So unbelievers are given the power to spiritually self attach themselves to the Spiritual Vine?
You went from talking about "self attaching" to "attached". I'm asking about your "self attaching" statement, not about anything else.
It does not take spiritual power for "nominal" Christians to self-attach themselves to the vine. It takes spiritual power to produce fruit through a spiritual and vital connection with Christ as the vine. Branches that have that spiritual and vital connection with Christ as the vine bear fruit (apart from Christ we can do nothing) and branches that do not have that spiritual and vital connection with Christ as the vine do not bear fruit. Simple. I answered your question. It's just not what you wanted to hear.So unbelievers are given the power to spiritually self attach themselves to the Spiritual Vine?
All this is not answering my question.
So anyone anywhere (Muslims, Satanists, etc...) can self attach themselves to the Spiritual Vine all the time??? That's a wild scenario.
You are really missing my point. Not Muslims or Satanists (your wild scenario) but "nominal" or pseudo-Christians are self-attached to the vine. Judas Iscariot was a prime example.
Isn't faith the requirement to "connect" to the Vine? Also, why would that which is Spiritual allow a connection to that which is anti-spiritual?
Faith is required to have a spiritual and vital connection to the vine. Nominal or pseudo Christians attach themselves to Christ and can be seen mixed together with genuine Christians in various churches but they still lack that spiritual and vital connection to bear good fruit.
The Vine parable is not about Church attendance. There is no other way to connect to the Spiritual Vine other than faith. That eliminates any idea of false believers sneeking in and vitally attaching themselves to the Spiritual Vine.
I did not say it was about church attendance in of itself but "nominal" or pseudo Christians being mixed together with genuine Christians. You just don't get it. There are two types of connections with Christ as the vine. The spiritual and vital connection that bears fruit and the non-spiritual and non-vital connection that bears no fruit. Faith without works is dead. All genuine believers are fruitful but not all are equally fruitful. (Matthew 13:23) Those who produce no fruit at all are not truly converted.
So you would say it’s the ones who say lord lord and Jesus says to them I never knew you. It’s the ones who look the part on the outside ( think Pharisees in Jesus day) but on the inside are dead, the religionist.
Oh, they hear you, believe me ~ thy are hardening their hearts to the truth taught throughout the word of God. They are so disparately trying to isolate John 15 from other scriptures, that must be considered in order to preach the whole council of God faithfully, which they truly care little about.
What I do get is that the Bible calls tares the nonbelievers that are mixed in with believers. Since when are tares given the ability to self attach themselves to the Spiritual Vine???
Again, you just don't get it.
Yes, they who thought they had done wonderful works in the name of Jesus Christ, I'm sure they truly thought that they were connected to the True Vine, yet, they deny the Lord by what they taught, for the true gospel they had no love for, but truly rejected it with hatred toward it and those who preach the pure grace of God as much as they can preach it and with the light God has been pleased to impart to them. Our Lord said this concerning the days leading up to his second coming:
My Bible labels as tares those nonbelievers that are mixed in with believers. Read up on what happens to them in the Parable of the Wheat and Tares. Does your Bible say that they get attached to the Spiritual Vine?
see my last post and let me know your thoughts.
let me know what you think about my post 533. just some food for thought.
