Did Jesus Shed His Humanity at the Ascension?

What makes u think it is your business what council I receive. This is not about me. but about ideas.
We can discuss John 2:19+21

The first temple of the body is flesh verse 19. the second means what His Spirit will dwell in after death
Somewhere after leaving His body at the crosss and reopening the tomb. he experinced the resurection and that new body,
when the Tomb opened the flesh body was gone,
Elsewhere the Bible explains that that body of flesh is discarded and exchanged with a new one made in Heaven.
You made that up with that 2 different body theory .

He said He would raise His own physical human body after it was in the grave for 3 days. Please get your biblical facts straight. You once again read your own subjective idea into John 2.Here is what Jesus actually said nit waft you claimed .

Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”

John 2:20 They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” 21 But the temple he had spoken of was his body. 22 After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.

cf the same exact language with body and temple.

@sethproton do you have a body ? Is your body a temple of the Holy Spirit ? Yes or no

1 Corinthians 6:19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
 
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Now the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, John 20 : 1

So why do you even think while it was still dark is even put in there? Perhaps for you and a very few that hold your position? One thing God wanted to make perfectly clear and that it was NOT CLEAR to Mary who she was seeing? And why? Because it was dark. Even with trials in court one thing that is always considered is was it dark? That goes to say one might not recognize who someone is so their testimony where they claim they did is set aside.

And we already dealt with your other concerns. And the scripture already said, Jesus said thrust your hand into my side. (the wound in his side) Now you asked for an actual scripture which says, "This is my body" like he did at the Last Supper (before his death and resurrection) OK here it is. It's saying the same basic thing,

"......and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, “Peace to you!” Then He said to Thomas, “Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.” Jn 20:26

So you wanted a verse which said MY BODY? So what's wrong with the above? My hands and my side he said. And consider this. Thomas by having said he won't believe unless he feels the wounds one could say that would mean he wouldn't believe even if it's someone who looked like Jesus. NO I WANT TO SEE THE WOUNDS and SEE THEM AND FEEL THEM!

Well Seth he got his wish. He concluded this WAS the same body of Jesus who hung on the cross...THAT'S HIM....but it seems you would even still doubt it was his genuine body. So Jesus said to Thomas, "Be not faithless but believing" And Thomas surrendered to believing it was his body. But you still wouldn't? So what would the Lord therefore say to you?
If a person were to read your post side by side with the scripture references there could be no other conclusion from the evidence Jesus was resurrected with His real human body, the same one that was in the tomb from 3 days as promised would be raised immortal and glorified. His scars / marks from the crucifixion still remained on His body as proof it was really Him as prophesied by Him and the prophets.
 
What makes u think it is your business what council I receive. This is not about me. but about ideas.
We can discuss John 2:19+21

The first temple of the body is flesh verse 19. the second means what His Spirit will dwell in after death
Somewhere after leaving His body at the crosss and reopening the tomb. he experinced the resurection and that new body,
when the Tomb opened the flesh body was gone,
Elsewhere the Bible explains that that body of flesh is discarded and exchanged with a new one made in Heaven.
It is definitely about you. You are the one denying the Scriptures. You would love to avoid the impact of your false claims. Will someone else be judged for your own actions?

So you are a Jehovah Witness now. Why have you been avoiding this?

Verse 21 is very clear. He said He would raise the body they attacked. You're making false claims without a shred of evidence to support your claim. Who should we believe. The Scripture or your elder?
 
He said He would raise His own physical human body after it was in the grave for 3 days. Please get your biblical facts straight. You once again read your own subjective idea into John 2.Here is what Jesus actually said nit waft you claimed .

Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”
And lets add on here the next lines too,

Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”But He was speaking of the temple of His body.
John 2: 19,21


So to Seth....you've just got to give up your way of thinking you have about this....you've just got to.
 
And lets add on here the next lines too,

Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”But He was speaking of the temple of His body.
John 2: 19,21


So to Seth....you've just got to give up your way of thinking you have about this....you've just got to.
It either happened exactly as Jesus said it would and did happen or the alternative is Jesus lied. There are no other options .

1- He rose from the dead bodily with the crucifixion marks in His real body that was in the tomb and Resurrected as He promised

2- Jesus lied and was not raised back to life as the son of man.

There is only 2 possibilities Jesus told the truth or He lied.
 
What makes u think it is your business what council I receive. This is not about me. but about ideas.
We can discuss John 2:19+21

The first temple of the body is flesh verse 19. the second means what His Spirit will dwell in after death
Somewhere after leaving His body at the crosss and reopening the tomb. he experinced the resurection and that new body,
when the Tomb opened the flesh body was gone,
Elsewhere the Bible explains that that body of flesh is discarded and exchanged with a new one made in Heaven.

You made that up with that 2 different body theory .

He said He would raise His own physical human body after it was in the grave for 3 days. Please get your biblical facts straight. You once again read your own subjective idea into John 2.Here is what Jesus actually said nit waft you claimed .

Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”

John 2:20 They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” 21 But the temple he had spoken of was his body. 22 After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.

cf the same exact language with body and temple.

@sethproton do you have a body ? Is your body a temple of the Holy Spirit ? Yes or no

1 Corinthians 6:19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
please read 2 cor 5:1 For we know that when this earthly tent we live in is taken down (that is, when we die and leave this earthly body), we will have a house in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself and not by human hands.

what happens to the first body, wat about the second?
 
please read 2 cor 5:1 For we know that when this earthly tent we live in is taken down (that is, when we die and leave this earthly body), we will have a house in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself and not by human hands.

what happens to the first body, wat about the second?
It gets resurrected just like Job said in 19:26.

Though my body rots / decays yet in my FLESH I will see God. Our heavenly body will be real flesh like Jesus resurrection body is real flesh.
 
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And lets add on here the next lines too,

Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”But He was speaking of the temple of His body.
John 2: 19,21


So to Seth....you've just got to give up your way of thinking you have about this....you've just got to.
Rockson I appreciate the friendly attitude. look at 2 Cor:5:1 For we know that when this earthly tent we live in is taken down (that is, when we die and leave this earthly body), we will have a house in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself and not by human hands.
Two bodies, two conclusions
 
please read 2 cor 5:1 For we know that when this earthly tent we live in is taken down (that is, when we die and leave this earthly body), we will have a house in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself and not by human hands.

what happens to the first body, wat about the second?
We bury the dead in hope of the resurrection. Within our bodies remains a seed. That is why Paul talked about it being sown and raised. Corruption putting on incorruption.

However, you can't apply this to Christ. His body was not sown in corruption.
 
Rockson I appreciate the friendly attitude. look at 2 Cor:5:1 For we know that when this earthly tent we live in is taken down (that is, when we die and leave this earthly body), we will have a house in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself and not by human hands.
Two bodies, two conclusions
That is the attitude you have toward anyone when you initially engage them. You soon change. It is a dishonest tactic from you. You seek to blame others that engage you with poor attitudes when it is you that has a poor attitude.
 
We bury the dead in hope of the resurrection. Within our bodies remains a seed. That is why Paul talked about it being sown and raised. Corruption putting on incorruption.

However, you can't apply this to Christ. His body was not sown in corruption.
Ditto
 
We bury the dead in hope of the resurrection. Within our bodies remains a seed. That is why Paul talked about it being sown and raised. Corruption putting on incorruption.

However, you can't apply this to Christ. His body was not sown in corruption.
I have a hard time with people who do not believe in the resurrection on forums that say they are Christians.
 
And lets add on here the next lines too,

Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”Then the Jews said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”But He was speaking of the temple of His body.
John 2: 19,21


So to Seth....you've just got to give up your way of thinking you have about this....you've just got to.
Like several people have mentioned in this thread the Resurrection and the gospel go hand in hand together. There is not one without the other. Salvation is based on the resurrection of Jesus. The disciples did not believe until they saw Jesus was actually raised from the dead.
 
Like several people have mentioned in this thread the Resurrection and the gospel go hand in hand together. There is not one without the other. Salvation is based on the resurrection of Jesus. The disciples did not believe until they saw Jesus was actually raised from the dead.
You nailed it the resurrection is the heart of the gospel , it’s the centerpiece.
 
please read 2 cor 5:1 For we know that when this earthly tent we live in is taken down (that is, when we die and leave this earthly body), we will have a house in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself and not by human hands.

what happens to the first body, wat about the second?
@sethproton

I've always had something of an aversion to the "if Christianity is not true what do you lose" sort of apologetical approach—precisely because Scripture is God's word and because it is perfect in all that God reveals in it. To raise the question almost seems to inadvertently jeopardize the veracity of it. Nevertheless, that is precisely the kind of reasoning that the apostle Paul utilized in 1 Corinthians 15 after he appealed to the clear teaching of Scripture about Jesus' death and resurrection (1 Cor. 15:1-3).

What is at stake if we deny the resurrection?

Writing to a church that was in danger of allowing false teaching to creep in, the apostle tackled the issue of what was at stake if we deny the resurrection. Beginning in verse 12, Paul raises eight "ifs" (following them up with some of the weightiest of all theology) in order to explain the significance of the resurrection for the life of the believers. Consider the following eight "ifs" about the implications of denying the resurrection:

  • Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? (1 Cor. 15:12)
  • But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised....For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. (1 Cor. 15:13, 16)
  • And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. (1 Cor. 15:14)
  • We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised. (1 Cor. 15:15)
  • And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. (1 Cor. 15:17-18)
  • If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied. (1 Cor. 15:19)
  • If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf? (1 Cor. 15:29)
  • If the dead are not raised, “Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die.” (1 Cor. 15:32)
According to the apostle's argument, if the resurrection never occurred one can categorize all that is lost under the following eight heads:

1. The Apostolic Message

The first thing that is lost, if we deny the resurrection, is the centrality of the death and resurrection of Jesus in the apostolic message. That is the central message of Christianity. How can some profess to be Christians and deny the central message of Christianity? The resurrection cannot be said to be a mythological or analogical story. It was an historical event that turned the world upside down. This, Paul, said—at the outset of the chapter—was an essential part of what was "of first importance." In essence, Paul is saying, "If there is no resurrection, we have nothing left to preach because our message centers on Christ having been raised from the dead."

2. A Living Redeemer

Next, the apostle heightens the argument by insinuating that if there is no resurrection from the dead, then "Christ is not risen." We not only lose the central message of Christianity if there is no resurrection—we lose the central figure of Christianity, namely, the living, reigning and returning Lord Jesus Christ.

3. The Efficacy of the Apostolic Word

As Paul proceeds with his argument, he told the Corinthians that the resurrection ensures the efficacy of the word of God. If Christ is not risen, there is no power behind the message proclaimed and there is no power in the life of those who receive the preaching of the Gospel. Paul uses a form of the word κενος in verses 10, 14 and 58 in order to bolster this argument. He tells his readers in verse 10, God's "grace to me was not in vain." Then in verse 58 he reminds them that the resurrection of Christ ensures that “in the Lord your labor is not in vain.” Couched in between these bookends, Paul emphasizes that if Christ is not risen then his preaching and their faith is in vain (i.e. empty and powerless).

4. Apostolic Trustworthiness

Moving on to another aspect of the resurrection, Paul explains that if Christ is not risen from the dead then he and the other apostles are false witnesses. He goes so far as to say that they would then be "misrepresenting God" because they "testified about God." There is an inseparability between the apostolic testimony and the testimony of God. Not only would the apostles be found untrustworthy—God would be found to be untrustworthy. The resurrection of Jesus secures the covenant faithfulness and absolute trustworthiness of God and his appointed witnesses.

5. The Forgiveness of Sins

Perhaps the greatest of Paul's arguments is that which he sets out in verses 17-18. If Jesus is not raised, then no one has their sins forgiven. The logical implication of this is that those who have professed faith in Christ but who have already died have perished because they would not have had their sins forgiven. The forgiveness of sin is the greatest of all needs that we have. If Jesus was not raised from the dead, then we would have to conclude that his sacrifice was insufficient to atone for the sins of God's people and propitiate the wrath of God that we deserve for our sin.

The writer to the Hebrews captures the connection between the atonement and the resurrection so well when he writes, “the God of peace who brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus…by the blood of the eternal covenant” (Heb. 13:20). The blood of Jesus is the efficacious cause of the resurrection. The resurrection of Jesus is the validation that his blood was sufficient to atone for the sins of his people.

6. An Everlasting Hope

The apostle began to introduce the idea of eternal hope when he claimed that those who have "fallen asleep in Christ" have perished if he has not been raised from the dead. Now, Paul shows another side. He focuses on the hope that believers have in this life. He speaks of this hope elsewhere, when, speaking of the death of beloved Christians, he tells believers that we do not sorrow "as others do who have no hope" (1 Thess. 4:13).

7. Union with Christ

Everything in 1 Corinthians 15 centers on the believer's union with Christ in his death and resurrection. Our resurrection from the dead is guaranteed on the basis of our faith-union with Christ. When the apostle asks the incredibly confusing question, "Why then are they baptized for the dead, if the dead do not rise," he appears to be speaking of the union that believers have with Christ (represented by their baptism into Christ). If this is correct, the argument would run thus: "If the dead do not rise—and Christ then belongs in the category of the dead—why then are you baptized into union with the dead?"

8. Joy in Tribulation

Finally, Paul argues that if there is no resurrection, then he and the other apostles suffered for nothing. It was joy in the truth about the risen Christ—and the hope of the resurrection of believers—that drove the apostles forward to endure all of the persecution that they bore for the sake of the Gospel and the building up of the people of God. Paul reasons that, if there is no resurrection, we should give ourselves entire to hedonistic living because that would be all there is in which to find joy in this empty, futile and passing world.

We must preserve the truth of the resurrection.

There is so much more that Paul brings forward in this chapter to show the significance and inevitable consequences of the resurrection; however, these are the explicit arguments that he puts forth to establish in the minds and hearts of believers what we lose if we do not hold firmly to the biblical truth about the resurrection from the dead. In short, we have everything to lose if we don't preserve the truth of the resurrection and everything to gain by constantly abiding in it.beautifulchristianlife.com

hope this helps !!!
 
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Rockson I appreciate the friendly attitude. look at 2 Cor:5:1 For we know that when this earthly tent we live in is taken down (that is, when we die and leave this earthly body), we will have a house in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself and not by human hands.
Two bodies, two conclusions
Do you know that God created mans body first before He became a living soul ?

Man was first a body and then came the spirit and soul- the breath of life came after the body was created. So man with out a body is a spirit only. God created man as a physical body and then the soul/spirit. Man in body, soul and spirit.

So without the body there is no man, no human, no image of God as per creation. That is the whole point of the Incarnation. Jesus can and did identify with man as a body.soul and spirit. As Scripture teaches He is presently a man and fulfills all the present offices of a man desingned by God as our High Priest, Prophet, King, Intercessor,Mediator and last but not least many yet to be fulfilled prophecies as the son of man- having the nature of man.

Genesis 2- Then the Lord God formed a man[c] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

hope this helps !!!
 
Do you know that God created mans body first before He became a living soul ?

Man was first a body and then came the spirit and soul- the breath of life came after the body was created. So man with out a body is a spirit only. God created man as a physical body and then the soul/spirit. Man in body, soul and spirit.

So without the body there is no man, no human, no image of God as per creation. That is the whole point of the Incarnation. Jesus can and did identify with man as a body.soul and spirit. As Scripture teaches He is presently a man and fulfills all the present offices of a man desingned by God as our High Priest, Prophet, King, Intercessor,Mediator and last but not least many yet to be fulfilled prophecies as the son of man- having the nature of man.

Genesis 2- Then the Lord God formed a man[c] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

hope this helps !!!
your last sentence seems to argue against the rest of your post.
It is not the body of flesh but the breath of life that becomes a living soul.
 
as far as arguing a point; the type of body that is comig may not affect anything n this life, But if would be great to understand more about His post resurrection appearances.
 
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