Excellent Discussion on OSAS

[armylngst]

Ya think lol

So, since the demons believe, does that mean they are saved? (see James)

Addition- James was basically stating that the word believe does not equate to salvation in every circumstance.

 

[civic]

Here is a good interaction Q/A on Eternal Security

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[Duane]

As long as I have an ongoing role in the salvation process, my natural tendency will be to focus on my behavior rather than on Christ. Yet we are commanded to make Christ our focus.

And set your minds and keep them set on what is above (the higher things), not on the things that are on the earth. Colossians 3:2

People who are constantly examining their spiritual condition tend to fall into the trap of legalism and works salvation.

There is a place for self–examination in the Christian life. But we are certainly not to be the focus of our lives. We are never completely free to fasten our gaze on Him until we are sure our relationship with Him is secure.

 

[brightfame52]

Condemned by who? You? Since when did you become the Pope to dictate to us all your false presuppositions?

By God. Salvation by works is condemned, they are cursed Gal 3:10

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

 

[brightfame52]

@armylngst

It is PART of the gift of God. It isn't of oneself, but it also isn't the gift, salvation is.

It is the Gift since it accompanies salvation. How is it part of the gift and not the gift at the same time. Its one of the components of the Gift

 

[civic]

By God. Salvation by works is condemned, they are cursed Gal 3:10

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Faith is not works and neither is bearing good fruit.

Next fallacy

 

[brightfame52]

It is PART of the gift of God. It isn't of oneself, but it also isn't the gift, salvation is. So how faith fits is in the air. I think it is a reaction to God's actions, and as such, it is not a work. Since it is a reaction to God's actions, it is indirectly connected to God, for without God's actions... no faith. Not the faith through which salvation comes. We receive grace, our reaction to the received grace is faith, through which the gift of salvation is received. The is, when God gifts us salvation, our reception is through/by faith, if that makes sense. Wow, there is way too much nuance there. When language fails to truly convey what I am trying to say.

It makes sense that you inconsistently end up teaching conditional works salvation.

 

[brightfame52]

Faith is not works and neither is bearing good fruit.

Next fallacy

Yes Faith is a work, and so is anything you do. Now its either Gods work in you or its your work of the flesh, but its definitely a work

 

[civic]

Yes Faith is a work, and so is anything you do. Now its either Gods work in you or its your work of the flesh, but its definitely a work

Nope

 

[brightfame52]

Nope

When Jesus told some pharisees this Jn 8:39

They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

What works was He speaking of ?

 

[synergy]

By God. Salvation by works is condemned, they are cursed Gal 3:10

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

My ancestors stopped practicing works of the Law 2000 years ago. It's time for you to stop using that 2000 years outdated strawman.

 

[civic]

My ancestors stopped practicing works of the Law 2000 years ago. It's time for you to stop using that 2000 years outdated strawman.

Hey we have the same family of ancestors

 

[Jim]

Then the Faith is the Gift of God by Grace since its included in the whole phrase. Duh Faith isnt of oneself

No, salvation is the gift. Consider that if God required that one make a personal visit to someplace on the earth in order to be saved salvation would still be a gift, but He doesn't. Basically, all that He requires is faith and obedience to that faith. As someone else has said, "How can you say you have faith in God, if you refuse to do what He says.

It always amazes me that the Calvinist doesn't even know what it means to have faith, to believe, in God and how one comes to that faith. They believe that God sticks faith into their brains in one way or another. Amazing.

 

[brightfame52]

@Jim

No, salvation is the gift.

So is spiritual Faith in salvation. Its a fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith

Now if you speaking of your own faith out of the flesh, then its an evil work !

 

[Jim]

Then the Faith is the Gift of God by Grace since its included in the whole phrase. Duh Faith isnt of oneself

Of course it is. That is the basic message of Romans 10:5-21

Rom 10:13 For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." 14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? 15 And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!" 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?" 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

Of all the messages coming from the OT, obedience is a key. And still the Calvinist says that has nothing to do with becoming saved.

 

[Jim]

@Jim



So is spiritual Faith in salvation. Its a fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith

Now if you speaking of your own faith out of the flesh, then its an evil work !

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

 

[brightfame52]

Of course it is. That is the basic message of Romans 10:5-21

Rom 10:13 For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." 14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? 15 And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!" 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?" 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

Of all the messages coming from the OT, obedience is a key. And still the Calvinist says that has nothing to do with becoming saved.

Okay, then one is saved/regenerated b4 they believe the Gospel.

 

[brightfame52]

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

Faith or Faithfulness, its the same word, its the fruit of the Spirit

 

[Jim]

Faith or Faithfulness, its the same word, its the fruit of the Spirit

Romans 3:3

(ESV) What if some were unfaithful? Does their faithlessness nullify the faithfulness of God?

(KJV) For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

Still think it is the same word? You need to check your KJV against more reliable English translations.

 

[brightfame52]

Romans 3:3

(ESV) What if some were unfaithful? Does their faithlessness nullify the faithfulness of God?

(KJV) For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

Still think it is the same word? You need to check your KJV against more reliable English translations.

No comparison. Nothing there denies that Faith is the fruit of the Spirit as Per Gal 5:22 You are denying it