civic
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So would you agree Jesus is now a man with a physical human body like ours except His is glorified flesh and immortal unlike ours which is corrupt and mortal ?
Did Jesus Shed His Humanity at the Ascension?
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sethproton
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For a atart I would have to see glorified flesh, Where is that? What version?
Rockson
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No offence Seth but I've never heard anyone so closely resemble the words of Thomas, “Unless I see the scars of the nails in his hands and put my finger on those scars and my hand in his side, I will not believe.” John 20:25
How did Jesus respond to him? “Because you have seen Me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” John 20: 29
Seth I sincerely and truly would like to see you be among the blessed ones. You can make that adjustment today. Hoping you will.
sethproton
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And I would like o see the words "glorifieflesh But I have asked u over 20 times and You have no answer
Rockson
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You don't have to believe a term glorified flesh. All you got to do is just accept that what Thomas saw was Jesus real resurrected body.
sethproton
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where was this flesh body when they opened the tomb?
Rockson
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What do you mean when they opened the tomb? The angel of God did that when he rolled away the stone.
Are you meaning when Jesus followers came to the open tomb? I don't know. We don't have to know. We do know Mary saw him very, very shortly and it was still dawn and she though he was maybe the gardener. But I don't get your point.
civic
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He was Resurrected hence His Spirit/Soul were reunited with His Body that was dead in the tomb and now brought back to life and was glorified and immortal.
civic
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Yes @sethproton does not believe Jesus is still human, a man with a real physical body. There are others who are JW's that also believe the same thing that Jesus is a spirit and no longer a man.
e v e
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I didnt know that ..
some also confuse the body Christ has with this current one, and the word man with the corrupt version we have now... ie man on this earth
e v e
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The egyptian hieroglyphs, as an enemy text to God's scroll...
do view their (type of) soul as only a spirit-being and having no body...
however, in God's scroll, the term for soul in Hebrew is npsh,
which means body and also means soul...that is the original
way He created us in Paradise, as one undivided being...
not with parts (as we are now in corrupted state),
not a chimera as such as is the situation now since the fall...
where the body and the soul are different natures...
but, once restored, we will have the Original Eden nature of paradise again,
given to us by Him, which is His type of nature...
In the Egypt pagan theology version,
the soul is tripartite (something vatican adopted.)
where, the body is matter, the soul is an oversoul mixed with that matter,
and the spirit is that same oversoul as a 'god' or daemon.
an oversoul meaning, there is no concept of an 'individual soul'...
from there came the concept of a spirit guide or muse...
where it is really but the evil-realm entity that rules a soul after the fall....
also, the egyptian type soul because it is not embodied, has no signature, is an IT.
the egypt-type soul is seen by them as to be pure (no body), never affected and has no love,
after the fall functioning as the entity ruling the soul (=the carnal mind!)
thus we see in Greek language, the neuter gender appears,
which it does not do in Hebrew.
But then, language reflects the consciousness and beliefs
of those who it belongs to..and the greeks followed the Egyptian
religion...which has an IT as its type of 'god', i.e., a daemon.
a genderless type of entity with no signature coming from God.
In Christian context, we are to be soon
again to be in the glorified body of paradise lost because of Adam,
the body Christ has!, which is one gorgeous npsh with no division...
and our mind, as opposed to the one of this body (which is fleshmind)
will be His Mind, His thoughts and thinking guiding us,
not anymore will the carnal nature be in the front seat...
The idea of spirit-beings without bodies exists,
but only has to do with the satanic entities, and their
type of nature...and which explains their jealousy
of man in eden in his original glorified body..
and why they instigated the fall and got
Adam to cooperate with them.
do view their (type of) soul as only a spirit-being and having no body...
however, in God's scroll, the term for soul in Hebrew is npsh,
which means body and also means soul...that is the original
way He created us in Paradise, as one undivided being...
not with parts (as we are now in corrupted state),
not a chimera as such as is the situation now since the fall...
where the body and the soul are different natures...
but, once restored, we will have the Original Eden nature of paradise again,
given to us by Him, which is His type of nature...
In the Egypt pagan theology version,
the soul is tripartite (something vatican adopted.)
where, the body is matter, the soul is an oversoul mixed with that matter,
and the spirit is that same oversoul as a 'god' or daemon.
an oversoul meaning, there is no concept of an 'individual soul'...
from there came the concept of a spirit guide or muse...
where it is really but the evil-realm entity that rules a soul after the fall....
also, the egyptian type soul because it is not embodied, has no signature, is an IT.
the egypt-type soul is seen by them as to be pure (no body), never affected and has no love,
after the fall functioning as the entity ruling the soul (=the carnal mind!)
thus we see in Greek language, the neuter gender appears,
which it does not do in Hebrew.
But then, language reflects the consciousness and beliefs
of those who it belongs to..and the greeks followed the Egyptian
religion...which has an IT as its type of 'god', i.e., a daemon.
a genderless type of entity with no signature coming from God.
In Christian context, we are to be soon
again to be in the glorified body of paradise lost because of Adam,
the body Christ has!, which is one gorgeous npsh with no division...
and our mind, as opposed to the one of this body (which is fleshmind)
will be His Mind, His thoughts and thinking guiding us,
not anymore will the carnal nature be in the front seat...
The idea of spirit-beings without bodies exists,
but only has to do with the satanic entities, and their
type of nature...and which explains their jealousy
of man in eden in his original glorified body..
and why they instigated the fall and got
Adam to cooperate with them.
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e v e
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it really doesn't matter where it was...
hopefully it disintegrated...
He departed this horrible fleshbody...
and was restored in His Original nature ...
which will be our type of nature soon
at the Change.
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e v e
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one can study the term npsh in hebrew...
to understand why and how it differs from fleshbody+soul
of the Greek/Egypt concept.
101G
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101G has a question to this. if the Lord Jesus is still human, then alive, and if ALIVE, and still human, then we all are dammed, and still in our sins. and here's why. Hebrews 9:16 "For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator." Hebrews 9:17 "For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth."
so, he live, but without blood. and if he's the same as before he died, then we have no NEW TESTAMENT, and are still dead in sins,,,,,, that's if he is still human, and have blood. for the LIFE of the HUMAN FLESH lay in the Blood, (Leviticus 17:11 "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul." ). so he has no blood. nor a HUMAN BODY (which that came out of Mary), and that was changed or quicken in the resurrection of himself. supportive scripture, 1 Corinthians 15:35 "But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?" 1 Corinthians 15:36 "Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:" 1 Corinthians 15:37 "And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:" 1 Corinthians 15:38 "But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body."
so that which sit in Heaven now is not natural/Human, but eternal, everlasting, spiritual, supportive scripture. 1 Corinthians 15:39 "All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds." 1 Corinthians 15:40 "There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another." 1 Corinthians 15:41 "There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory." 1 Corinthians 15:42 "So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:" 1 Corinthians 15:43 "It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:" 1 Corinthians 15:44 "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body." 1 Corinthians 15:45 "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit." 1 Corinthians 15:46 "Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual." 1 Corinthians 15:47 "The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven." 1 Corinthians 15:48 "As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly." 1 Corinthians 15:49 "And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly." 1 Corinthians 15:50 "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption." 1 Corinthians 15:51 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed," 1 Corinthians 15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." 1 Corinthians 15:53 "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality." 1 Corinthians 15:54 "So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory." 1 Corinthians 15:55 "O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?" 1 Corinthians 15:56 "The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law." 1 Corinthians 15:57 "But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 Corinthians 15:58 "Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord."
so, what's in heaven now is Spiritual/incorruptible, ETERNAL.
101G.
sethproton
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Yes. The fellow gave many opinions but almost no scripture to support. And yes he quoted many scriptures but from my pov he violated the true meanings of the verses. He is using he sme logic you used to use that soma cannot be used in describing a spiriual body
civic
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Good to see you and happy new year brother
101G
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John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."
what he had before the world was ..... was not Human flesh.
101G.
sethproton
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I agree. Jesus says with the glory He had with His Father, which was before He had a human body
sethproton
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thanks Civic
makesends
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We are the body of Christ. This dispute concerning Christ's physical body is child's prattle.
