I would suggest you sharpen your knives and move to Israel.
Read my "whole" post and comment on what I said, not on what you want to hear, thank you. I said:
The law of Moses as contained and summed up in the Ten Commandments, and the Law of Christ as found in Galatians.

Galatians 6:2​

“Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.”

The Law of Christ, and the law of God are one and the same, since the Godhead are one, not three separated Gods. Jesus was God manifest in the likeness of sinful flesh. As a man, Jesus lived in total obedience in thoughts, words, and deeds to the law of God, from conception, to his death on the cross ~ it was his greatest delight/love. So, the law of Christ, is no other than the law of God, the most holy, spiritual, and good laws, that could be given, ever. The term law of Christ, simply means the law he lived by, which example we are to follow. 1st Peter 2:21

Galatians 6:2​

Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.”

Jesus lived out the law of God perfectly by LOVE for God and others which all the law can be summed up in loving God and our neighbors as our own selves.
In Galatians 6:2 where the law of Christ is mentioned, Jesus explains what true love for others does...or what are good works that proves our faith.

Galatians 6:2 Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.​

Love is not all fuzzy, happy, and warm feelings; it is work to help another finish his race. It is not participating in one another’s pleasures as much as helping take away pain. Rather than riding along on a balloon flight, it is carrying them to the finish line.

It is very easy for lazy, proud, or selfish professors to ignore the burdens of others. It is a natural instinct for them to say, “ I don’t want to get involved in others’ business.” It is a natural instinct for them to say, “He got himself into it; he can get himself out.” It is a natural instinct for them to say, “I have enough of my own problems to deal with.”

We are bound as true followers of God to bear others’ burdens on a brother-to-brother basis. We must be committed to love other believers and bear their burdens.

In the military, they say, “I got your back,” meaning they will protect one another.

The law of Jesus Christ is simple – we love and serve one another (5:13-14; John 13:34). It is living as he lived to the Law of his God, as a man. 1st Peter 2:21, etc.

The law of Jesus Christ does not include any of the ceremonial trappings of Moses under the NT. The Lord Jesus Christ emphasized this important grace of the Spirit from the beginning.

How do you bear burdens? By helping support any weight that presses another brother down. We bear burdens in converting wayward brothers back to the truth (6:1; James 5:19-20). We bear burdens for the weak in spirit, body, or liberty (Ist Thess 5:14; Rom 14:13-21). We bear burdens by praying one for another (James 5:16; Ephesians 6:18). We bear burdens by suffering with those who suffer (Romans 12:15; Ist Cor 12:26; Hebrews 13:3). We bear burdens by doing all we can to support money wise one another (Rom 15:1-7) when needed without grudging. We bear burdens by comforting and encouraging the cast down (Ist Thess 4:18). etc., etc.

Much of what you said in your post we would agreed with as far as the two covenants goes.
All of those commandments can be sum up under two as far as man's moral duty. Love to God, and love to our neighbour.
 
And it's not just about "what shall we eat, what shall we drink". This world's religious system rejects God's Sabbaths, and creates their own, they reject God's judgments, and create their own. They reject the "Feasts of the Lord", and create their own high days. These are simply undeniable truths in the the garden God placed me in.

Are you a SDA believer?

At least then I will understand you.
 
God's gospel of grace gives me eternal life, and I'll never lose it. Like Jesus tells us, "It is finished". Jesus took away my sins, and the Holy Spirt has fallen on me. I'm talking about change, I'm a new creation, old things have passed away behold all thing in my life are new. I'm the righteousness of God in Jesus Christ. Jesus is my righteousness, and He is in heaven with it.

Gospel truth will set you free. All my sins are taken away in Christ.
 
@Studyman
No Red, I didn't leave out Genesis.
Sure you left Genesis 9:6 alone, never once brought it up.

Genesis 9:3​

Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.”

And I clearly see why, and so should every other person who is a true lover of God's word and can see through false humility of modern day Pharisees, who exalt their man made commandments above the clear written testimony of God's word.
Therefore I can see that satan did the exact same thing to Eve, that you are doing to me
Studyman, I'm not doing anything to you, you are good at exposing your own inconsistencies, when you reject such clear scriptures as Genesis 9:3, and others from the NT that we have already covered. You make my job easy.
The devil through the serpent was laying the ground work in order to deceive Eve, which he had no problem in doing so.
And what do I find if I adopt your religious tradition of surfing the Scriptures to find a verse to justify the lusts of your flesh?
Surfing the scriptures? It is right there in plain view (Genesis 9:3) before the law of Moses was ever given to Israel with its dietary laws, which such laws ended at the death of Christ and his resurrection to the throne of David, where and when the religion of Jesus Christ replaced the Jews' rellgion that had deteriorated into a bunch of man made teachings such as you and others desire to still to be include in Christ's kingdom. You said:

"to justify the lusts of your flesh
?"~ Studyman, there are many animals that I would not eat, yet would allow the liberty to anyone to do so, if they desire to eat whatever they desire to eat.

Gen. 2: 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of "every tree" of the garden thou mayest "freely eat":

Well there you go Red, the serpent simply followed God's Word just as you did, and just as you are now promoting to me and others.
Wrong, so wrong, as usual. God forbid them to eat of the tree in the midst of the garden, the tree of good and evil. Besides, the devil add his deception to Eve deceiving her that that tree would make her wise, and that God knew that, and that's why he forbid them to eat of the tree in the midst of the garden, that was the avenue of his deception to her and it works. Adam sinned with his eyes open. The serpent through Satan, added to God's word, much like you are doing with your man made commandments. If you truly want to be righteous, then you must not eat this, wear this, go not there, drink not, smoke not, etc., etc. All which are to perish with the using.
I saw that it was good and it would help fulfilled my hunger, nothing more.
And it's not just about "what shall we eat, what shall we drink". This world's religious system rejects God's Sabbaths, and creates their own, they reject God's judgments, and create their own. They reject the "Feasts of the Lord", and create their own high days. These are simply undeniable truths in the the garden God placed me in.
This world is not the garden of Eden, this world is full if devils bringing their corrupt teachings with them which we as God's children must stand up and resist steadfast in the faith. Enough said.

1st Timothy 4:1​

“Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;”
 
Are you a SDA believer?

At least then I will understand you.
There is nothing to understand, only to see and believe or to see and not believe. What I said is undeniable truth.

It is this world's tradition that if man wants to know God, they shop through the smorgasbord of religious sects and businesses of this world, of which there are literally thousands, until they pick one that suits them, or maybe just continue in the religious sect their fathers adopted, and presto, we are on the Path to eternal life. The Bible doesn't teach this tradition at all.

No, I have not adopted, nor do I believe in the Philosophies of the Catholic religion, the Baptist religion, the SDA religion, the JW religion, the Methodist religion, the Mormon religion, the Pharisees religion, the Sadducees religion, the Muslim religion, or any of a host of this world's religious system made up of hundreds, maybe thousands of religious 501c3's who "profess to know God, while they squabble and compete with each other for contributing members, without which their religious sect could not survive.

I haven't asked you to understand me, I have promoted that we study what is actually written yourself, as opposed to just blindly following the traditions and philosophies of the "other voices" in the garden God placed you in.

It seems simple enough to understand. Why then is such a concept so difficult to understand? I believe it is because we both have been taught since our youth, to pick a religious voice, other than the Bible, and let them tell us what God says. The Bible warns of this very thing from start to finish. Shall we not take God seriously, and believe He warns us for a reason??
 
This world is not the garden of Eden, this world is full if devils bringing their corrupt teachings with them which we as God's children must stand up and resist steadfast in the faith. Enough said.

LOL, the Garden didn't have a devil with corrupt teaching? Eve wasn't expected to stand up and resist the voice of satan in the world God placed her in??

2 Cor. 11: 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

I used to think that maybe you were just deceived. But now I know you are full aware of your deception, and are on a mission.

So long Red Bakker.
 
@MTMattie

Nora, that's a very statement ~ not to mention unscriptural.

First, you and I had a perfect choice IN ADAM by being in him as his posterity ~ Adam being the head and representative of his people that came from him.

Secondly, If God did not elect us according to the good pleasure of his will, then none would, or could have came by their own depraved nature that is at enmity against the God of heaven and earth.

1st Peter 1:2​

“Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.”

What did God foresee? He saw that NONE would, or could come unto Him, apart from his mighty power, which power is the same power that resurrected Christ from the dead.

Ephesians 1:19,20​

“And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,”
That was a tongue in cheek reply to post 1410. At the 3rd paragraph from the bottom.

armylngst said:
All I will say about the rest is, if you fear, you need to find God.

We have no choice beyond what God enables.

But RED... what kind of a statement was it?
Nora, that's a very statement

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@GodsGrace

Ephesians 1:3-5​

“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,”

Deuteronomy 7:6​

“For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.”

So, the answer is: "according to the good pleasure of his will,”.
Where does it state that God chose us according to the good pleasure of His will?

I haven't seen one verse yet that states this.
Let's look at the ones YOU have posted above:

Ephesians 1:3-5
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,
God takes us to high places, blessed, in Jesus Christ.
4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love
God chose us IN HIM, before the foundation of the world.

So that we could be holy and blameless before God through Jesus.
It states HOW we were chosen...IN HIM....IN JESUS.
The predestination is always as to HOW we are saved or WHY we are saved.
NEVER does the NT state that a particular person is saved.

Why?

Because God does not have favorites.
Acts 10:34
34 Opening his mouth, Peter said: "I most certainly * understand now that God is not one to show partiality,
Romans 2:11
11 For there is no partiality with God.

5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,
We are predestined to ADOPTION AS SONS through Jesus.

THIS is the kind intention of His will...that we be saved through Jesus, as is stated in Genesis 3:15
as is taught in
John 3:16
16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

WHOEVER believes in Him will not perish.


6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved.
Again,,,,we are bestowed God's grace through His Son.
Just as we are chosen to be IN HIM.


7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace
Again,,,IN HIM we have redemption...according to the riches of God's grace.

It is always IN HIM.


8 which He lavished on us. In all wisdom and insight
9 He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him.
And notice RB...

God has MADE KNOWN the mystery of His will.
In Calvinism God's will is a big mystery.


The NT does NOT teach that God chose who will be saved....
but only
HOW or
PURPOSE.
 
LOL, the Garden didn't have a devil with corrupt teaching? Eve wasn't expected to stand up and resist the voice of satan in the world God placed her in??

2 Cor. 11: 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

I used to think that maybe you were just deceived. But now I know you are full aware of your deception, and are on a mission.

So long Red Bakker.
Calvinists ARE on a mission.
 
@JLB
Do you believe born again Christians are obligated to obey the law of Moses?
Obligated, or, do we delight in the law of God through our new man within us that is created after the image of Jesus Christ? That answer would be absolutely. .

1st Timothy 1:7
“Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. (@Studyman) But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;”

Romans 7:12-14​

“Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.”

Romans 7:22​

“For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:”
Show me from the law of Moses where we can pick and choose parts of the law to obey or not.
It should be clear which commandments where only until Christ, and only for Israel. We DO NOT obey in order to be justified legally before God. There are no commandments blinding on us in order to enter into life ~ reason being, Christ alone secured eternal life for each and every child of God. But, we as you, but what rule of law is higher than the law of God contained in the Ten Commandments to be used as a rule to live by than God's holy, good and spiritual laws contained therein? There are none. Even as a rule to live by, they show us just how sinful and depraved we are by nature in our flesh, where dwells no good thing, no, not one.

Romans 7:23-25​

“But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.”

All of God's children said Amen, and Amen, this is so!
 
@MTMattie
But RED... what kind of a statement was it?
Nora, that's a very statement
Sorry Nora, should have double check my post . I meant to say that's a very unwise statement. That's what happens when one types too fast and does not double check his post.
 
@synergy
You "had a perfect choice IN ADAM by being in him as his posterity"? How can one's posterity 1000's of years later have a choice in what happens in the present? Your imagination is flaring again.
Really, then how do you beleive in Christ's redemption serves us in our day? Your scriptural understanding is seriously lacking.

Romans 5:12
“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:” In Adam! If I need to, I can come back and go into this scripture in depth.

1st Corinthians 15:22​

“For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.”
Peter is talking to the Jewish Diaspora who wonderfully accomplished their election task of spreading the Gospel. Were you one of them?
Let us see exactly what Peter was saying, not even close to what you desire others to believe because of your hatred for the doctrine of free grace through Jesus Christ's redemption work for God's elect.

1st Peter 1:2,3​

“Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,"

Let me ask you this question: How does these two scriptures support your false statement, wherein you said: "who wonderfully accomplished their election task of
spreading the Gospel" That phrase of yours is not even in the context of 1st Peter 1:2,3....you are adding it to the scriptures, hoping others would not consider what you are saying in order to continue holding on to a gospel that is not taught in the word of God, but from the hearts of men who reject God's free Grace over their works.
"Who believe". Not who are elected for tasks.
What in the world are you talking about asking a question like that from what I said:
What did God foresee? He saw that NONE would, or could come unto Him, apart from his mighty power, which power is the same power that resurrected Christ from the dead.

Ephesians 1:19,20​

“And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,”
Pitiful indeed! Those who believe are those that God show forth his mighty power to by resurrecting them from being dead in trespasses and sin, to life in Jesus Christ. When folks are on their heels backing up, then we get such unscriptural responses such as yours.
 
@synergy
and it's God's will is that all be saved. Your presuppositions make you a Universalist.

(2 Tim 2:3-4) This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
Not even close, unless one gives a proper sense concerning 1st Timothy 2:3,4 which you have no clue as to what Paul meant by his words that he has written for our consideration.

I do believe that the gospel is no longer confined to the Jewish nation as it was before Christ, it is now to all the world, Jews and Gentiles and that all types of folks. So, in this sense, maybe I'm an Universalist, but only in this sense.

We agree with John Gill who wrote, read and learn:
The salvation which God wills that all men should enjoy, is not a mere possibility of salvation, or a mere putting them into a salvable state; or an offer of salvation to them; or a proposal of sufficient means of it to all in his word; but a real, certain, and actual salvation, which he has determined they shall have; and is sure from his own appointment, from the provision of Christ as a Saviour for them, from the covenant of grace, in which everything is secured necessary for it, and from the mission of Christ to effect it, and from its being effected by him: wherefore the will of God, that all men should be saved, is not a conditional will, or what depends on the will of man, or on anything to be performed by him, for then none might be saved; and if any should, it would be of him that willeth, contrary to the express words of Scripture; but it is an absolute and unconditional will respecting their salvation, and which infallibly secures it: nor is it such a will as is distinguishable into antecedent and consequent; with the former of which it is said, God wills the salvation of all men, as they are his creatures, and the work of his hands; and with the latter he wills, or not wills it, according to their future conduct and behaviour; but the will of God concerning man's salvation is entirely one, invariable, unalterable, and unchangeable: nor is it merely his will of approbation or complacency, which expresses only what would be grateful and well pleasing, should it be, and which is not always fulfilled; but it is his ordaining, purposing, and determining will, which is never resisted, so as to be frustrated, but is always accomplished: the will of God, the sovereign and unfrustrable will of God, has the governing sway and influence in the salvation of men; it rises from it, and is according to it; and all who are saved God wills they should be saved; nor are any saved, but whom he wills they should be saved: hence by all men, whom God would have saved, cannot be meant every individual of mankind, since it is not his will that all men, in this large sense, should be saved, unless there are two contrary wills in God; for there are some who were before ordained by him unto condemnation, and are vessels of wrath fitted for destruction; and it is his will concerning some, that they should believe a lie, that they all might be damned; nor is it fact that all are saved, as they would be, if it was his will they should; for who hath resisted his will? but there is a world of ungodly men that will be condemned, and who will go into everlasting punishment: rather therefore all sorts of men, agreeably to the use of the phrase in 1 Timothy 2:1 are here intended, kings and peasants, rich and poor, bond and free, male and female, young and old, greater and lesser sinners; and therefore all are to be prayed for, even all sorts of men, because God will have all men, or all sorts of men, saved; and particularly the Gentiles may be designed, who are sometimes called the world, the whole world, and every creature; whom God would have saved, as well as the Jews, and therefore Heathens, and Heathen magistrates, were to be prayed for as well as Jewish ones. Moreover, the same persons God would have saved, he would have also

come to the knowledge of the truth:
 
@Studyman
So long Red Bakker.
I spell Baker with one "K" not two, I'm kin to Jim Bakker.

Eve wasn't expected to stand up and resist the voice of satan in the world God placed her in??
She was to OBEY her Creator, no different than us ~ actually she had NO sinful flesh, as we do, so, she was much better off than anyone living only in the flesh now. So, what are you saying? You make no sense.
I used to think that maybe you were just deceived. But now I know you are full aware of your deception, and are on a mission.

So long
Why not see if I have the truth, and if not, then prove it, that's why most are here anyway. Btw, you do not know my heart, so be careful, with what you said: "But now I know you are full aware of your deception, and are on a mission."

The truth is, that you cannot answer my post and I addressed every point of yours, and prove them to be wrong. I love the scriptures and seek to obey them as much as you claim you do, and I'm here to defend the doctrine of FREE GRACE through Jesus Christ securing the eternal salvation of those given to him of his Father, if that's deception in your words, then prove to me where I'm wrong, I am willing to prove to you your errors.
 
@GodsGrace
I haven't seen one verse yet that states this.
Let's look at the ones YOU have posted above:
Fran, how can you say you have not seen one verse, when you have:
Ephesians 1:5
“Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,”

Fran you have a problem with according to the good pleasure of his will? That reveals to us WHY one is chosen, then predestinated unto being adopted into the family of God. A child being adopted doesn't choose the adoptive family, by their free choice, that is done for them according to those choosing to adopt.
Why?
Because God does not have favorites.
Well, God does show favor to some and not to others. He is NOT a respecter of persons as far as respecting the wise over the unwise, rich over the poor, Jews over Gentiles, etc. yet AMONG these he does indeed show favor. He showed favor to Israel and not to other nations during the OT. So, you must put a bible sense on scriptures you chose to use. He showed favor to David, and many more throughout the OT.
5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,
We are predestined to ADOPTION AS SONS through Jesus.
It is much more than what you saying ~ God spiritual blessings to his people is strictly according to the good pleasure of his will, period. Why do you have such a hard time of saying those very words used by Paul, not by John Calvin!
THIS is the kind intention of His will...that we be saved through Jesus, as is stated in Genesis 3:15
as is taught in
That's not what Paul is saying here in Ephesians 1:5. What Paul is saying and you refused to admit and say, is that God's children have been predestinated to be adopted ACCORDING TO THE GOOD PLEASURE OF GOD'S WILL, which would exclude man totally of having any part of his salvation from sin and condemnation.
John 3:16
16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Why quote this here? Not sure. Now, I have no problem understanding John 3:16. The world in John 3;16 is ALL without DISTINCTION not all without EXCEPTION. God's love post Calvary is to Jews AND Gentiles, and among these, he has an elect people, chosen by his grace alone, according to the good pleasure of his will.
It is always IN HIM.
Of course it is, Jesus is the surety of God's elect and he did indeed secured our eternal salvation by his obedience and faith.
And notice RB...
God has MADE KNOWN the mystery of His will.
In Calvinism God's will is a big mystery.
This is not about Calvinism, or Arminianism, but truly neither of them is mystery ~ it is easy to understand both schools of thoughts. Now God will is indeed a mystery hidden from most revealed unto his people, some more, some less. But, a lot of God's mystery is revealed in Ephesians one.

Ephesians 1:19​

“And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,”

The SAME power that resurrected Christ from the dead, took to resurrect his elect from being dead in trespasses and sins. Do you you believe this mystery of the gospel?
 
There is nothing to understand, only to see and believe or to see and not believe. What I said is undeniable truth.

It is this world's tradition that if man wants to know God, they shop through the smorgasbord of religious sects and businesses of this world, of which there are literally thousands, until they pick one that suits them, or maybe just continue in the religious sect their fathers adopted, and presto, we are on the Path to eternal life. The Bible doesn't teach this tradition at all.

No, I have not adopted, nor do I believe in the Philosophies of the Catholic religion, the Baptist religion, the SDA religion, the JW religion, the Methodist religion, the Mormon religion, the Pharisees religion, the Sadducees religion, the Muslim religion, or any of a host of this world's religious system made up of hundreds, maybe thousands of religious 501c3's who "profess to know God, while they squabble and compete with each other for contributing members, without which their religious sect could not survive.

I haven't asked you to understand me, I have promoted that we study what is actually written yourself, as opposed to just blindly following the traditions and philosophies of the "other voices" in the garden God placed you in.

It seems simple enough to understand. Why then is such a concept so difficult to understand? I believe it is because we both have been taught since our youth, to pick a religious voice, other than the Bible, and let them tell us what God says. The Bible warns of this very thing from start to finish. Shall we not take God seriously, and believe He warns us for a reason??

Well, I believe in the new covenant as explained in Hebrews, some passages :

Gal 3:23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed.
Gal 3:24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,
Gal 3:26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.

Hebr 7:22 This makes Jesus the guarantor of a better covenant.
Hebr 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
 
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