Ephesians: A Fellowship of Hebrew Saints.

I'm Just pointing out there are different groups claiming to be either the lost tribes or the replacement Jews.
It doesn't matter to me.
If a person is truly born again and given the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL, then they are Abraham's seed and heirs to the promise. God promised nothing to Gentiles.

Nothing.

17 All nations before him are as nothing; And they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.
Isaiah 40:17.

That is God's attitude towards Gentiles who are not Abraham's seed.
 
Do you belong to the Hebrew roots movement?
After reading "The Hebrew Roots Movement" at "Got-questions" I most definitely disagree with their position that non-Hebrew Gentiles are the "grafted" in Romans 11. Besides this I never heard of this 'movement' until you brought them up.
The only movement I belong to is the move of the Holy Spirit of Promise upon the people Joel originally prophesied are the recipients of God's Spirit, meaning the Jews are the recipients of God's promised Spirit, the Spirit of God who was promised to Israel as spoken by Joel.

It is a fact that the 39 "books" of the Old Testament Hebrew Scriptures are now described as three parts the Hebrew people recognize and that is "The Law, The Psalms, and The Prophets."

The Law (i.e. The Pentateuch) contain the core teachings of God to the children of Israel in the desert at the time of Moses and the [earthly] Tabernacle. The 'children of Israel' are identified in these writings over and over again by God as the only recipients of His covenant made through Moses and from God to Israel (a.k.a. twelve sons/tribes of Jacob also including blessings by God and through Jacob to the two mixed heritage sons of Joseph: Ephraim and Manasseh.)

It was no surprise to God that through His scattering of this people into Gentile lands that they would 'mingle' with the "Goyim", learn their ways, and bear children with them. In fact, this was His plan and purpose. From the Conquest of Assyria of the ten northern kingdom tribes ca. 722 BC and later, the Conquest of Babylon of the kingdom of Judah (two southern kingdom tribes: Judah and Benjamin) a great number of Jews were taken captive and exiled far from their homeland (Israel) and resettled within these two conquering non-Hebrew kingdoms where they remained for approximately 29-35 generations of offspring of Jews and mixed heritage Jews (w/ Gentiles) being born in this space of time. They grew up 'Gentile' heavily influenced by Persian and Greek culture. Their number amounted to over one million souls in this predicament. In the 500s BC Cyrus, the king of Babylon, granted Nehemiah and a 'remnant' of Jews and mixed heritage Jews permission to return to their homeland (Israel.) These mixed heritage Jews only knew Babylonian (and Greek culture) as they had never been to Israel, but some went with Nehemiah, and later, Ezra, and returned.

The point I am making here is that those Jews that were 'carried away' out of Israel had died in their time and their children - some raised according to Hebrew culture (and history) and some according to "Gentile" or Greek culture - numbered in the tens of thousands that did return back to Israel in hopes of re-establishing the Hebrew way of life. This occurred slowly over time and the majority of those of Babylonian captivity and exile were the offspring of the two southern kingdom tribes of Benjamin and Judah who made up the numbers that returned with these two men. Now we have a small number of Jews and mixed heritage Jews who endured great hardship and suffering at the hand of other Gentiles that did not want to see the "Jews" returning to the land of their fathers (patriarchs) to establish a return to a Mosaic 'economy' and the rebuilding of the Hebrew way. But let's be accurate. While a "remnant" amounted to the tens of thousands of Jews who did return to Israel a majority of Jews did not which number was over one million that remained where they grew up and stayed in Gentile lands (Assyria, Babylon, and Gentile locations.) These were oblivious of the advent of God's Promised "Prophet like unto Moses" who was born in a stable who was named "Yeshua" (Jesus) born of the tribe of Judah.

Jesus at the end of His earthly mission commanded His eleven disciples/apostles to go into these lands where the majority of Jews and Jews of mixed heritage/birth lived to herald to them as the actual seed of Abraham with a message that "God/Yahweh has kept His Promise and Messiah and King of Israel had come (and gone) leaving behind His Holy Spirit of Promise so that His people would not be without a Comforter whose Presence sent from God to the children of Jacob/Israel who are the rightful heirs of the Abrahamic Promises as described in Genesis 12, 15, and 17.
 
"And God has always been a Father to the Hebrew people. How does the song go?

Father Abraham has many sons.
Many sons has Father Abraham....
I am one of them, and so are you, so let's just praise the LORD. Right arm, left arm, right foot, left foot, turn around, touch the ground . And Father Abraham had Ishmael, and he and Keturah had some kids too, he is father to many nations
Gen 17:6-7 I will make you very fruitful; I will make nations of you, and kings will come from you. I will establish my covenant as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you.
Father Abraham had many sons,
Many sons had Father Abraham,
Ishmael and Isaac, and more came too,
Keturah’s children made nations new —
So let’s just praise the Lord!
(Chat GPT, thanks for the song)
“That the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus…” — Galatians 3:1
 
I am one of them, and so are you, so let's just praise the LORD. Right arm, left arm, right foot, left foot, turn around, touch the ground . And Father Abraham had Ishmael, and he and Keturah had some kids too, he is father to many nations

Father Abraham had many sons,
Many sons had Father Abraham,
Ishmael and Isaac, and more came too,
Keturah’s children made nations new —
So let’s just praise the Lord!

(Chat GPT, thanks for the song)
“That the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus…” — Galatians 3:1
In the context of Christianity, being grafted into the fig tree refers to the metaphor used in Romans 11:17, where Gentiles are compared to wild olive branches that are grafted into the cultivated olive tree. This metaphor signifies that, despite the rejection of Israel, God's grace has allowed Gentiles to share in the blessings and promises of the covenant established with Abraham.
 
In the context of Christianity, being grafted into the fig tree refers to the metaphor used in Romans 11:17, where Gentiles are compared to wild olive branches that are grafted into the cultivated olive tree. This metaphor signifies that, despite the rejection of Israel, God's grace has allowed Gentiles to share in the blessings and promises of the covenant established with Abraham.
There needs to be consistency when interpreting the New Testament. Things that are brought out in the New Testament as doctrine for the Church must have a corresponding element in the Old Testament. In other words, the New Testament is a spiritual revelation of the things consistent with the "Letter" of Old Testament precedent. There can be no New Testament reality unless there is first Old Testament precedent. In the Old Testament the prophets identify Israel as a "great congregation" and this is true. This great congregation of people came out of Egypt at the time of Moses and the earthly Tabernacle. The very definition of the Greek (language) "church" (ekklesia) means "called out [ones]" and this ties into Israel being "calling out" of Egypt by God and also refers to God "calling out" His Son from "out of" Egypt.

15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out ["ek"] of Egypt have I called ["kaleo"] my son. Matthew 2:15. (or, "ek-kaleo"]

And here:

8 Also at the same time Solomon kept the feast seven days, and all Israel with him, a very great congregation, from the entering in of Hamath unto the river of Egypt. 2 Chronicles 7: 8.

Being consistent means to say the same thing as God. God called out the children of Israel out of Egypt; and God called out His Son from out of Egypt. Being consistent is to say in the New Testament the same thing we find in the Old Testament. If the animal sacrifice under the Law was slain to [temporarily] cover for one year the sins of the children of Israel, then this must also be the intent and purpose of the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ on His cross at Calvary, that is, Jesus died to atone forever and finally the sins of the children of Israel the same as under the Law the animal was slain and sacrificed to cover and atone - whether for one year or not - the sins of the children of Israel.
This is what we call 'substitutionary sacrifice' which from the Garden was taught by God to His people (Gen. 1:12.)
To cover Adam and Eve from the elements of the now cursed ground God slay an animal and used its hide as clothing for these two persons in the Garden and out of the Garden. And before God sent these two out of the Garden He provided covering for their exposed flesh. This also bespeaks of our covering by God as opposed to our attempts to cover ourselves. Is it God's righteous acts towards man, or man's acts towards himself?

So, it is with the whole of the New Testament which is a record of the approximately first 30 years of the 'baby' Church of "called out [ones]" (Acts 1-28) which is a record of the spiritual Church of the great congregation of Hebrew people as first identified in the Old Testament as the children of Israel.

All the New Testament is, is the Mosaic Covenant between God and Israel revealed in the obedience of Jesus who died under the Law to atone for those under the Law, that is, Israel. The animal sacrificed under the Law as instructed and commanded by God for the high priest is the same that Jesus, the lamb OF GOD sent to die a substitutionary death for the children of Israel. Saul as rabbi and Pharisee understood this.

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Galatians 4:4–5.

Nothing in the New Testament 'changed' the Old Testament. Rather, it is the New Testament record which is the fulfillment - NOT CHANGE - of the Old Testament truth. The animal sacrificed under the Law was used as instructed by God to atone yearly the sins of the children of Israel the same that Jesus died under the Law to atone for the sins of the children of Israel. Adding non-Hebrew Gentiles to Israel's atonement under the Law violates the truth found in the Old Testament. Jesus' death on His cross was used by God to atone finally and forever the sins of the children of Israel ONLY. For throughout Scripture the animal sacrificed every Yom Kippur in Israel was for the sins of the children of Israel, so, too, is Christ's death on the cross used by God to atone the sins of the children of Israel under the Law.
 
Awesome Post! Do you think God can change His mind? I'm thinking Genesis 18:26-33

He went from fifty righteous people to 10.
 
Awesome Post! Do you think God can change His mind? I'm thinking Genesis 18:26-33

He went from fifty righteous people to 10.
Irrespective of Genesis 6 where it says, "And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart" (Gen. 6:6) is not a statement that "repented" as defined as a "changed mind" describes God had "changed" His Mind. Rather, for the sake of the narrative that reveals itself in context to man's sins and the greatness of those sins that would cause a second thought in consideration of a first act, vis-a-vis, the creating or creation of man.

What God has done throughout the Scripture record is to follow a preordained plan that He contemplated in His Mind, in Himself, and the process of bringing that plan to fruition in the realm of TIME.

23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: Acts 2:23.

This "foreknowledge" of God is God's knowledge of us, His chosen people, He contemplated as 'saved' individuals in His Mind when He contemplated creating man. These 'saved' individuals were contemplated in the Mind of God and this is the form of fore-knowledge, or "before" knowledge of His chosen people that are ordained to receive life and life abundantly. The fallacy of today's textbook definition of "foreknowledge" is that God 'looked' down the halls of TIME, saw a people that would "accept" Jesus "into their hearts" and based on this God chose them to salvation. THAT is not the true understanding of God's foreknowledge. Rather, it follows that, when God contemplated a people that He ordained to receive salvation by His direct involvement towards that goal is the 'first' time God saw us when He first contemplated creation and everything He was to create. In other words, when God contemplated creation and along the creating of heaven and earth, He also contemplated a people that were holy and righteous because that is the only way God can see them for there is no sin in God, there is no death in God. This contrasts what Jesus said when He claimed, "I never knew you, depart from me you who do evil/wickedness." (Paraphrased.)

This doesn't mean God never seen or perceived those who do wickedness but that they were not contemplated the same 'way' He contemplated those who were to be saved and receive eternal life. The 'foreknowledge' of God Peter speaks of is a knowing who was deemed to have life and life abundantly. It was when God created man that His ordained people became "lost" by virtue of them being "outside" of God and placed in the realm of TIME in which His plan of RE-deeming a people is defined. They first had to be "deemed", and this occurred within Himself and in His Mind when He contemplated creation. It was when God blew into the nostrils of Adam and man became a living soul that can only be described as the "blowing into the nostrils and into the loins of man" that this saved and contemplated people were now 'outside' God and "placed' into the loins of man to be born at the appointed TIME, and at the appointed TIME born-again.

Ya falla?
 
Anyone who is baptized into Christ is grafted into the new covenant
Nowhere in the Old Testament does God call non-Hebrew Gentiles Olive tree or Olive branches. But God does call His people Israel Olive tree and branches. You are adding to the Bible something that does not exist in the Old Testament record. Those Saul mentions as being grafted BACK in are the disobedient of God's covenant people. Israel.

If there's no Old Testament precedent, then there is no New Testament reality. Saul in Romans 11 is referring to disobedient Hebrews. Not Gentiles.
 
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