sethproton
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John had already seen the resurrected Christ as well as Christ ascending, Yet he cliams he has not yet seen Jesus as He is.
What does that mean to you
Did Jesus Shed His Humanity at the Ascension?
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What does that mean to you
sethproton
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Johann
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I plucked this from Got Questions to save me some time since it is very late here in South Africa brother.
According to Mark 16:19 and 1 Peter 3:22, Jesus is in heaven right now at the right hand of God the Father. Luke 24:51 and Acts 1:9-11 describe the bodily ascension of Jesus, which occurred 40 days after His resurrection. Jesus had told His disciples that He was going to prepare a place for them and for all believers (John 14:2–3).
It is plain from Scripture that Jesus’ ascension was a literal and bodily return to heaven. He rose up from the ground gradually and was received into a cloud while His disciples and other astonished onlookers gazed in wonder. Then two angels appeared and promised Christ’s return “in just the same way that you have watched Him go” (Acts 1:11). This marked the end of the human limitations Jesus had during His earthly ministry. Some of the attributes He possessed as God had been temporarily suspended, but now the suspension was over. His heavenly glory returned—a glimpse of which was seen at the Transfiguration (Matthew 17:1–9).
King David said in the Spirit, “The LORD says to my lord: ‘Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet’” (Psalm 110:1). This verse literally says, “Yahweh says to Adonai.” This is a remarkable conversation between two Persons of the Godhead. In Matthew 22:43–45, Jesus applies this psalm to Himself, claiming that He is more than the son of David, but that He is David’s Lord. Jesus’ place is at the right hand of God, the place of divine honor.
Other passages that indicate Jesus’ presence in heaven are Matthew 26:64; Luke 22:69; Ephesians 1:20; Colossians 3:1; Hebrews 12:2; and Revelation 5:7. Also Stephen, just before he died, had a vision in which he “looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God” (Acts 7:55).
So, biblically, Jesus is in an actual place called heaven, a place of glory where God dwells with His angels and redeemed children. In another sense, Jesus is also with us here, in this world. Jesus, being God, has all of the attributes of God, including omnipresence. So, Jesus and the Father and the Holy Spirit are everywhere and not just “in heaven.” As Solomon said in 2 Chronicles 2:6, “The heavens, even the highest heavens, cannot contain him.”
God bless
Johann.
sethproton
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another way to see this verse is that we are transformed to become like what He became in the resurrection and we see evidence of the kind of body He had post resurrection. For instance, He did not look the same twice, nobody recognized Him on sight or by hearing His voice?
sethproton
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bodily ascension Can you locate that phrase in the Word.
sethproton
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sethproton
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i am good. i had goten sick but am sill getting better
sethproton
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this is not 1 to 3 verses
Diserner
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Good point!
Johann
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I beg your pardon? How was Messiah raised-NOT in bodily form??! Not ascended in a bodily manner??
John's Gospel has three references to ascension in Jesus' own words: "No one has ascended into heaven but he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man" (John 3:13); "What if you [the disciples] were to see the Son of Man ascending where he was before?" (John 6:62); and to Mary Magdalene after his resurrection, "Do not ...
John 7:33
Verse Concepts
Therefore Jesus said, “For a little while longer I am with you, then I go to Him who sent Me.
John 16:28
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I came forth from the Father and have come into the world; I am leaving the world again and going to the Father.”
John 20:17
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Jesus *said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’”
John 14:2
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In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:12
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Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father.
Mark 16:19
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So then, when the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God.
Luke 24:51
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While He was blessing them, He parted from them and was carried up into heaven.
Acts 1:9
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And after He had said these things, He was lifted up while they were looking on, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.
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Jesus Christ, Ascension Of » As the forerunner of his people
Jesus Christ, Ascension Of » Was triumphant
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Shalom
Diserner
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sethproton
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Diserner
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Do you think regular humans turn into something non-human?
I forget your position on that.
Johann
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Brother-let's forbear this discussion-I told you it's late here in SA-01.16 AM-did you take notice of that? You probably just woke up-sprightly.
Jn 4:1 Chaverim, do not believe every ruach. [YIRMEYAH 29:8] But test the ruchot (spirits), if they be of Hashem, because many nevi'ei sheker have gone out into the Olam Hazeh.
1Jn 4:2 By this we have da'as of the Ruach Hakodesh of Hashem: every ruach which makes hoda'ah (confession) of Yehoshua, Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach as having come in the basar is of Hashem,
1Jn 4:3 And every ruach which does not make hoda'ah of Yehoshua is not of Hashem. And this is the ruach of the Anti-Moshiach, which you have heard that it is coming; and now it already is in the Olam Hazeh.
See- you cause me to speak in glossalia now-no offense.
Johann
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Something is wrong here brother-I just sense it.
1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1Jn 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1Jn 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1Jn 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
Shalom.
J.
sethproton
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yes Christ resurrected and ascended, You act a if I deny that. The actual question is Did He resurrect into a human, after having left is body behind. The bible specically states God prepared a body for Jesus wen He came to be a man for a little while. But it was temporary. You ask how was He not raised physically? That is not the same as quoting where the Bible teaches that happened. Again: where is bodily resurrection.I beg your pardon? How was Messiah raised-NOT in bodily form??! Not ascended in a bodily manner??
John's Gospel has three references to ascension in Jesus' own words: "No one has ascended into heaven but he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man" (John 3:13); "What if you [the disciples] were to see the Son of Man ascending where he was before?" (John 6:62); and to Mary Magdalene after his resurrection, "Do not ...
John 7:33
Verse Concepts
Therefore Jesus said, “For a little while longer I am with you, then I go to Him who sent Me.
John 16:28
Verse Concepts
I came forth from the Father and have come into the world; I am leaving the world again and going to the Father.”
John 20:17
Verse Concepts
Jesus *said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’”
John 14:2
Verse Concepts
In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:12
Verse Concepts
Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father.
Mark 16:19
Verse Concepts
So then, when the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God.
Luke 24:51
Verse Concepts
While He was blessing them, He parted from them and was carried up into heaven.
Acts 1:9
Verse Concepts
And after He had said these things, He was lifted up while they were looking on, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.
From Thematic Bible
Jesus Christ, Ascension Of » Typified
Jesus Christ, Ascension Of » Foretold by himself
Jesus Christ, Ascension Of » Was to supreme power and dignity
Jesus Christ, Ascension Of » To receive gifts for men
Jesus Christ, Ascension Of » Prophecies respecting
Jesus Christ, Ascension Of » From mount olivet
Jesus Christ, Ascension Of » When he had atoned for sin
Jesus Christ, Ascension Of » To intercede
Jesus Christ, Ascension Of » To send the holy ghost
Jesus Christ, Ascension Of » His second coming shall be in like manner as
Jesus Christ, Ascension Of » As the forerunner of his people
Jesus Christ, Ascension Of » Was triumphant
Jesus Christ, Ascension Of » While blessing his disciples
Jesus Christ, Ascension Of » To prepare a place for his people
Jesus Christ, Ascension Of » Forty days after his resurrection
Jesus Christ, Ascension Of » Described
Great » Joy, occasions of » Jesus Christ, Ascension Of
Joy » Great joy, occasions of » Jesus Christ, Ascension Of
8 Bible verses about Jesus Christ, Ascension Of
A topical Bible which shows the most relevant Bible verse for each topic
Shalom
I have asked that you show me in 1 to 3 vrses, but you are unable to do that so you create a post eith all kinds of Biblical ideas instead of teh one I asked for.
sethproton
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ok, maybe another day
civic
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Good to hear you are doing better !!!
Johann
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Time out-to me this is not a logical discussion.
J.
