Did Jesus Shed His Humanity at the Ascension?

sethproton said:
I agree. Jesus says with the glory He had with His Father, which was before He had a human body
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agreed, In the ECHAD of God Jesus is that "ONE" Spirit, supportive confirming scripture, 2 Corinthians 3:17 "Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." and here "Spirit is capitalized.

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makesends said:
We are the body of Christ. This dispute concerning Christ's physical body is child's prattle.
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Seems your response is typical. I ask for scriptue stating facts about His body, and you call it prattle.
Civic would disagree because he has stated that people who do not understand the resurrecton the way he does, are not saved.
 
sethproton said:
Seems your response is typical. I ask for scriptue stating facts about His body, and you call it prattle.
Civic would disagree because he has stated that people who do not understand the resurrecton the way he does, are not saved.
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I'm not referring to the resurrection, but to the making of firm final statements about things that we simply cannot understand.
 
sethproton said:
IS JESUS STILL A MAN?
Civic and I have discussed this maybe 20 times over the years but for those who have not heard my position: NO, Jesus is no longer a man.
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In what form is Messiah-our High Priest-in heaven right now? Was He a Man on earth?

Part 6: Jesus Christ the Same
by Pastor J. C. O'Hair




What meaneth this statement?

“Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and for ever.” Hebrews 13:8. Jesus Christ is mentioned, in the New Testament Scriptures, by noun and pronoun more than 6,900 times.

Let us behold Christ before His incarnation, during His incarnation, His present exaltation, and His future glory on earth.

FIRST—
BEFORE HIS INCARNATION
a—He was in the bosom of the Father. John 1:18.

b—He was in the form of God. Philippians 2:6.

c—He was with God and was God. John 1:1.

d—He was before all things and by Him all things consist. Colossians 1:15 to 18.

e—He had glory with the Father before the world was. John 17:5.

God is a Spirit. But God has a form. Christ was in. the form of God when He was in the bosom of the Father.

SECOND—
THE WORD BECAME FLESH. JOHN 1:14.
a—He took upon Himself the form of a servant. Philippians 2:6 and 7.

b—He was made in the likeness of sinful flesh. Romans 8:3.

c—He was made lower than the angels for the suffering of death. Hebrews 2:9.

d—He took on Him the Seed of Abraham. Hebrews 2:16.

e—Made like unto His brethren that He might be a merciful and faithful high priest to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. Hebrews 2:17.

f—Made flesh and blood to destroy Satan’s death power, by death. Hebrews 2:14.

g—The Son of God was manifested that He might destroy the works of the devil. I John 3:8.

h—He came down from heaven to do His Father’s will and give His flesh for the life of the world. John 6:38 and 51.

i—Christ was the brightness of God’s glory and the express image of God’s person. Hebrews 1:3.

j—Christ was the Son of David the Son of Abraham. Matthew 1:1.

k—He was the King of Israel. John 1:49.

When Christ was on earth He said, “before Abraham was I AM”. John 8:58. “Father, Thou lovedst Me before the foundation of the world” John 17:24.

“He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father.” John 14:9. “I and My Father are one.” John 10:30.

We have noted the Scriptures stating that Christ was made flesh to die on the cross. Hebrews 2:9. Note His own words “The Son of man goeth as it is written of Him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! It had been good for that man if he had not been born.” Matthew 26:24.

But in Luke 1:29 to 33 and 1:67 to 77 we learn that Christ was born in the city of David, in the house of David, of the Seed of David, to occupy the throne of David, to reign over the house of Jacob forever. So Jesus Christ was born to go to the cross of Calvary and to go to the throne of David. “Where is He that is born Sing of the Jews?” Matthew 2:2.

Now read these several statements:

“When the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth His Son, made of a woman, made under the law.” Galatians 4:4.

“Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by Him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know.” Acts 2:22.

“He answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” Matthew 15:24.

“Now I say that Jesus Christ WAS a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers.” Romans 15:8.

We emphasize WAS. Jesus Christ WAS a minister of the circumcision. It would be contrary to fact to say that Jesus Christ IS a minister of the circumcision for He is not during His present ministry.

THIRD—
CHRIST IN HIS EXALTATION.
a—“Wherefore God also hath highly exalted Him, and given Him a name which is above every name.” Philippians 2:9.

b—“But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God.” Hebrews 10:12.

c—“Who being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the Word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high.” Hebrews 1:3.

d—“Him hath God exalted with His ‘‘ right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.” Acts 5:31.

e—“Behold I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.” Acts 7:56.

f—“Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an High Priest, Who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens.” Hebrews 8:1.

g—“And what is the exceeding greatness of His power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of His mighty power. Which He wrought in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead, and set Him at His own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be the Head over all things to the Church, Which is His Body, the fulness of Him that filleth all in all.” Ephesians 1:19 to 23.

After Christ had died and abolished death, He showed Himself alive by many infallible proofs. He said to His disciples “Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see Me have.” Luke 24:39.

Stephen recognized Christ as the Son of man standing in heaven. When Christ called Saul of Tarsus He said, “I am Jesus.” Acts 9:5.

The ministry of Christ, in Acts 5:31, seemed to be different from His ministry in Ephesians 1:21 to 23.

“HIM HATH GOD EXALTED WITH HIS RIGHT HAND TO BE A PRINCE AND A SAVIOUR, FOR TO GIVE REPENTANCE TO ISRAEL, AND FORGIVENESS OF SINS.” Acts 5:31.

“FAR ABOVE ALL PRINCIPALITY, AND POWER, AND MIGHT, AND DOMINION, AND EVERY NAME THAT IS NAMED, NOT ONLY IN THIS WORLD, BUT ALSO IN THAT WHICH IS TO COME; AND HATH PUT ALL THINGS UNDER HIS FEET, AND GAVE HIM TO BE THE HEAD OVER ALL THINGS TO THE CHURCH, WHICH IS HIS BODY, THE FULNESS OF HIM THAT FILLETH ALL IN ALL.” Ephesians 1:21 to 23.

Before Christ’s incarnation He was in the Father’s bosom, a Spirit. Now He is on the Father’s throne, at the right hand of His Majesty, the Man Christ Jesus.

We must note these differences when we say “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever.”

FOURTH—
CHRIST THE COMING KING.
“For unto us a child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder; and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting. Father, The Prince of Peace. of the increase of His government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.” Isaiah 9:6 and 7.

“When the Son of man shall come in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory.” Matthew 25:31.

“And the Lord shall be King over all the earth; in that day shall there be one Lord, and His name One.” Zechariah 14:9.

“And David My servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd; they shall also walk in My judgments, and observe My statutes, and do them.” Ezekiel 37:24.

“For I say unto you, Ye shall not see Me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is He that cometh in the name of the Lord.” Matthew 23:39.

“And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” Matthew 19:28.

Not being facetious.
Johann.
 
Rockson said:
Heb 7: 25, Acts 22: 23 and Phil 2 9 does use the word exalted though.

Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, Phil 2:9

Seeing we know that Jesus is God why did he need to have a name above every name given to him? It seems to me that he did so because he the Father was still talking to the humanity of Jesus, the Son of Man who fulfilled the law upon the earth and who was obedient unto the death. So I don't know why you couldn't consider Jesus the exalted MAN.
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If I could give you 300 hearts-I would have done so-the MAN Christ Jesus.
 

The bible is clear and the NT writers under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit declare Christ is Yahweh of the OT.
At least 26 vss. support that.

Here are twenty six (26) passages from the O.T. which refer to יהוה/YHWH, paired with verses in the N.T. which identify Jesus as יהוה/YHWH

[1] Isa 40:3 ¶ The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD [יהוה], make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

N.T. reference.
Matt 3:3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. [Mk 1:3, Lk 3:4, John 1:23]

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[2] Ps 8:1 ¶ <<To the chief Musician upon Gittith, A Psalm of David.>> O LORD [יהוה] our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens.
2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger.

N.T. reference.
Matt 21:15 And when the chief priests and scribes saw the wonderful things that he did, and the children crying in the temple, and saying, Hosanna to the Son of David; they were sore displeased,
16 And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise?
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[3] Ps 68:18 You have ascended on high; you have carried away captives; you have taken gifts in the form of men, Yes, even the stubborn ones, to reside among them, O Jah God." ("Jah" is an abbreviated form of the name Jehovah.)

N.T. reference.
Eph 4:7-10: "Now to each one of us undeserved kindness was given according to how the Christ measured out the free gift. Wherefore he says: 'When he ascended on high he carried away captives; he gave gifts in men.' Now the expression 'he ascended,' what does it mean but that he also descended into the lower regions, that is, the earth? The very one that descended is also the one that ascended far above all the heavens, that he might give fulness to all things."

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[4] Mal 3:1 ¶ Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD [יהוה ] of hosts.

N.T. reference.
Luk 1:76 And thou, child, [John] shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord [Jesus] to prepare his ways;

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[5] Isa 10:33 Behold, the Lord, the LORD [יהוה] of hosts, shall lop the bough with terror: and the high ones of stature shall be hewn down, and the haughty shall be humbled.

N.T. reference.
Rom 9:28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.
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[6] Isa 49:23 And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and their queens thy nursing mothers: they shall bow down to thee with their face toward the earth, and lick up the dust of thy feet; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD [יהוה]: for they shall not be ashamed that wait for me.

N.T. reference.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him [the Lord Jesus vs. 9] shall not be ashamed.

1 Pet 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
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[7] Joel 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD [יהוה] shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD [יהוה] hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD [יהוה] shall call.

N.T. reference.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord [Jesus vs. 9] shall be saved.
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[8] Isa 45:23 I [יהוה vs. 21, 24] have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

N.T. reference.
Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, [Christ, vs. 10] every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Philip 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

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[9] Jer 9:24 But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD [יהוה] which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth:for in these things I delight, saith the LORD [יהוה] .

N.T. reference.
1 Cor 1:31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord. [Christ, vs. 30]
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[10] Num 16:5 And he spake unto Korah and unto all his company, saying, Even to morrow the LORD [יהוה] will shew who are his, and who is holy; and will cause him to come near unto him: even him whom he hath chosen will he cause to come near unto him.

N.T. reference.
2 Tim 2:19 ¶ Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
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[11] Ps 130:8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.

N.T. reference.
Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
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[12] Ps 97:7 Confounded be all they that serve graven images, that boast themselves of idols: worship him, all ye gods.

N.T. reference.
Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
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[13] Ps 45:6 ¶ Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.

N.T. reference.
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
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[14] Ps 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.
26 They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:
27 But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end

[15] Isa 51:6 Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation [ישׁועה] /Yeshuah] shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished.

N.T. reference.
Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, [[Jesus/ישׁוע] /Yeshua, vss. 2, 5, 8, 9] in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
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[16] Ps 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD [יהוה] is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.

N.T. reference.
1 Pet 2:3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
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[17] Isa 8:13 Sanctify the LORD [יהוה] of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.

N.T. reference.
1 Pet 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: [Christ, vs. 16]
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[18] Zech 12:10 And I [יהוה] will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me [יהוה] whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

N.T. reference.
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
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[19] Jer 17:10 I the LORD [יהוה] search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

N.T. reference.
Rev 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
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[20] Ps 62:12 Also unto thee, O Lord, belongeth mercy: for thou renderest to every man according to his work.

[21] Isa 40:10 Behold, the Lord GOD [יהוה] will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.

[22]Isa 41:4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, [יהוה] the first, and with the last; I am he.

[23]Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD [יהוה] the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD [יהוה] of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

[24]Isa 48:12 Hearken unto me [יהוה] O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

[25] Isa 62:11 Behold, the LORD [יהוה] hath proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold, thy salvation [ישועה/Yeshuah] cometh; behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.

N.T. reference.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, (Isa 40:10, 62:11), to give every man according as his work (Ps 62:12, 34:8) shall be.
13 I [Jesus/ישוע/Yeshua] am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. (Isa 41:4, 44:6, 48:12)
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[26] Isa 6:1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. . .
10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

N.T. reference.
Joh 12:39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. (Is 6:10)
41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him. (Isa 6:1)
 
Johann said:
In what form is Messiah-our High Priest-in heaven right now? Was He a Man on earth?

Part 6: Jesus Christ the Same
by Pastor J. C. O'Hair




What meaneth this statement?

“Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and for ever.” Hebrews 13:8. Jesus Christ is mentioned, in the New Testament Scriptures, by noun and pronoun more than 6,900 times.

Let us behold Christ before His incarnation, during His incarnation, His present exaltation, and His future glory on earth.

FIRST—
BEFORE HIS INCARNATION
a—He was in the bosom of the Father. John 1:18.

b—He was in the form of God. Philippians 2:6.

c—He was with God and was God. John 1:1.

d—He was before all things and by Him all things consist. Colossians 1:15 to 18.

e—He had glory with the Father before the world was. John 17:5.

God is a Spirit. But God has a form. Christ was in. the form of God when He was in the bosom of the Father.

SECOND—
THE WORD BECAME FLESH. JOHN 1:14.
a—He took upon Himself the form of a servant. Philippians 2:6 and 7.

b—He was made in the likeness of sinful flesh. Romans 8:3.

c—He was made lower than the angels for the suffering of death. Hebrews 2:9.

d—He took on Him the Seed of Abraham. Hebrews 2:16.

e—Made like unto His brethren that He might be a merciful and faithful high priest to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. Hebrews 2:17.

f—Made flesh and blood to destroy Satan’s death power, by death. Hebrews 2:14.

g—The Son of God was manifested that He might destroy the works of the devil. I John 3:8.

h—He came down from heaven to do His Father’s will and give His flesh for the life of the world. John 6:38 and 51.

i—Christ was the brightness of God’s glory and the express image of God’s person. Hebrews 1:3.

j—Christ was the Son of David the Son of Abraham. Matthew 1:1.

k—He was the King of Israel. John 1:49.

When Christ was on earth He said, “before Abraham was I AM”. John 8:58. “Father, Thou lovedst Me before the foundation of the world” John 17:24.

“He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father.” John 14:9. “I and My Father are one.” John 10:30.

We have noted the Scriptures stating that Christ was made flesh to die on the cross. Hebrews 2:9. Note His own words “The Son of man goeth as it is written of Him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! It had been good for that man if he had not been born.” Matthew 26:24.

But in Luke 1:29 to 33 and 1:67 to 77 we learn that Christ was born in the city of David, in the house of David, of the Seed of David, to occupy the throne of David, to reign over the house of Jacob forever. So Jesus Christ was born to go to the cross of Calvary and to go to the throne of David. “Where is He that is born Sing of the Jews?” Matthew 2:2.

Now read these several statements:

“When the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth His Son, made of a woman, made under the law.” Galatians 4:4.

“Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by Him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know.” Acts 2:22.

“He answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” Matthew 15:24.

“Now I say that Jesus Christ WAS a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers.” Romans 15:8.

We emphasize WAS. Jesus Christ WAS a minister of the circumcision. It would be contrary to fact to say that Jesus Christ IS a minister of the circumcision for He is not during His present ministry.

THIRD—
CHRIST IN HIS EXALTATION.
a—“Wherefore God also hath highly exalted Him, and given Him a name which is above every name.” Philippians 2:9.

b—“But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God.” Hebrews 10:12.

c—“Who being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the Word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high.” Hebrews 1:3.

d—“Him hath God exalted with His ‘‘ right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.” Acts 5:31.

e—“Behold I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.” Acts 7:56.

f—“Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an High Priest, Who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens.” Hebrews 8:1.

g—“And what is the exceeding greatness of His power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of His mighty power. Which He wrought in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead, and set Him at His own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be the Head over all things to the Church, Which is His Body, the fulness of Him that filleth all in all.” Ephesians 1:19 to 23.

After Christ had died and abolished death, He showed Himself alive by many infallible proofs. He said to His disciples “Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see Me have.” Luke 24:39.

Stephen recognized Christ as the Son of man standing in heaven. When Christ called Saul of Tarsus He said, “I am Jesus.” Acts 9:5.

The ministry of Christ, in Acts 5:31, seemed to be different from His ministry in Ephesians 1:21 to 23.

“HIM HATH GOD EXALTED WITH HIS RIGHT HAND TO BE A PRINCE AND A SAVIOUR, FOR TO GIVE REPENTANCE TO ISRAEL, AND FORGIVENESS OF SINS.” Acts 5:31.

“FAR ABOVE ALL PRINCIPALITY, AND POWER, AND MIGHT, AND DOMINION, AND EVERY NAME THAT IS NAMED, NOT ONLY IN THIS WORLD, BUT ALSO IN THAT WHICH IS TO COME; AND HATH PUT ALL THINGS UNDER HIS FEET, AND GAVE HIM TO BE THE HEAD OVER ALL THINGS TO THE CHURCH, WHICH IS HIS BODY, THE FULNESS OF HIM THAT FILLETH ALL IN ALL.” Ephesians 1:21 to 23.

Before Christ’s incarnation He was in the Father’s bosom, a Spirit. Now He is on the Father’s throne, at the right hand of His Majesty, the Man Christ Jesus.

We must note these differences when we say “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever.”

FOURTH—
CHRIST THE COMING KING.
“For unto us a child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder; and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting. Father, The Prince of Peace. of the increase of His government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.” Isaiah 9:6 and 7.

“When the Son of man shall come in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory.” Matthew 25:31.

“And the Lord shall be King over all the earth; in that day shall there be one Lord, and His name One.” Zechariah 14:9.

“And David My servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd; they shall also walk in My judgments, and observe My statutes, and do them.” Ezekiel 37:24.

“For I say unto you, Ye shall not see Me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is He that cometh in the name of the Lord.” Matthew 23:39.

“And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” Matthew 19:28.

Not being facetious.
Johann.
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will answer some of your set of statements now, And then over time try to step thu more f your writing,. Normally I won't read such long posts because i find that so much of it is not relevant to the specific topic..
Yesterday, today and forever refers ro Jesus as God. He never stopped. But "yesterday" He was not a man, neither is He a man forever.
He was for a litle while lower than the angets like all men are, but it was jusr for a little while.
more later
 
sethproton said:
will answer some of your set of statements now, And then over time try to step thu more f your writing,. Normally I won't read such long posts because i find that so much of it is not relevant to the specific topic..
Yesterday, today and forever refers ro Jesus as God. He never stopped. But "yesterday" He was not a man, neither is He a man forever.
He was for a litle while lower than the angets like all men are, but it was jusr for a little while.
more later
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the man Christ Jesus -- He is fully human and fully God, and thus able to reconcile God and humanity (see 1Co_8:6; Eph_4:5-6).

The absence of the definite article before Man in the Greek suggests the better translation, “Christ Jesus, Himself a man.” Only the perfect God-Man could bring God and man together. Cf. Job_9:32-33.

anthrōpos|G444|N-NMS|[the] man Χριστὸς Christos|G5547|N-NMS|Christ Ἰησοῦς, Iēsous|G2424|N-NMS|Jesus, --

As we can see-no Definite Article before "Man"--Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular and the only occurrence of this in Scripture.

Various people groups do not each have their own gods, though they may imagine they do; all must come to the one true God for salvation. This means that Jesus, God’s incarnate Son, is the one and only mediator, the only way to salvation (cf. Act_4:12).

Four arguments for universal prayer to the One True God -- 1Ti_2:5-6
1) One God for all men
2) One mediator for all men
3) Availability of ransom for all men - 1Ti_2:6
4) Paul's commission to the Gentiles - cf 1Ti_2:7

Thanks @sethproton
 
Bob Carabbio said:
Since we'll BE LIKE HIM when we see Him as He is (1 John 3:2), then obviously Jesus in some way CONTINUES his humanity in 2024.
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Correct-

Denying Christ is Man

Heresies that deny Christ’s humanity are not popular today, though you can still see them float around if you wait long enough. For example, Jehovah Witnesses’ teach that Jesus’ resurrection was not in a real body which would be a denial of his full humanity.

An ancient heresy called Docetism said that Jesus was God, but that he only appeared to be a man. Apollinarian heresy said that he had a human body, but a divine soul. Since a man is made of both body and soul, not having the soul of a man makes him an incomplete man.

Errors in this area most often arise from the tendency to protect his deity, or a misunderstanding of what it means to be a man (e.g. thinking being a man requires sin). All of these heresies teach a different Christ than what is found when all scripture is considered.

Jesus was fully and completely man in order to die for humanity, and to quicken any man to his image in salvation after death. He was in all ways like we are, human, yet without sin (Heb 4:15).

J.
 

Johann said:
In what form is Messiah-our High Priest-in heaven right now? Was He a Man on earth?

Part 6: Jesus Christ the Same
by Pastor J. C. O'Hair




What meaneth this statement?

“Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and for ever.” Hebrews 13:8. Jesus Christ is mentioned, in the New Testament Scriptures, by noun and pronoun more than 6,900 times.

Let us behold Christ before His incarnation, during His incarnation, His present exaltation, and His future glory on earth.

FIRST—
BEFORE HIS INCARNATION
a—He was in the bosom of the Father. John 1:18.

b—He was in the form of God. Philippians 2:6.

c—He was with God and was God. John 1:1.

d—He was before all things and by Him all things consist. Colossians 1:15 to 18.

e—He had glory with the Father before the world was. John 17:5.

God is a Spirit. But God has a form. Christ was in. the form of God when He was in the bosom of the Father.

SECOND—
THE WORD BECAME FLESH. JOHN 1:14.
a—He took upon Himself the form of a servant. Philippians 2:6 and 7.

b—He was made in the likeness of sinful flesh. Romans 8:3.

c—He was made lower than the angels for the suffering of death. Hebrews 2:9.

d—He took on Him the Seed of Abraham. Hebrews 2:16.

e—Made like unto His brethren that He might be a merciful and faithful high priest to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. Hebrews 2:17.

f—Made flesh and blood to destroy Satan’s death power, by death. Hebrews 2:14.

g—The Son of God was manifested that He might destroy the works of the devil. I John 3:8.

h—He came down from heaven to do His Father’s will and give His flesh for the life of the world. John 6:38 and 51.

i—Christ was the brightness of God’s glory and the express image of God’s person. Hebrews 1:3.

j—Christ was the Son of David the Son of Abraham. Matthew 1:1.

k—He was the King of Israel. John 1:49.

When Christ was on earth He said, “before Abraham was I AM”. John 8:58. “Father, Thou lovedst Me before the foundation of the world” John 17:24.

“He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father.” John 14:9. “I and My Father are one.” John 10:30.

We have noted the Scriptures stating that Christ was made flesh to die on the cross. Hebrews 2:9. Note His own words “The Son of man goeth as it is written of Him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! It had been good for that man if he had not been born.” Matthew 26:24.

But in Luke 1:29 to 33 and 1:67 to 77 we learn that Christ was born in the city of David, in the house of David, of the Seed of David, to occupy the throne of David, to reign over the house of Jacob forever. So Jesus Christ was born to go to the cross of Calvary and to go to the throne of David. “Where is He that is born Sing of the Jews?” Matthew 2:2.

Now read these several statements:

“When the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth His Son, made of a woman, made under the law.” Galatians 4:4.

“Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by Him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know.” Acts 2:22.

“He answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” Matthew 15:24.

“Now I say that Jesus Christ WAS a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers.” Romans 15:8.

We emphasize WAS. Jesus Christ WAS a minister of the circumcision. It would be contrary to fact to say that Jesus Christ IS a minister of the circumcision for He is not during His present ministry.

THIRD—
CHRIST IN HIS EXALTATION.
a—“Wherefore God also hath highly exalted Him, and given Him a name which is above every name.” Philippians 2:9.

b—“But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God.” Hebrews 10:12.

c—“Who being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the Word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high.” Hebrews 1:3.

d—“Him hath God exalted with His ‘‘ right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.” Acts 5:31.

e—“Behold I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.” Acts 7:56.

f—“Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an High Priest, Who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens.” Hebrews 8:1.

g—“And what is the exceeding greatness of His power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of His mighty power. Which He wrought in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead, and set Him at His own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be the Head over all things to the Church, Which is His Body, the fulness of Him that filleth all in all.” Ephesians 1:19 to 23.

After Christ had died and abolished death, He showed Himself alive by many infallible proofs. He said to His disciples “Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see Me have.” Luke 24:39.

Stephen recognized Christ as the Son of man standing in heaven. When Christ called Saul of Tarsus He said, “I am Jesus.” Acts 9:5.

The ministry of Christ, in Acts 5:31, seemed to be different from His ministry in Ephesians 1:21 to 23.

“HIM HATH GOD EXALTED WITH HIS RIGHT HAND TO BE A PRINCE AND A SAVIOUR, FOR TO GIVE REPENTANCE TO ISRAEL, AND FORGIVENESS OF SINS.” Acts 5:31.

“FAR ABOVE ALL PRINCIPALITY, AND POWER, AND MIGHT, AND DOMINION, AND EVERY NAME THAT IS NAMED, NOT ONLY IN THIS WORLD, BUT ALSO IN THAT WHICH IS TO COME; AND HATH PUT ALL THINGS UNDER HIS FEET, AND GAVE HIM TO BE THE HEAD OVER ALL THINGS TO THE CHURCH, WHICH IS HIS BODY, THE FULNESS OF HIM THAT FILLETH ALL IN ALL.” Ephesians 1:21 to 23.

Before Christ’s incarnation He was in the Father’s bosom, a Spirit. Now He is on the Father’s throne, at the right hand of His Majesty, the Man Christ Jesus.

We must note these differences when we say “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever.”

FOURTH—
CHRIST THE COMING KING.
“For unto us a child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder; and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting. Father, The Prince of Peace. of the increase of His government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.” Isaiah 9:6 and 7.

“When the Son of man shall come in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory.” Matthew 25:31.

“And the Lord shall be King over all the earth; in that day shall there be one Lord, and His name One.” Zechariah 14:9.

“And David My servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd; they shall also walk in My judgments, and observe My statutes, and do them.” Ezekiel 37:24.

“For I say unto you, Ye shall not see Me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is He that cometh in the name of the Lord.” Matthew 23:39.

“And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” Matthew 19:28.

Not being facetious.
Johann.
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as i looked thru this, i did not see anything saying that Jesus Christ is currently a man in Heaven, a flesh and bone entity.
But if you hhave 1 to 3 verses in which you read that Jesus is a human man in heaven, I will discuss those with you
 

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